Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

[seahammer]

Awesome news about Jamie Alexander/Sif coming to the show! Her episode is likely airing around the release date of T:TDW on DVD, so yay for synergy.

The Wrecking Crew suggestion is great, as is the Eliot Randolph/Berserker staff idea. I would love it if Sif travels here with another female Asgardian warrior who decides to stay on Midgard at the end of the episode *COUGH*Valkyrie*COUGH*, but that is just the extremely impractical fanboy in me talking. There are soooo many possibilities/fan hopes for what her episode might be about, I can't wait to hear more.

 

[wobbly]

That's not my point. My point is that an 084 is an *object,* and always has been. Ergo, Baby Skye had been classified as an *object.* Why? Robot? Cyborg? Replicant? Who knows. But my point was that Coulson was visibly shocked to hear about a *person* being classified as an 084 --- i.e., an object.

Her powers are clearly latent. She doesn't even know what she is. But a *lot* of people are willing to die for her, and kill for her, and kill her. There's a messianic vibe about all this; she has to be "the chosen one" for some group or other.

You're stuck on the fact that Coulson was shocked. His reaction was just that, surprise because he didn't expect it. However the agent that was telling him the story already knew the 084 was a baby, yet he still identified her as that. Doesn't that confirm to you that it is applicable to humans as well as objects? If it wasn't he would've said "baby" from the beginning of the conversation and never referred to her as a 084.

Exactly my point. For Lumley Skye is still an 084. The word 'object' can apply to person as well, btw.

Hell, Coulson even compared her to an 'object of unknown origin' in the 2nd episode with his 'kinda like you' line.

As for why she was/is that, is anyone's guess atm (I'm favouring an Inuhuman for now, considering where she was found).

I wonder if they are gonna have Simmons do a genetic test on her to see just what the fuss is about?

 

[Endeavor]

It would make sense Jemma tests on her if Skye is the recipient of that "game changing" shot we saw in the preview.

 

[kosh33]

that might not happen since simmons doesnt know about skye's past, and i dont think coulson would want the whole team to know about it due to the small potential problem of killers hunting people with knowledge of her

 

[wobbly]

that might not happen since simmons doesnt know about skye's past, and i dont think coulson would want the whole team to know about it due to the small potential problem of killers hunting people with knowledge of her

If figure that will likely be Coulson & May's excuse for not investigating the matter further (Until something either forces them to, or whatever 'powers' she might have do manifest).

 

[cherokeesam]

I'm kinda entertaining the notion that May has a personal reason to both protect Skye and keep her powers secret: I think she might have played a role in the Hunan Massacre. On the good side, of course. Maybe she was from that village, and understands what made them give their lives to protect Skye. And maybe she was one of the SHIELD agents who has secretly been watching over Skye from a distance all these years.

 

[Xeno]

I figure Sif will probably be doing "Odin's" bidding, not realizing that it's actually Loki. Which begs the question: with Loki's seeming ability to project himself across worlds (see his discussion with Thor in the 1st movie, while the later was in SHIELD custody), does he realize (or care) that Coulson is alive now? I know Hiddleston has been open to guest starring too.

Loki didn't just "project himself" to Midgard in Thor. He physically went to New Mexico, hence his ability to actually grab Mjolnir and attempt to lift it from the rock. He was able to mask his presence from the SHIELD agents there, presumably through some sort of tech/magic at his disposal.

I wonder if Loki is The Clairvoyant & this is him setting up for his revenge on The Avengers. He could be using Asgard & other worldy treasures & trading them in for money etc. Surely he is eventually going 2 want 2 get back at The Avengers for his NYC failure. It would also explain The Clairvoyant wanting 2 find out how Coulson is alive

It would be absolutely perfect if The Clairvoyant turned out to be Loki. He could have a number of compelling reasons to go after Coulson and SHIELD, revenge being the least of them. SHIELD still has Loki's spear from The Avengers, which the trickster got from Thanos himself. Since the spear had certain powers of its own he'd probably be keen to get it back.


Coulson's journey after death could be interesting to Loki for another reason. Mortals don't come back to life after being dead for extended periods. Thanos, Loki's erstwhile partner, loves and worships Death itself. Coulson was in Death's clutches for a time, and yet he escaped. A mortal who cheated Death might be something Loki could use to ingratiate himself with Thanos again. Alternately, Coulson might have traveled to the realm where Thanos was when he died, as Loki did in TA, and that's what makes his memories of being dead important. Of course that's extremely unlikely but it would be exciting if it played out that way.

 

[The Question]

There are some timeline hiccups with Loki being the Clairvoyant (namely that Centipede seems to have been operating since well before [BLACKOUT]Loki's escape from his cell, faking his death, and taking Odin's place on the throne of Asgard, which seems to me to be where he'd most be able to pull off something like this from[/BLACKOUT]). But at the same time, it does make a little bit of sense. It would certainly be a reason to keep the Clairvoyant's identity a secret, if he's someone we've already met in the MCU and is played by an actor who'd only really be available for a couple of episodes in a season. Plus, the "enemies of SHIELD" who were working for him in the movie could easily have been the basis for Centipede's creation. If it turns out that Centipede is one of Loki's cons to gain a foothold on Earth with a bit more subtlety than what he tried in Avengers, I could definitely buy it and I'd genuinely enjoy it.

 

[Herolee10]

There are some timeline hiccups with Loki being the Clairvoyant (namely that Centipede seems to have been operating since well before [BLACKOUT]Loki's escape from his cell, faking his death, and taking Odin's place on the throne of Asgard, which seems to me to be where he'd most be able to pull off something like this from[/BLACKOUT]). But at the same time, it does make a little bit of sense. It would certainly be a reason to keep the Clairvoyant's identity a secret, if he's someone we've already met in the MCU and is played by an actor who'd only really be available for a couple of episodes in a season. Plus, the "enemies of SHIELD" who were working for him in the movie could easily have been the basis for Centipede's creation. If it turns out that Centipede is one of Loki's cons to gain a foothold on Earth with a bit more subtlety than what he tried in Avengers, I could definitely buy it and I'd genuinely enjoy it.

Yeah, I don't think Loki is the Clairvoyant as well due to the time issues that you just mentioned.

The Clairvoyant seems to have been active way before the events of Thor: TDW came about, which means that unless Loki was secretly running several operations on Earth while locked up in his magical-based cell, then it's pretty much a guarantee that Loki isn't the Clairvoyant.

Plus, even if he was...then he would have to show up on Earth at some point, which would mean that Thor would have to show up as well...and this would put a HUGE hiccup to the twist of Loki being Odin and being presumed dead from the events of Thor: TDW.

And on the note of Sif appearing, I wonder how they'll go around the issue of why Thor won't be soon appearing on the show after that since Thor is no longer being kept from visiting Earth as he once was.

 

[metaphysician]

Eh, I can't see Loki being the Clairvoyant. He may have the ability, but he's utterly lacking in motive. Of the many things he wants to achieve, screwing around with low level superhumans on Earth doesn't help any of them.

 

[bigdaddy313]

Something that would be huge is if Skye's real name, even she doesn't know it yet is Jessica Drew. That will change everything.

 

[Endeavor]

Picture from Hunan province, last known location of an 084 that disappeared 24 years ago... Could a dragon or spaceship hide there? Hmmm :P

 

[Xeno]

Eh, I can't see Loki being the Clairvoyant. He may have the ability, but he's utterly lacking in motive. Of the many things he wants to achieve, screwing around with low level superhumans on Earth doesn't help any of them.

You're kidding, right? Loki has a history of using "low-level superhumans" in his schemes that goes back to the very first issue of The Avengers. He has often been more of a puppet-master than a hands-on villain. Using Centipede to create and/or recruit superhumans would be right in line with Loki's behavior for the past six decades. As for a motive, it could be as simple as revenge, or wanting to regain his staff or even seeking an advantage over Thanos when the latter comes to inflict the punishment he promised Loki for failing him. There are myriad possibilities for Loki's involvement. Unfortunately, none of them will play out on AOS.

The group of scientists and assassins that Loki assembled to help Eric Selvig in TA could have evolved into Centipede, though that is also an unlikely prospect. Loki used his staff to control the minds of several people, so it's plausible that he could have kept some of them controlled even after he was captured. There was even another SHIELD agent whom he controlled with his spear who was never accounted for after the implosion of Project Pegasus. It took blows to the head to free Hawkeye and Selvig; those who didn't receive a jolt might have remained Loki's pawns, working to assemble more superpowered soldiers for him.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I still believe that the Clairvoyant is The Leader if he's not a made up character.

 

[Just_Human]

I bet that SIF coming to Earth has something to do with Elliott Randolph and/or the Berserker

 

[JJmelo]

I bet that SIF coming to Earth has something to do with Elliott Randolph and/or the Berserker

Why would she come down to randomly talk to a guy thats been hiding out for hundreds of years?? All he ever did was use a staff and it doesnt seem to be all that important considering nobody from Asgard came looking for it.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Why would she come down to randomly talk to a guy thats been hiding out for hundreds of years?? All he ever did was use a staff and it doesnt seem to be all that important considering nobody from Asgard came looking for it.

No idea but it's not exactly a stretch to assume Sif's appearance would have something to do with previous Asgardian mythology on the show. Maybe she's sent here to reclaim the staff (we don't know that they *weren't* looking for it), or to bring Randolph back to Asgard for some reason. He *is* AWOL after all (or perhaps he's more important than he first let on)

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Anyway this is cool. While I've been ok with the lack of actual name supers on the show I can't deny how cool it'll be to see the team get to actually interact with one.

 

[kosh33]

she is coming to kick jane's ass and take thor home...

 

[mkilban2]

No way Loki is the Clarvoyant. 0% chance. I'll bet eleventy billion Internet dollars.


Also, I'm kinda sick of Loki and don't want to see him til Thor3, but he was great in TDW. But I don't want to see him in AoS or AoU. Maybe an in name only mention in those or GotG would be fine just to remind everyone he's around. (Or dead actually )

 

[Xeno]

she is coming to kick jane's ass and take thor home...

And Thor would have no say in that.

No need to turn Sif into a demented stalker wannabe GF. Leave that for some CW show.

 

[kosh33]

And Thor would have no say in that.

No need to turn Sif into a demented stalker wannabe GF. Leave that for some CW show.

relax Xeno.. its just a joke..

 

[Xeno]

The articles about Jaimie Alexander's upcoming appearances had some interesting remarks from ABC President Paul Lee regarding AOS's ratings and the rest of the season. Lee acknowledged that the show has struggled ratings-wise as well as artistically. He said that the show will be more serialized from here on out, so it's clear that the shortcomings of the episodic procedural format have been recognized.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01...as-thors-lady-sif-on-marvels-agents-of-shield

Lee talked up the back-nine episodes of Agents of SHIELD (the ones shot when it got picked up from its initial 13-episode order to 22), saying he felt they were notably strong. He teased, "You're going to find out who the Clairvoyant is and it's going to be very, very cool."

Asked about how he felt the show had gone creatively, Lee said, “It did take us a little bit of time to find our sea legs. The key was to really work with the studios and showrunners and figure out how we could have s show that didn’t have iron man but did have an incredibly amount of the Marvel Universe. It took a little bit of time to figure out the balance between procedural and an arc.” He went on to say, “I’m so proud of how they’ve arced the last nine episodes [of Season 1].”

 

[Human Torch]

I wonder if Loki is The Clairvoyant & this is him setting up for his revenge on The Avengers. He could be using Asgard & other worldy treasures & trading them in for money etc. Surely he is eventually going 2 want 2 get back at The Avengers for his NYC failure. It would also explain The Clairvoyant wanting 2 find out how Coulson is alive

 

[Xeno]

No way Loki is the Clarvoyant. 0% chance. I'll bet eleventy billion Internet dollars.


Also, I'm kinda sick of Loki and don't want to see him til Thor3, but he was great in TDW. But I don't want to see him in AoS or AoU. Maybe an in name only mention in those or GotG would be fine just to remind everyone he's around. (Or dead actually )

Never say never. And Loki is not going to die just because you want him to. He has until Ragnarok at the very least. Right now he's in the catbird seat in Asgard, so who knows what he's plotting?

Thinking back to the murder scene in The Avengers, Loki addressed Phil Coulson in an oddly familiar fashion. "Your heroes are scattered, your flying fortress falls from the sky...." From the after credits scene in Thor and the prequel comic Fury's Big Week we know that Loki was keeping close tabs on what happened at Project Pegasus. He also observed events in New Mexico and was even on hand when Coulson had Thor in custody. The writers could expand on all that if they wanted to, perhaps show that killing Phil wasn't a random act of cruelty on Loki's part but a deliberate punishment for Fury and SHIELD itself. Maybe Loki also found out something about Coulson's importance to SHIELD during his spying. That scenario is probably more interesting (and convoluted) than what we're going to get, but I would love to see something like it.