Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 7

[Human Torch]

Speaking of coincidence I just saw on 'the other site' that the Leader is going to be on the next episode of the Agents of SMASH cartoon. I haven't been watch the show, but... synergy!

So many people keep bringing up The Leader,but he's the last person I want to see.Save him for a Hulk sequel where he belongs.Hulk doesn't have many great villains as it is.The excitement of seeing him for the first time should be reserved for a Hulk film,imo

 

[Human Torch]

Loki has absolutely no motivation to pose as Clairevoyant

Well,he did try to take over Earth in Avengers....


I'm still sticking with my prediction that it'll end up being some high ranking SHIELD agent (Redford's character?Hand?...That guy that touched Lola,whose name I don't remember?) that will lead into the events of CA TWS.It's not as sexy as Loki or The Leader,but it seems the obvious choice.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe the Clairvoyant is....


Mind Master

 

[seahammer]

So many people keep bringing up The Leader,but he's the last person I want to see.Save him for a Hulk sequel where he belongs.Hulk doesn't have many great villains as it is.The excitement of seeing him for the first time should be reserved for a Hulk film,imo

Fair enough. I don't think that we have any clear indication that it will be him, at all. But I would like to see him because he was set up so well in TIH, but who knows when TIH2 will come or what it would be about. Having him in AOS would give him something meaningful to do and wouldn't necessarily preclude him from being in a hulk sequel.

 

[Tymminator]

I think it's Mentallo as well.

 

[Xeno]

The more I think about it,the more I want Loki to be the Clairvoyant.But I just don't see how the timeline matches up too well.I can see Loki playing puppet master to earth while on the throne of Asgard.But I think he was in prison for the first episodes of the series,and I doubt he orchestrated things from there.

Loki could use whatever form of astral projection he used in Thor to shadow Selvig and in The Avengers to meet The Other to do whatever he wants on Earth. Even while he was in prison on Asgard he might have been "traveling" the Nine Realms, just as Frigga projected her image and thoughts into his cell. He was able to use some of his magic in his cell, projecting false images and using an energy blast to destroy things. It isn't inconceivable that Loki could conceal what he was doing from Odin since his father couldn't stop him from using other "magic" while imprisoned.

Loki has absolutely no motivation to pose as Clairevoyant

He could have good reasons for going after SHIELD. As far as we know, SHIELD still has Loki's spear since that wasn't shown being returned to Asgard when Thor took him back to face punishment. The spear is valuable at least insofar as it confers mind control powers. It could also be important to Loki because it was given to him by Thanos. Reclaiming it could provide Loki with sufficient motive to involve himself in human affairs.

 

[Crimson King]

Maybe Lorelei is trying to steal the scepter from SHIELD and Loki sends Sif after her. That might be a legitimate reason for him to send Sif to Earth.

 

[cherokeesam]

Loki as The Clairvoyant? Seriously, people?

Loki just "won" The Dark World movie. In all respects. He's got everything he ever wanted by the end of that movie. He no longer has any beef with Midgard, or even with Thor. His only motives right now will be concealing his identity and trying to keep Thanos off his ass ("no barren moon" et al.).

As for Lorelei, I suspect that she didn't *just* come to Midgard; I suspect that she's been here for centuries, and that her story is tied to Dr. Elliott Randolph (the Asgardian who stayed behind). Yes, Loki most likely is the one who sent Sif to find Lorelei and bring her to Asgard, but Loki's use for Lorelei probably revolves around a scheme in Asgard, not Midgard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it involves getting Lorelei to set up a meeting for Loki with her older, more attractive and more interesting sister. And that the scheme involves seducing Thor away from Jane Foster. Cue: Thor 3 trailer.

 

[cph9fa]

As cool as Loki as the Clairvoyant would be, I think cherokeesam (and others) have a pretty good point that he doesn't really have any direct motivation to do so at this juncture. Though its obvious that is the one behind Sif's mission.

Based on the show's theme so far, I'm getting the feeling that whoever the Clairvoyant is, is someone associated with SHIELD, either as an agent themselves (or former agent), or they have an inside man. And based on the hype surrounding his reveal, I feel like it may be someone we've already seen in the show.

Given that Hand and Sitwell seem more like clueless middlemen, the only person I can think of who directly meets those criteria would be Agent Blake (the one who touched Lola). But he didn't really strike me as the prescient type.

 

[Human Torch]

As cool as Loki as the Clairvoyant would be, I think cherokeesam (and others) have a pretty good point that he doesn't really have any direct motivation to do so at this juncture. Though its obvious that is the one behind Sif's mission.

I don't think Loki will ever be truly satisfied.He's a diva,as Stark called him.I don't see him sitting back and being content with being disguised as Odin.He's out to conquer Midgard and likely the rest of the 9 realms.I just see him doing things from behind the scenes for now until he can maneuver things to get Thor out of his way.

Based on the show's theme so far, I'm getting the feeling that whoever the Clairvoyant is, is someone associated with SHIELD, either as an agent themselves (or former agent), or they have an inside man. And based on the hype surrounding his reveal, I feel like it may be someone we've already seen in the show.

Agreed

Given that Hand and Sitwell seem more like clueless middlemen, the only person I can think of who directly meets those criteria would be Agent Blake (the one who touched Lola). But he didn't really strike me as the prescient type.

Well,Hand give mixed signals (at least that's how I interpreted it) about the Coulson affair.I don't think she was trying to hinder the team from saving him,but she wasn't all that helpful.It wouldn't be the biggest shock if she were a double agent.

Blake had only the the most minuscule dealings with the team so far.That could go either way.They're "hiding him in plan sight" (introduce him,then make us forget him) or he's actually inconsequential to the whole thing.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Loki as The Clairvoyant? Seriously, people?

Loki just "won" The Dark World movie. In all respects. He's got everything he ever wanted by the end of that movie. He no longer has any beef with Midgard, or even with Thor. His only motives right now will be concealing his identity and trying to keep Thanos off his ass ("no barren moon" et al.).

As for Lorelei, I suspect that she didn't *just* come to Midgard; I suspect that she's been here for centuries, and that her story is tied to Dr. Elliott Randolph (the Asgardian who stayed behind). Yes, Loki most likely is the one who sent Sif to find Lorelei and bring her to Asgard, but Loki's use for Lorelei probably revolves around a scheme in Asgard, not Midgard. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it involves getting Lorelei to set up a meeting for Loki with her older, more attractive and more interesting sister. And that the scheme involves seducing Thor away from Jane Foster. Cue: Thor 3 trailer.

Agreed with both of these. Vote Enchantress for Thor 3 yo.

 

[Tymminator]

Agreed with both of these. Vote Enchantress for Thor 3 yo.

Enchantress AND Executioner is what I wanna see.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Enchantress AND Executioner is what I wanna see.

yeah didn't mean to imply JUST Amora. Still hoping to see Hela at some point too.

 

[wobbly]

Enchantress AND Executioner is what I wanna see.

"He stood alone at gjallerbru".

Now that would make for one hellova Thor movie.

 

[Tymminator]

"He stood alone at gjallerbru."
Now that would make for one hellova Thor movie.

THAT would be awesome.

 

[Xeno]

The speculation about Agent Blake might be on point. (Putting spoilers for upcoming episodes under a tag.)

Spoiler

Titus Welliver and Max Hernandez were tweeting the other day about filming an upcoming episode. Apparently they were on set with Clark Gregg, so Blake and Sitwell are on their way back. It's interesting that they worked together in Item 47, too. Blake's return could have something to do with the Clairvoyant, or he could be otherwise involved in the events around Mike Peterson. There's also a possibility that with all the intrigue inside SHIELD now Blake could be a stand-up guy who's being used by one faction or another.

 

[metaphysician]

That right there is a problem. How on earth are those Extremis lackeys considered "super soldiers" if ordinary humans like Ward and May(!) can take them one-on-one in a straight-up fight?

While I think the fight scenes could have done better. . . why, exactly, do you presume that "superhuman" should automatically trump "not superhuman"?

 

[Loki882]

Batman is just an ordinary human and yet he can and has beaten Deathstroke, who's a super soldier, in a straight up fight. "Super soldier" gives you an advantage, but it doesn't mean that a human can never beat you.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think Loki will ever be truly satisfied.He's a diva,as Stark called him.I don't see him sitting back and being content with being disguised as Odin.He's out to conquer Midgard and likely the rest of the 9 realms.I just see him doing things from behind the scenes for now until he can maneuver things to get Thor out of his way.


Agreed


Well,Hand give mixed signals (at least that's how I interpreted it) about the Coulson affair.I don't think she was trying to hinder the team from saving him,but she wasn't all that helpful.It wouldn't be the biggest shock if she were a double agent.

Blake had only the the most minuscule dealings with the team so far.That could go either way.They're "hiding him in plan sight" (introduce him,then make us forget him) or he's actually inconsequential to the whole thing.

Victoria gave mixed hand signals.

 

[Xeno]

While I think the fight scenes could have done better. . . why, exactly, do you presume that "superhuman" should automatically trump "not superhuman"?

The Extremis soldiers are supposedly far stronger than a normal human being. Mike Peterson was shown pushing a 100,000 lb. tractor at a dead run. The men Raina and Po had were at least that strong, if not more because they were getting regular infusions of the serum cocktail while Peterson was not. They also have much more durable bodies, supposedly resistant to injury and capable of healing quickly, as demonstrated by their ability to shrug off the dendrotoxin dose from the night-night gun. One of them shoved a shipping container at the SHIELD agents with no effort at all.

Given the Extremis soldiers' strength, durability and enhanced healing, it should be extremely difficult for an ordinary human being with normal strength and no enhancements to even slow them down, much less give them any kind of trouble in a fight. Conversely, people who can toss around massive shipping containers and move very heavy objects should be able to literally pulverize normal human opponents with every blow they land. And they should land a lot of blows because they are super-fast as well as super-strong.

 

[mkilban2]

I think Peterson is a very special extremis solider since his "virus" was stabilized and thus fully controllable for him. These other test soldiers still seem to be in beta mode to me. If the true Extremis form died with Killian and Centipede is trying to reproduce that perfect form I can see that they aren't there yet and that's why the soliders are still able to be taken on one on one with a skilled shield agent. Or my personal theory that we still haven't reached IM3 in AoS's timeline yet would explain why centipede is still attempting to perfect the formula as well. (But scenario 2 is just me still not believing we've hit IM3 in AoS )

 

[Gr0oT]

The imbalances just comes down to lazy, bad writing.
As far as Mentallo being a mutant, that shouldn't matter, they can simply change him to a mutate.

I just don't see why they would change the codename, and I doubt it would be to keep comic readers in suspense as it has already been proven they are an unimportant demographic so far as the show execs are concerned.

 

[Gr0oT]

I think Peterson is a very special extremis solider since his "virus" was stabilized and thus fully controllable for him. These other test soldiers still seem to be in beta mode to me. If the true Extremis form died with Killian and Centipede is trying to reproduce that perfect form I can see that they aren't there yet and that's why the soliders are still able to be taken on one on one with a skilled shield agent. Or my personal theory that we still haven't reached IM3 in AoS's timeline yet would explain why centipede is still attempting to perfect the formula as well. (But scenario 2 is just me still not believing we've hit IM3 in AoS )

Chronologically that doesn't seem to make sense, I'm completely unwilling to revisit the episodes to be sure but iirc they made an effort to make Extremis sound like preexisinting tech and that Centipede was an amalgamation of Chitauri tech, Super Soldier Serum and Gamma radiation...

I'm willing to bet that Killian had been working on Extremis long before the Battle of New York.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The Deathlok development is interesting and I love that Lady Sif is gonna appear, it should be interesting to see how both are handled on TV.

 

[Mattallica]

Centipede=Roxxon=the Brand corp.

the Clairvoyant= Alexsander lukin(roxxon owner)=Alexander Pierce(Redford)=Red Skull (consciousness trapped in pierce )

Skull wants to know how Coulson was brought back to life so he can Bring himself Back.

See-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxxon_Energy_Corporation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand_Corporation