Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 7

[Xeno]

Getting away from Deathlok for a minute (who knew he had 'stans?), it suddenly occurred to me that Skye might be a messed up version of Daisy Johnson, with Coulson taking Nick Fury's place as her SHIELD mentor. I'm sure someone has proposed this before. That would make more sense than the Jessica Drew theory to me.

 

[seahammer]

He might be. Give it some time. They might surprise you.

Who's to say he doesn't start one way and develop a look as he goes? They constantly re-make IM's suits and Cap's suits -- so why wouldn't his?

My impression is that he's turning into Deathlok one piece at a time. First he volunteered for centipede. Then, he got the eye and the leg. Even though he'll be introduced as Deathlok, it doesn't mean that he will encounter Agent Coulson and his band of merry men and women. He'll probably go toe-to-toe with them later in the season, and all we'll get is a few minutes here and there that show how his transformation is progressing.

I, too, think this is what will happen. I think that whatever state he is in in the Feb 4th episode will not be his final state, and he will continue to evolve throughout the series. Groot, I know as a fan of a character it is sometimes hard to be patient, but I think that a slow build will make the payoff worth it, and you'll end up with a character that you've seen grow into the character you know from the comics.

 

[Dark Raven]

I posted the above since it was the only one I could find that had him with an unscarred face. Plus it's Michael Collins which seems to be the main influence for AoS's version.

I'm in no way expecting something completely comic accurate but I feel if they are going to bother they should make their version recognizable as a variation of what can be found in the comics, as they have with all their characters.

At least have the face plate, but from the sound of it it's just the implant with the killswitch which is imperceptible anyways.

The Marvel Legends Deathlok seems to look more like the redesigned version, but his face is still scarred. I think he's meant to be Luther Manning though:

Should the AOS Deathlok have the US flag on his chest?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

My impression is that he's turning into Deathlok one piece at a time. First he volunteered for centipede. Then, he got the eye and the leg. Even though he'll be introduced as Deathlok, it doesn't mean that he will encounter Agent Coulson and his band of merry men and women. He'll probably go toe-to-toe with them later in the season, and all we'll get is a few minutes here and there that show how his transformation is progressing.

He'll get a different body part blown off in every episode he appears.

 

[seahammer]

Should the AOS Deathlok have the US flag on his chest?

I don't think that would make sense for this version of the character.

He'll get a different body part blown off in every episode he appears.

 

[iambranded]

Getting away from Deathlok for a minute (who knew he had 'stans?), it suddenly occurred to me that Skye might be a messed up version of Daisy Johnson, with Coulson taking Nick Fury's place as her SHIELD mentor. I'm sure someone has proposed this before. That would make more sense than the Jessica Drew theory to me.

I was thinking that also......
I can go with that theory....
Also she might be Bobby Morse aka MockingBird
We all know she has some supped up power set now in the current Marvel U via comics

 

[mkilban2]

I was Hanging out with my cousin last night who's just as big an MCU fan as me but has never read the comics ever either I was surprised that he hasn't watched AoS at all. He didn't know that it's as closely tied to the MCU as it actually is so I convinced him to catch up since its a pretty solid show.

It's funny how we got into the MCU, we both saw IM1 and then were so interested in the whole part of these individual movies being connected and just got hooked. With no comic knowledge we started getting more familiar with the characters and stories through Matvel wikis and things like that. I love the depth and history Marvel has, but I never dig too far because I also love that when I view these movies there's so much that's going to happen that I won't know about or expect.

 

[Gr0oT]

I, too, think this is what will happen. I think that whatever state he is in in the Feb 4th episode will not be his final state, and he will continue to evolve throughout the series. Groot, I know as a fan of a character it is sometimes hard to be patient, but I think that a slow build will make the payoff worth it, and you'll end up with a character that you've seen grow into the character you know from the comics.

I think this is part of us getting to used to making excuses for the show, so much so that we preemptively making them.

They are past the halfway mark of the season, this isn't the time to drag things out again, especially when they make a point of letting us know ahead of time that they've finally yielded to fan demand and added a classic Marvel character and saying it was part of the plan all along.
Nows the time to wow the fans, show them something that feels like it fits as part of the MCU, not the Amazing Burnt Face Iron Leg Man.

Obviously I'm being a pessimist, and I promise I'll be the first to eat my words and let myself open to you all shaming me if he turns out to be awesome.

The Marvel Legends Deathlok seems to look more like the redesigned version, but his face is still scarred. I think he's meant to be Luther Manning though:

Should the AOS Deathlok have the US flag on his chest?

It wouldn't fit, perhaps the Hydra symbol if he ended up being linked to them? And when he eventually returns to SHIELD it be great to have something like the classic design, dark blue instead of red, and the SHIELD symbol where the flag classically was.

I'm not as anally stuck on a perfect replica as I might come off, I won't lose a nights sleep if he doesn't have tabi feet or a tube going from his chest to his weapon... I just want the essence of Deathlok.

He'll get a different body part blown off in every episode he appears.

That's why I don't believe in the progressive evolution into a full blown Deathlok, they can't continuously make Peterson come off as incompetent, he really doesn't have a good track record as it is.

It become a gag if they went that route.

 

[seahammer]

I think this is part of us getting to used to making excuses for the show, so much so that we preemptively making them.

They are past the halfway mark of the season, this isn't the time to drag things out again, especially when they make a point of letting us know ahead of time that they've finally yielded to fan demand and added a classic Marvel character and saying it was part of the plan all along.
Nows the time to wow the fans, show them something that feels like it fits as part of the MCU, not the Amazing Burnt Face Iron Leg Man.

Obviously I'm being a pessimist, and I promise I'll be the first to eat my words and let myself open to you all shaming me if he turns out to be awesome.

I totally agree with the part in bold, I hope that it really is an awesome adaptation and it is time for fans to feel like their patience has paid off (for those who aren't there yet). .......But rather than being an apologist, I just see myself as an optimistically-leaning realist.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

That's why I don't believe in the progressive evolution into a full blown Deathlok, they can't continuously make Peterson come off as incompetent, he really doesn't have a good track record as it is.

It become a gag if they went that route.

Mostly I was joking but I see what you're getting at.

Although being injured doesn't necessarily mean someone is incompetent. If he's doing enough crazy **** out in the field, being used callously and treated like a weapon instead of a man he's bound to sustain damage.

And hell it doesn't even have to go that way, if he's being controlled they could just slice off parts and upgrade him whenever they want.

"Wake up, Mike. Today we're installing the soft serve ice cream machine in your chest."

 

[Dark Raven]

Mostly I was joking but I see what you're getting at.

Although being injured doesn't necessarily mean someone is incompetent. If he's doing enough crazy **** out in the field, being used callously and treated like a weapon instead of a man he's bound to sustain damage.

And hell it doesn't even have to go that way, if he's being controlled they could just slice off parts and upgrade him whenever they want.

"Wake up, Mike. Today we're installing the soft serve ice cream machine in your chest."

I thought that thing was a boob tube.

 

[Vartha]

Man we had some type of art for his look

 

[Xeno]

To be honest, Deathlok is about the most insignificant "iconic" character they could have chosen to adapt for the show. He is nowhere near as well-known and popular as the major Marvel heroes so the writers have more leeway in how they choose to develop him. The key here is that these are adaptations, not straight copies of comic book characters. That is the case even with Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc., all of whom were changed in significant ways from their comic book incarnations. The same is true for Deathlok who, let's face it, far fewer people even in the fandom know and care about.


I'm always upfront about the show's shortcomings, so I am not confident that they will do any of the characters justice in the long run, Deathlok included. However, I will give the showrunners credit for making the audience care about Mike Peterson before they commenced with the horrific body modifications. By developing him the way that they have they've ensured that he is seen as a real person whose plight is tragic, instead of presenting a monstrous character and then attempting to gain sympathy for him after the fact.

 

[Vartha]

To be honest, Deathlok is about the most insignificant "iconic" character they could have chosen to adapt for the show. He is nowhere near as well-known and popular as the major Marvel heroes so the writers have more leeway in how they choose to develop him. The key here is that these are adaptations, not straight copies of comic book characters. That is the case even with Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc., all of whom were changed in significant ways from their comic book incarnations. The same is true for Deathlok who, let's face it, far fewer people even in the fandom know and care about.


I'm always upfront about the show's shortcomings, so I am not confident that they will do any of the characters justice in the long run, Deathlok included. However, I will give the showrunners credit for making the audience care about Mike Peterson before they commenced with the horrific body modifications. By developing him the way that they have they've ensured that he is seen as a real person whose plight is tragic, instead of presenting a monstrous character and then attempting to gain sympathy for him after the fact.

I'm not expecting Mike to LOOK like the comic version. I mean most ANY adaptation of Deathlok was created BEFORE todays' Technology and actual Bionics

 

[Gr0oT]

I totally agree with the part in bold, I hope that it really is an awesome adaptation and it is time for fans to feel like their patience has paid off (for those who aren't there yet). .......But rather than being an apologist, I just see myself as an optimistically-leaning realist.

Exactly, an awesome adaptation is all I'm asking for, not a picture perfect replica but something that respects the overall look and ultimately feels like part of the Marvel Universe we all grew up to love.

Mostly I was joking but I see what you're getting at.

Although being injured doesn't necessarily mean someone is incompetent. If he's doing enough crazy **** out in the field, being used callously and treated like a weapon instead of a man he's bound to sustain damage.

And hell it doesn't even have to go that way, if he's being controlled they could just slice off parts and upgrade him whenever they want.

"Wake up, Mike. Today we're installing the soft serve ice cream machine in your chest."

Personally I feel that if this happens it will be from lackluster reactions from fans seeing this supposed hero and then they'll say it was part of the plan all along.

There's no real reason to go light on this despite Peterson really not being messed up enough, he should have been as out of it and destroyed as the original Robocop was before his transformation.

Man we had some type of art for his look

The four covers of Deathlok: The Living Nightmare of Michael Collins by Joe Jusko are probably the best he has ever been drawn. It was what drew me to the character and then McDuffie did the rest.

To be honest, Deathlok is about the most insignificant "iconic" character they could have chosen to adapt for the show. He is nowhere near as well-known and popular as the major Marvel heroes so the writers have more leeway in how they choose to develop him. The key here is that these are adaptations, not straight copies of comic book characters. That is the case even with Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, etc., all of whom were changed in significant ways from their comic book incarnations. The same is true for Deathlok who, let's face it, far fewer people even in the fandom know and care about.

I completely understand that he is perhaps less than a d-lister, but regardless of this they should stick to their working model and respect the source. Especially when Loeb comes out and makes a point that he's been in the planning since the beginning it shouldn't look like a rush job or some cheap tacticool burnt man with a metal leg.

This show will most likely exclusively use d-listers and I'm sure eventually everyone here will get one of their secret favorites adapted and this is just going to be a preview of the lackadaisical attitude they'll bring to theirs.

All the guys you mentioned have basically spot on looks from the comics, and honestly I bet that 75% of the viewership knows as much about Deathlok as they did of Iron Man before his movie came out, and the reason Iron Man worked, RDJ excluded, was because it stuck mostly to the core of the character.

I'm always upfront about the show's shortcomings, so I am not confident that they will do any of the characters justice in the long run, Deathlok included. However, I will give the showrunners credit for making the audience care about Mike Peterson before they commenced with the horrific body modifications. By developing him the way that they have they've ensured that he is seen as a real person whose plight is tragic, instead of presenting a monstrous character and then attempting to gain sympathy for him after the fact.

You're right about that, despite changing it from Peterson to Collins they managed to keep him a family man and things can turn out similarly to the Collins version.

 

[Vartha]

I had that set at one time. Tho I had them all. lol I was wishing we had production art like we get on Films sometimes. by the way, Joe did art for a Thor model kit that's supposed to be out pretty soon I asked him about it the other day and he had no date for it

Exactly, an awesome adaptation is all I'm asking for, not a picture perfect replica but something that respects the overall look and ultimately feels like part of the Marvel Universe we all grew up to love.



Personally I feel that if this happens it will be from lackluster reactions from fans seeing this supposed hero and then they'll say it was part of the plan all along.

There's no real reason to go light on this despite Peterson really not being messed up enough, he should have been as out of it and destroyed as the original Robocop was before his transformation.




The four covers of Deathlok: The Living Nightmare of Michael Collins by Joe Jusko are probably the best he has ever been drawn. It was what drew me to the character and then McDuffie did the rest.

I completely understand that he is perhaps less than a d-lister, but regardless of this they should stick to their working model and respect the source. Especially when Loeb comes out and makes a point that he's been in the planning since the beginning it shouldn't look like a rush job or some cheap tacticool burnt man with a metal leg.

This show will most likely exclusively use d-listers and I'm sure eventually everyone here will get one of their secret favorites adapted and this is just going to be a preview of the lackadaisical attitude they'll bring to theirs.

All the guys you mentioned have basically spot on looks from the comics, and honestly I bet that 75% of the viewership knows as much about Deathlok as they did of Iron Man before his movie came out, and the reason Iron Man worked, RDJ excluded, was because it stuck mostly to the core of the character.



You're right about that, despite changing it from Peterson to Collins they managed to keep him a family man and things can turn out similarly to the Collins version.

 

[Loki882]

If they wanted to do an "iconic" character for the show, then I would have used someone like Carol Danvers, or Bobbi Morse, or Jessica Drew, or Abigail Brand. Someone just a little more well-known than Deathlok.

 

[Vartha]

If they wanted to do an "iconic" character for the show, then I would have used someone like Carol Danvers, or Bobbi Morse, or Jessica Drew, or Abigail Brand. Someone just a little more well-known than Deathlok.

We still don't KNOW Skye ISN'T Jessica Loki

 

[mkilban2]

I kinda hope that if there is the rumored jail break in AoU that we see people like Gravitron and Blizzard (and any other villains they lock up on AoS) being rounded up in the film, in addition to villains of the past the heroes have faced in their solo films.

 

[Vartha]

Was it ever revealed who released the villians in the EMH show?

 

[mkilban2]

Was it ever revealed who released the villians in the EMH show?

I haven't watched the show in over a year, but I want to say Graviton was the one to do it. But all I can remember is that he was ultimately the biggest threat, I'm probably misremembering it.

 

[Loki882]

QUOTE]

Was it ever revealed who released the villians in the EMH show?

Yes, in the three part season 1 finale.

Spoiler

It was Loki who caused the breakout. He did it to distract Thor and to keep him on Earth while Loki conquered Asgard and the other realms.

 

[Tymminator]

Getting away from Deathlok for a minute (who knew he had 'stans?), it suddenly occurred to me that Skye might be a messed up version of Daisy Johnson, with Coulson taking Nick Fury's place as her SHIELD mentor. I'm sure someone has proposed this before. That would make more sense than the Jessica Drew theory to me.

I myself actually posted that idea a long time ago.

I also recently came up with a new idea of someone she could be, but I took a screen shot and then deleted the post and will sit on it for awhile.

 

[Gr0oT]

I had that set at one time. Tho I had them all. lol I was wishing we had production art like we get on Films sometimes. by the way, Joe did art for a Thor model kit that's supposed to be out pretty soon I asked him about it the other day and he had no date for it

It's a great little series for what it was.
As far as the production art they must have something if this was all part of their big plan, sketches of what they want to do, sketches of what they can afford to do and then evolutions of that as the makeup/prostethics team started to work on it.

Plus story boards for their action sequences... I mean they aren't just making it up as they go along, of course not, it's all part of a plan man!

If they wanted to do an "iconic" character for the show, then I would have used someone like Carol Danvers, or Bobbi Morse, or Jessica Drew, or Abigail Brand. Someone just a little more well-known than Deathlok.

Let us z-list fanboys suffer first and see how eager you are to have one of your own favored characters approached by such a inconsistent production.

Anyways none of those four girls would be any more likely to be know by a random target demographic viewer than Deathlok or the Big Wheel.

I shudder to think that some want Captain Marvel introduced in this medium.

I kinda hope that if there is the rumored jail break in AoU that we see people like Gravitron and Blizzard (and any other villains they lock up on AoS) being rounded up in the film, in addition to villains of the past the heroes have faced in their solo films.

That be cool.
So far it's hard to tell what they decide to keep in continuity from the official movie tie-in comics but they already have the Leader, Abomination, and the Destroyer armor stashed away.

The more characters SHIELD puts away the more potential they'd have to be in a brief cameo of such a thing. And if they took effort in making any of the new additions visually appealing those chances would go up exponentially.

If they actually pull off Deathlok in a convincing and cool manner of course we could expect a cameo of him blasting away some bots, or even being taken over since he might be more machine than man at that point.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Any chance we see Akela Amador come back soon? She was such a bad ass. Damn shame that she's a made up character.