Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

[mkilban2]

Yeah, Loki hangs out with human preschoolers and shoves them around. Odin let him out of the dungeon on work-release so that he could travel to Midgard, sit around on beanbag chairs and sip juice boxes with the under-5 set.

Well he's gotta get his community service done somewhere!


Also, that would be an incredible one shot... Just the entire process from post avengers to having to go do that haha. I need to write someone an email!

 

[cph9fa]

Or, that's what Loki was doing during the postcredit scene...

Thor: "Midgardian younglings! Take care to watch my brother whilst we feast upon shawarma!"

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah, Loki hangs out with human preschoolers and shoves them around. Odin let him out of the dungeon on work-release so that he could travel to Midgard, sit around on beanbag chairs and sip juice boxes with the under-5 set.

moar seriouznezz plz

 

[cherokeesam]

In "Seeds", why did they use the old SHIELD logo in that school, and not the modern one?

Barring "oops" as the answer, it's likely to show the age and heritage of the academy.

I'm still curious about the *very* old SHIELD logo in the CATWS teaser trailer, that Cap and Widow see in that deserted office they're exploring. SHIELD's darker past, I'm sure.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, the more that I think about it...the more I realize that it wouldn't have been so bad if we could have gotten Phil and his team to have appeared in Thor: TDW for the Earth segments, let alone having them participate in the final battle (in terms of trying to contain some of the damage that the regular dark elves were creating), rather than seeing the likes of Darcy and her intern outwit them.

I mean, I could just picture Ward being the one to figure out how to use the floating cars to his advantage and it would have actually looked normal for him to be the one to do so.

Plus, it would have been great to see Phil and company trying to move the lifeless Thor from the ground before Malekith's ship crushed onto him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think it was necessary at all. In fact, I am glad they didn't appear in T:TDW.

 

[hopeless]

Or, that's what Loki was doing during the postcredit scene...

Thor: "Midgardian younglings! Take care to watch my brother whilst we feast upon shawarma!"

Why did I just get this vision of Thor returning to find Loki tied up and gagged looking stunned with the kindergarteners looking on acting innocent!

 

[chaseter]

I keep wanting this to be my new must watch show but it's boring as hell. I don't care about half the characters and some of this stuff feels so forced...like emotionless banging on the side...umk. It seems like they are spending more time setting up future seasons than they care about their premier season. I will give season 2 a shot but this is just the most bland tv shows on right now. Do something interesting and cull about half the cast. Hire an amazing actor as your lead villain and build from there.

 

[Pokkle]

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[The Ironstar]

A lot people have mentioning these 2,I wonder if they are right?

 

[KDM1986]

A lot people have mentioning these 2,I wonder if they are right?

I don't see a picture. What are you talking about?

 

[Xeno]

I don't think it was necessary at all. In fact, I am glad they didn't appear in T:TDW.

SHIELD was left out of the Phase 2 films because of all the whining its presence caused in Phase 1. Besides the fact that AOS's wasn't assembled until after TDW wrapped principal photography, so the actors weren't available. (Not to mention that "Little SHIELD" from TV doesn't mesh with the MCU SHIELD very well, except for Agent Coulson.)

 

[Shikamaru]

Feige said the average solo film after Phase 1 will have much less tie-ins to Avengers and will stand more on their own. That's why we haven't seen anything outside the Iron Man and Thor worlds in IM3 and Thor TDW respectively.

Personally, I'm really happy about that. I think Marvel fixed a major problem most of their Phase 1 solos had. Every film in between The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers felt like one big Avengers trailer to me, especially Iron Man 2. I give Marvel so much props for finally moving past that.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the biggest problem though...from all of this, is that the MCU has established SHIELD as an organization that pretty much monitors anything that's relevant within the MCU world.

Which is why it felt very odd that SHIELD was nowhere to be spotted when the Mandarin attacked Tony Stark and when the Mandarin abducted the President. And I have a hard time buying that they wouldn't have been able to make the connection that Tony did regarding the past explosion from that small town that had similar heat signatures to a Mandarin bombing.

Plus.... with "The Avengers", they established that Loki and his army was a big enough threat that warranted for the group to come together and stop him from conquering the Planet... Yet, when Malekith shows up with an army as well, hellbent in plunging all 9 realms within the darkness, the only excuse that they can come up with is that they couldn't contact SHIELD. Thor and company literally had an evening's worth to rally up the troops or get them notified about the situation, and yet nothing came about.

There isn't a consistency with how SHIELD is being used as of late imho.

 

[Xeno]

I think the biggest problem though...from all of this, is that the MCU has established SHIELD as an organization that pretty much monitors anything that's relevant within the MCU world.

Which is why it felt very odd that SHIELD was nowhere to be spotted when the Mandarin attacked Tony Stark and when the Mandarin abducted the President. And I have a hard time buying that they wouldn't have been able to make the connection that Tony did regarding the past explosion from that small town that had similar heat signatures to a Mandarin bombing.

Plus.... with "The Avengers", they established that Loki and his army was a big enough threat that warranted for the group to come together and stop him from conquering the Planet... Yet, when Malekith shows up with an army as well, hellbent in plunging all 9 realms within the darkness, the only excuse that they can come up with is that they couldn't contact SHIELD. Thor and company literally had an evening's worth to rally up the troops or get them notified about the situation, and yet nothing came about.

There isn't a consistency with how SHIELD is being used as of late imho.

In Iron Man 3 the US government wanted to handle the Mandarin threat on its own, with Iron Patriot taking the lead as a US-branded superhero. They didn't want SHIELD, the Avengers or even Iron Man himself involved. After the embarrassment of not being able to protect New York from the Chitauri invasion the president and his advisers wanted to have the military deal with Mandarin to prove that it was up to the task of protecting the US from threats. Rhodey explained that to Tony when they were discussing the situation in a restaurant and Tony offered to help.

The events that happened in Greenwich in TDW occurred so quickly that SHIELD didn't have time to mount a response. Malekith and his Dark Elves attacked and were dispatched very quickly. SHIELD apparently didn't detect the convergence before it happened.

There is a very good possibility that part of the reason for SHIELD's absence in IM3 and TDW is the internal turmoil it's experiencing, which will come to a head in CATWS. It is very possible that Alexander Pierce and the anti-Fury faction within SHIELD and the World Security Council have prevented the spy agency from operating as efficiently as it did before. They may have political reasons for not allowing SHIELD to respond to threats as it should. For instance, hampering the response could undermine Fury's authority, damage his credibility and weaken his control of SHIELD. We'll find out if this is the case when CATWS comes out.


ETA: It would be great if Phil Coulson had a cameo in CATWS. Just a shot of him in the background when Steve Rogers is at the Triskelion would do it. Maybe Phil spots Cap in his Commander Rogers suit and gets so distracted that he walks into a wall or something. Agent Coulson is the SHIELD agent so he deserves his moment.

 

[Herolee10]

In Iron Man 3 the US government wanted to handle the Mandarin threat on its own, with Iron Patriot taking the lead as a US-branded superhero. They didn't want SHIELD, the Avengers or even Iron Man himself involved. After the embarrassment of not being able to protect New York from the Chitauri invasion the president and his advisers wanted to have the military deal with Mandarin to prove that it was up to the task of protecting the US from threats. Rhodey explained that to Tony when they were discussing the situation in a restaurant and Tony offered to help.

The events that happened in Greenwich in TDW occurred so quickly that SHIELD didn't have time to mount a response. Malekith and his Dark Elves attacked and were dispatched very quickly. SHIELD apparently didn't detect the convergence before it happened.

There is a very good possibility that part of the reason for SHIELD's absence in IM3 and TDW is the internal turmoil it's experiencing, which will come to a head in CATWS. It is very possible that Alexander Pierce and the anti-Fury faction within SHIELD and the World Security Council have prevented the spy agency from operating as efficiently as it did before. They may have political reasons for not allowing SHIELD to respond to threats as it should. For instance, hampering the response could undermine Fury's authority, damage his credibility and weaken his control of SHIELD. We'll find out if this is the case when CATWS comes out.

I honestly do hope that CA: TWS gives us a good reason as to why SHIELD has been absent in the last two films.

And I would imagine that even IF the US Government told SHIELD to back off when it came to the Mandarin business, they would have at least responded to when Tony was attacked. I mean if Fury was willing to go through so much trouble to help Tony find a cure to his disease back in "Iron Man 2", then surely he would have had someone respond to when Tony was attacked and presumed dead.

And yeah, even though the initial attack in Greenwich didn't occur for a long time, Thor had an entire evening's worth to contact SHIELD about the crazy situation and no matter what kind of motives Alexander Pierce might have, I would imagine that even he would want to aid in the assistance of stopping a foe that could wipe out everything.

So yeah, unless CA: TWS addresses these issues, then it's really going to standout as somewhat of a plot hole imho.

ETA: It would be great if Phil Coulson had a cameo in CATWS. Just a shot of him in the background when Steve Rogers is at the Triskelion would do it. Maybe Phil spots Cap in his Commander Rogers suit and gets so distracted that he walks into a wall or something. Agent Coulson is the SHIELD agent so he deserves his moment.

I hope so as well. I really want to see both on how the Avengers would react to Phil being alive, let alone on seeing Phil interact with the members again.

Heck, I think it'd be great to at least see Phil and his team in the opening of "Age of Ultron", when SHIELD is trying to take on Batron, only for the Avengers to arrive and save the day.

 

[Xeno]

I honestly do hope that CA: TWS gives us a good reason as to why SHIELD has been absent in the last two films.

And I would imagine that even IF the US Government told SHIELD to back off when it came to the Mandarin business, they would have at least responded to when Tony was attacked. I mean if Fury was willing to go through so much trouble to help Tony find a cure to his disease back in "Iron Man 2", then surely he would have had someone respond to when Tony was attacked and presumed dead.

And yeah, even though the initial attack in Greenwich didn't occur for a long time, Thor had an entire evening's worth to contact SHIELD about the crazy situation and no matter what kind of motives Alexander Pierce might have, I would imagine that even he would want to aid in the assistance of stopping a foe that could wipe out everything.

So yeah, unless CA: TWS addresses these issues, then it's really going to standout as somewhat of a plot hole imho.

Even if SHIELD responded when Tony's Malibu mansion was attacked, they would have gotten to the scene after the fact. Logistically, it would have been impossible for SHIELD to help Stark as the attack was occurring, just as the US military was unable to scramble jets to the location before the damage was done. Agents would have had to get wind of the attack, then scramble to get a team there (and jets or helicopters) from whatever SHIELD facility was closest. The response to an incident like that simply cannot occur instantly as it would take time for the proper authorities to realize what was happening and then to set things in motion.

In TDW Thor and the others didn't even think of getting SHIELD involved, IIRC. When you think about it, none of them would automatically rush to contact Fury's people. Selvig had close ties to SHIELD but his eggs were a bit scrambled from Loki's mind control. Jane was peeved because Agent Coulson had sent her out of the country when Loki led the invasion, keeping her away from Thor, so she wouldn't have contacted them, and Darcy was too stupid to think of it. Thor himself would never have considered asking for mortal help. So when you look at it that way their failure to alert SHIELD makes sense.

I hope so as well. I really want to see both on how the Avengers would react to Phil being alive, let alone on seeing Phil interact with the members again.

Heck, I think it'd be great to at least see Phil and his team in the opening of "Age of Ultron", when SHIELD is trying to take on Batron, only for the Avengers to arrive and save the day.

At some point the Avengers will have to be made aware of Phil's survival and it should be a major issue, whether on the show or in AOU. I would enjoy it if Agent Coulson took on some of his old duties in the film universe on occasion. It was strange not to see him in Iron Man 3, when he had been the face of SHIELD in the first two films. The rest of his team is far less important, however, and I'd prefer that they stay on TV where they belong.

 

[Herolee10]

Even if SHIELD responded when Tony's Malibu mansion was attacked, they would have gotten to the scene after the fact. Logistically, it would have been impossible for SHIELD to help Stark as the attack was occurring, just as the US military was unable to scramble jets to the location before the damage was done. Agents would have had to get wind of the attack, then scramble to get a team there (and jets or helicopters) from whatever SHIELD facility was closest. The response to an incident like that simply cannot occur instantly as it would take time for the proper authorities to realize what was happening and then to set things in motion.

I can actually buy that, though I still personally feel that it was somewhat neglectful from the writers end of "Iron Man 3" to not even mention that SHIELD had gotten involved afterwards.

Again, if this is because of some larger plot that will be revealed in CA: TWS, then so be it of course.

Personally, I was somewhat expecting them to give an answer to that in "Agents of SHIELD", but it was completely glossed over.

In TDW Thor and the others didn't even think of getting SHIELD involved, IIRC. When you think about it, none of them would automatically rush to contact Fury's people. Selvig had close ties to SHIELD but his eggs were a bit scrambled from Loki's mind control. Jane was peeved because Agent Coulson had sent her out of the country when Loki led the invasion, keeping her away from Thor, so she wouldn't have contacted them, and Darcy was too stupid to think of it. Thor himself would never have considered asking for mortal help. So when you look at it that way their failure to alert SHIELD makes sense.

Given the fact that Thor had fought alongside the Avengers to help take down the Chitauri and Loki, I would have imagined that he wouldn't view them to be so insignificant to the point where he wouldn't bother calling them when the situation warranted it.

And even though your other reasons clearly make sense, I just feel like it's somewhat irresponsible and lazy that the writers don't give any thought to any of these factors.

 

[hopeless]

Its not as if the Uk doesn't have superheroes of their own now does it?

Captain Britain might be associated with the mutant brand but Union Jack wouldn't...

My god at one point they even ran a series of comics named after the Knights of Pendragon!

Never mind at least we don't have to remind people about John Constantine after all!t:

 

[Dr Lee]

Wasn't Union Jack used (in a way) in Cap?

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think that was more of a nod to this fan, given that he wasn't either in costume or called Union Jack.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Bringing this back round to Sif, her appearance brings in a whole bunch of questions from the back of The Dark World.

1) Is she not visiting Thor? And if so, why can't he deal with whatever reason she comes to Midgard?

2) Why would Loki/Odin send Sif to Midgard when he has already essentially exiled Thor there? Or are we to assume Thor has free passage between the realms?

3) Presumably Heimdall is back?

4) If Sif is travelling back from the Collector's base, where's the other guy?

5) Why are there so many questions to answer? And can she stay? PLEASE?

 

[Chance Jackson]

It would be nice if she had a cameo in the stinger before her guest starring role, as a way of providing some continuity. Have her come to Earth at the end of Episode 14 with Episode 15 being the one that showcases her.

I think that is a great idea

 

[Huddsy]

Wasn't Union Jack used (in a way) in Cap?

It actually disappointed me -- I hope they don't relegate Union Jack to a small unknown Howling Commando role and that's it.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Bringing this back round to Sif, her appearance brings in a whole bunch of questions from the back of The Dark World.

1) Is she not visiting Thor? And if so, why can't he deal with whatever reason she comes to Midgard?

2) Why would Loki/Odin send Sif to Midgard when he has already essentially exiled Thor there? Or are we to assume Thor has free passage between the realms?

3) Presumably Heimdall is back?

4) If Sif is travelling back from the Collector's base, where's the other guy?

5) Why are there so many questions to answer? And can she stay? PLEASE?

I sure didn't ask any of those questions. The only question I asked is how they're going to explain this obvious cash-in on what was a mediocre movie at best. But for fun:

1) Thor isn't necessarily on Earth. The Bifrost is fixed, he can travel back and forth.

2) Who says Loki or Odin sent Sif there?

3) Heimdall is back from where? He's not necessary to travel between realms, anyway. Loki proved that.

4) Why does Sif have to travel with anybody? Just because she was in one scene with Volstagg doesn't mean they can't go anywhere alone.

5) Because you're making up questions to ask. And really, there's no reason for her to stay. The show already has enough under-developed characters to work on. They don't need to add anymore.