Aliens Vs Predator

[aaron]

im seeing it a week on friday,woooo

 

[Spider-Vader]

yes there were a lot of characters you couldnt care to like.....but so what?the films premise is Ripley....she is the one whose goen two films and fought these things.....the fourth has unknown characters in it....the idea of the prison was brilliant....it was an explainable reason as to why they all dont just run outside and let the alien free....they cant...theyre convicts....It had a good cast,a good script and i agree the musical score was brilliant....when ripley falls into the lava clutching the alien....brilliant....tears form everytime....you cant knock this film if you think Terminator 3 is good or AvP 1 or 2 are good....and to think Star Wars episode 3 comes anywhere near the originals....oh my god....

Yes I can T3 & ROTS were fun enjoyable movies, Alien3 was a boring dull movie that took a crap on Aliens.

 

[Theweepeople]

thankyou

ok so yes there are plotholes in Alien 3...there are plotholes in most sequels nowadays but think of it this way.....you have just seen a film created by Cameron and there is not initial intention to make a third (its not like now adays where they plan films in 3 ie matrix,pirates) so how would you create something that would be both scarier than its predecessor and gripping all the way through and on top of that keep it in continuity with Camerons work?

Ending the franchise would have been a better idea after aliens if no one was able to come up with a good script. That is clearly the case for Alien 3.

Alien 3 people thats how....Fincher did a fantastic job.....the idea of a lone egg was a good touch i felt....

I thought it was a horrible idea that made no sense.

....i mean the Queen or any drone alien couldve planted that there at any point in the second one....

Did you completely, ignore all the reasons I stated for why it made no sense for the queen to be able to put it there? The queen was hiding in the landing gear for at most 5 minutes. The egg sac she made to produce eggs was almost as large as her and probably would have taken hours to get that big. If the queen was able to grow that sac in the few minutes before the dropship returned to the sulaco what happened to it?

The idea that an alien drone put it there is beyond ridiculous. The queen was the only alien that got out of the atmospheric processing center while it was falling apart at the end. The dropship piloted by bishop landed to rescue Ripley and Newt from the queen for only a few seconds.

........Or to really put a spanner in the works, it couldve been put there by the writers cos the entire colony was wiped out and for all intensive purposes they couldnt have any more aliens....so they created one........

I call it lazy writing. All the aliens had not been killed. The colony was infected by the face huggers brought back from the space jockey ship Dallas, Lambert, and Kane entountered in Alien. If the colonists had been living on LV-426 for decades and didn't know about the alien ship it must have been hours away from the colony and it wasn't destroyed when the colony went nuclear.

........yes there were a lot of characters you couldnt care to like.....but so what?the films premise is Ripley....she is the one whose goen two films and fought these things........

What do you mean so what? I liked all the characters in Alien? They all served a purpose and had a specific function on the Nostromo:

Ash-Science officer
Ripley-Warrant officer, 3rd in charge
Dallas-Captain
Kane-Executive officer, 2nd in charge
Lambert-Navigator
Parker-Chief Engineer
Brett-Assistant Engineer

Aliens

Burke-Weyland Yutani corporate executive
Bishop-Executive and science officer
Ripley-civilian advisor
Hicks-Corporal, 3rd in charge
Ferro-Corporal, dropship pilot
Spunkymeyer-Private dropship weapons officer
Hudson-Private, computer tech expert
Gorman-Lieutenant, 1st in charge
Apone-Sergeant, 2nd in charge
Dietrich-Corporal, medic
Drake-Private 1st class, smartgunner
Vasquez-Private 1st class, smartgunner
Wierzbowski-private
Frost-private
Crowe-private

I liked the majority of the above characters in Aliens except Crowe and Wierzbowski who had no character development. All of the other characters were interesting and their above functions showed how they contributed to the mission.

Alien 3 characters

Dillion-rapist, wannba minister
name?-prison guard
name?-prison warden
name?-medical officer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer

These characters were so uninteresting and interchangeable I was barely able to remember Dillion's name.

.....the fourth has unknown characters in it....

Yep and I have an easier time remembering some of the Betty crew names inspite of how crappy A:R was. At least this movie had some characters that contributed something to the story. Johner was funny. Vriess was the chief mechanic. Christie was probably second or third in command.

.........the idea of the prison was brilliant....it was an explainable reason as to why they all dont just run outside and let the alien free....they cant...theyre convicts........

I call it lazy writing.

It had a good cast

Besides, Sigourney Weaver I don't remember this film having great actors in it. Charles S. Dutton is just an okay actor. Certaintly not an A-list one. What memorable work has he done since Rock? Lance Henrikson was barely in the movie. What other well known actors were in Alien 3.

a good script

Opinions vary.

and i agree the musical score was brilliant

I usually don't remember the musical scores of films that put me to sleep.

....when ripley falls into the lava clutching the alien....brilliant....tears form everytime

If the film hadn't bored me I might have cared.

........you cant knock this film if you think Terminator 3 is good

I never said terminator 3 was good. I thought it was okay. However, I don't understand all the hate people have for it because I've explained away every T3 plothole that I've heard.

........or AvP 1 or 2 are good

I never said this either. AVP 1 was crap and I won't be watching AVP2 until it airs on tv.

and to think Star Wars episode 3 comes anywhere near the originals....oh my god

Where are you coming up with this? I have never said that any of the star wars prequels came anywhere close to as good as the originals. The phantom menace was one of the most disappointing movies I've ever seen(X3 being the most disappointing). Attack of the clones was better because the sequel couldn't be any worse. Revenge of the Sith was enjoyable but, the movie had many flaws.

the biggest plot hole from episode 3 to episode 4?

VADER DOESNT LOVE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

the guy who's meant to be the most evil man in the universe killed everyone for someone else....does that not sound odd to you?hes meant to be ruthless selfish and violent...yet he did all he did to save someone he loves...that doesnt sound like someone evil to me....that just sounds like someone determined so dont start complaining about Alien 3's plotholes when you support tripe like that....

What? Do you even know the basic definition of what a plothole is? The basic definition is an inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the basic flow of logic. Anakin's intentions to save Padme started off good and slowly turned bad the moment he valued his selfish wants over the needs of the republic. Jedi are supposed to be selfless. Cutting off Mace Windu's hand was the turning point in Anakin's transition to the dark side. All of his actions after that were motivated by selfishness. This really isn't that hard to understand.

 

[Spade]

I saw it a second time just to give it another chance (luckily, a friend bought a ticket for me so I didn't have to pay). Things only got worse the second time around, and the audience I was with wasn't quiet about their dislike of the film.

 

[co2]

OK fellas..this isn't about attacking other films that people like just to "prove a point"...because it doesn't do that.

I do have to make a couple of points. It was questioned as to what other work are the actors of Alien 3 known for. The majority of the cast was English. Just because they are not known in American films, does not mean they are not well known actors. I'm sure there are plenty of actors that you consider terrific, that most accross the pond have never heard of. That cast may well be known in other parts of the world. Moreover...let's be clear about this..unknown actors do not by any means equate to bad actors, and vice-versa. Everyone in the cast of Alien was a complete unknown at the time that film was made, and it was a great cast that delivered some great performances.
Also, guys..films are make believe. You can find "plot-holes" in ANY film, that would render it implausible if you looked hard enough. Personally, I can forgive some plot holes if for the most part, the film is honest to the rest of the context of the film. I judge a film based on the sum of it's parts. Alien 3 had good acting, a great score, was a logical story progression for the series..and most of all, it fit in tone with the two that preceeded (something some of the sequels to the other films mentioned above did not do...but I will not go there). The film that followed it had none of that which is why I don't acknowledge it. Alien 3 is the end of the series to me.

 

[co2]

I saw it a second time just to give it another chance (luckily, a friend bought a ticket for me so I didn't have to pay). Things only got worse the second time around, and the audience I was with wasn't quiet about their dislike of the film.

Don't know what to tell you about your crowd. From the remarks I was hearing the second time I saw it, the crowd enjoyed it.

 

[Theweepeople]

I do have to make a couple of points. It was questioned as to what other work are the actors of Alien 3 known for. The majority of the cast was English. Just because they are not known in American films, does not mean they are not well known actors.

Well, this is relative. I'm sure these english actors might be well known in england but, are they well known worldwide. I doubt it. What isn't relative is how popular globally any actor can become after being cast in a hollywood blockbuster which makes a ton of money domestically and internationally. That's how foreign actors such as Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale, Daniel Craig, and Orlando Bloom all became popular. Playing a role in an american film can do a lot more for an actor's career then most people think.

I'm sure there are plenty of actors that you consider terrific, that most accross the pond have never heard of..

Agreed.

That cast may well be known in other parts of the world.

That's possible. What's also possible is the majority of the english actors in Alien 3 aren't well known outside of England. Furthermore, just because someone is known for being a good actor or actress doesn't mean their performance will be good in every movie. The perfect example of this was academy award winning Liam Neeson and Ewan Mcgregor in the Phantam Menace. That was some dry acting. The english actors in Alien 3 acted better then that but, there were no perfomances by any of them that stood out for me.

Moreover...let's be clear about this..unknown actors do not by any means equate to bad actors, and vice-versa.

Of course.

Everyone in the cast of Alien was a complete unknown at the time that film was made, and it was a great cast that delivered some great performances.

I still don't know what performances you're talking about so I totally disagree. I thought the cast was bland and lacked diversity.

Also, guys..films are make believe. You can find "plot-holes" in ANY film, that would render it implausible if you looked hard enough. Personally, I can forgive some plot holes if for the most part, the film is honest to the rest of the context of the film. I judge a film based on the sum of it's parts. Alien 3 had good acting, a great score, was a logical story progression for the series..and most of all, it fit in tone with the two that preceeded (something some of the sequels to the other films mentioned above did not do...but I will not go there). The film that followed it had none of that which is why I don't acknowledge it. Alien 3 is the end of the series to me.

I agree that all films have plotholes. I have no problems with minor ones that can be rationalized. I have a problem with major ones that are either completely illogical or end up destroying continuity. In my opinion Alien 3
had some ridiculous plotholes that ruined the movie for me right from the start.

 

[co2]

I still don't know what performances you're talking about so I totally disagree. I thought the cast was bland and lacked diversity.

Again, you do realise in that moment I was talking about Alien, correct? The Ridley Scott film.

 

[Theweepeople]

Again, you do realise in that moment I was talking about Alien, correct? The Ridley Scott film.

Sorry. That comment was meant toward the statement you made about the cast in Alien 3 having great performances because I clearly didn't see what you saw. Just for the record I knew two of the english actors(Charles Dance, Pete Postlethwaite) before seeing Alien 3 and their performances seemed pretty generic to some of their other work.

 

[aaron]

alien bores me,aliens is my fav

 

[co2]

Sorry. That comment was meant toward the statement you made about the cast in Alien 3 having great performances because I clearly didn't see what you saw.

I guess this is semantics because I never claimed there were great performances in Alien 3..that was my claim of Alien. For Alien 3 I said there was good acting, and I think there is definitely a difference between good acting and great performances.

 

[Nightwing]

Did you completely, ignore all the reasons I stated for why it made no sense for the queen to be able to put it there? The queen was hiding in the landing gear for at most 5 minutes. The egg sac she made to produce eggs was almost as large as her and probably would have taken hours to get that big. If the queen was able to grow that sac in the few minutes before the dropship returned to the sulaco what happened to it?

The idea that an alien drone put it there is beyond ridiculous. The queen was the only alien that got out of the atmospheric processing center while it was falling apart at the end. The dropship piloted by bishop landed to rescue Ripley and Newt from the queen for only a few seconds.

ok...but your forgetting that androids betrayed in the first....why not the second?or how do you know Burke didnt have anything to do with it?

think outside the box my friend....think outside the box...

I call it lazy writing. All the aliens had not been killed. The colony was infected by the face huggers brought back from the space jockey ship Dallas, Lambert, and Kane entountered in Alien. If the colonists had been living on LV-426 for decades and didn't know about the alien ship it must have been hours away from the colony and it wasn't destroyed when the colony went nuclear.

we dont know for definate that that planet was the same one....especially considering Ripley had been floating for years....it couldve moved or they couldve extracted and set up shop elsewhere....

What do you mean so what? I liked all the characters in Alien? They all served a purpose and had a specific function on the Nostromo:

Ash-Science officer
Ripley-Warrant officer, 3rd in charge
Dallas-Captain
Kane-Executive officer, 2nd in charge
Lambert-Navigator
Parker-Chief Engineer
Brett-Assistant Engineer

Aliens

Burke-Weyland Yutani corporate executive
Bishop-Executive and science officer
Ripley-civilian advisor
Hicks-Corporal, 3rd in charge
Ferro-Corporal, dropship pilot
Spunkymeyer-Private dropship weapons officer
Hudson-Private, computer tech expert
Gorman-Lieutenant, 1st in charge
Apone-Sergeant, 2nd in charge
Dietrich-Corporal, medic
Drake-Private 1st class, smartgunner
Vasquez-Private 1st class, smartgunner
Wierzbowski-private
Frost-private
Crowe-private

I liked the majority of the above characters in Aliens except Crowe and Wierzbowski who had no character development. All of the other characters were interesting and their above functions showed how they contributed to the mission.

Alien 3 characters

Dillion-rapist, wannba minister
name?-prison guard
name?-prison warden
name?-medical officer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer
name?-rapist or murderer

These characters were so uninteresting and interchangeable I was barely able to remember Dillion's name.

i was actually referring to the characters from Alien 3 that you so abjectly hate and dont care about...i know the other films characters had meaning but if it wasnt for the characters in Alien 3 the company wouldve got hold of Ripley or the queen wouldve hatched and the human race wouldve been destroyed.....

Yep and I have an easier time remembering some of the Betty crew names inspite of how crappy A:R was. At least this movie had some characters that contributed something to the story. Johner was funny. Vriess was the chief mechanic. Christie was probably second or third in command.

dont even get me started on this film....the acting and characters were all pointless.

I call it lazy writing.

write something you think would be a better script and we'll see

Besides, Sigourney Weaver I don't remember this film having great actors in it. Charles S. Dutton is just an okay actor. Certaintly not an A-list one. What memorable work has he done since Rock? Lance Henrikson was barely in the movie. What other well known actors were in Alien 3.

what other well knowns? Charles Dance - Clemens, Pete Postlethwaite - David, Ralph Brown - Mr. Aaron....

all brilliant british actors....oh let me guess....not a fan of the british actor?

I usually don't remember the musical scores of films that put me to sleep.

this is the most childish response.....grow up

If the film hadn't bored me I might have cared.

again childish

I never said terminator 3 was good. I thought it was okay. However, I don't understand all the hate people have for it because I've explained away every T3 plothole that I've heard.

so the crap acting and the fact that arnie got thrown 30ft across a carpark by a FEMALE terminator didnt at all bother you? they used sex to sell that film.....it was pointless....what was the point in having arnie in there if he was just an empty shell for it....couldve just had any unknown.....you know like the rest of the cast.

I never said this either. AVP 1 was crap and I won't be watching AVP2 until it airs on tv.

my entire rant wasnt aimed at just you....seesh attention seeker or what

Where are you coming up with this? I have never said that any of the star wars prequels came anywhere close to as good as the originals. The phantom menace was one of the most disappointing movies I've ever seen(X3 being the most disappointing). Attack of the clones was better because the sequel couldn't be any worse. Revenge of the Sith was enjoyable but, the movie had many flaws.

again not all aimed at you

What? Do you even know the basic definition of what a plothole is? The basic definition is an inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the basic flow of logic. Anakin's intentions to save Padme started off good and slowly turned bad the moment he valued his selfish wants over the needs of the republic. Jedi are supposed to be selfless. Cutting off Mace Windu's hand was the turning point in Anakin's transition to the dark side. All of his actions after that were motivated by selfishness. This really isn't that hard to understand.

all the way through the original trilogy you are under the impression that Vader is a selfish and spiteful villain.....THE MOST EVIL MAN IN THE UNIVERSE i believe is his title....yet you find out he killed everyone not for his own gains over the public (clearly you need to watch the film again) its to learn the power to save his wife....to bring her back from the dead....he just wanted the secret...he wanted everything for his wife....thats not an evil man....thats a man under the thumb and scared of his wife....you cant fear a man like that....he wears the dark black cape and james earl jones mask but she chooses which one.....(yes i know she died before he wears this but its a joke...)

 

[Nightwing]

OK fellas..this isn't about attacking other films that people like just to "prove a point"...because it doesn't do that.

I do have to make a couple of points. It was questioned as to what other work are the actors of Alien 3 known for. The majority of the cast was English. Just because they are not known in American films, does not mean they are not well known actors. I'm sure there are plenty of actors that you consider terrific, that most accross the pond have never heard of. That cast may well be known in other parts of the world. Moreover...let's be clear about this..unknown actors do not by any means equate to bad actors, and vice-versa. Everyone in the cast of Alien was a complete unknown at the time that film was made, and it was a great cast that delivered some great performances.
Also, guys..films are make believe. You can find "plot-holes" in ANY film, that would render it implausible if you looked hard enough. Personally, I can forgive some plot holes if for the most part, the film is honest to the rest of the context of the film. I judge a film based on the sum of it's parts. Alien 3 had good acting, a great score, was a logical story progression for the series..and most of all, it fit in tone with the two that preceeded (something some of the sequels to the other films mentioned above did not do...but I will not go there). The film that followed it had none of that which is why I don't acknowledge it. Alien 3 is the end of the series to me.

i bow and applaud you my friend....

 

[Nightwing]

Sorry. That comment was meant toward the statement you made about the cast in Alien 3 having great performances because I clearly didn't see what you saw. Just for the record I knew two of the english actors(Charles Dance, Pete Postlethwaite) before seeing Alien 3 and their performances seemed pretty generic to some of their other work.

i disagree....along side Ripley they gave the film what it needed.....

it was nice to see that in space on a deep and distant planet not everyone speaks american.....

most films now adays....be it set in Rome,Egypt,Mars.....everyone speaks American.....this was a breath of freshair from that

 

[livrule]

i disagree....along side Ripley they gave the film what it needed.....

it was nice to see that in space on a deep and distant planet not everyone speaks american.....

most films now adays....be it set in Rome,Egypt,Mars.....everyone speaks American.....this was a breath of freshair from that

Totally agree ...

For all we know it was a British prison so I don't see why this is ever an issue.

And yes, nearly all of the actors in Alien 3 are very familiar on UK TV.

 

[Hack and Slash]

looks like most of the people loved the show according to the vote results

 

[SalaciousVC]

NECA have released the first pictures of their Alien 18" Action Figure based on Ridley Scott's Alien.

http://necaonline.com/article/detail/185

In 1979, audiences were terrified by Ridley Scott's genre-redefining science fiction masterpiece: Alien. In 2008, fans finally get what they've been waiting for: an Alien 18" Action Figure from NECA! Captured in painstaking detail, the Alien hits shelves this spring. We'll be releasing more details at NECAonline as they become available, but for now take a look at our first official images of this highly anticipated figure! And make sure to check back at NECAonline for the latest updates on Alien collectibles

 

[Nightwing]

its even got the shine on the skull...the kind of transparent glow you see when it jumps on Dallas....man that bit made me jump something cronic....

 

[co2]

At 18" that thing is going to be pretty damn sweet.

I guess Neca took production of Alien and Predator from McFarlane?
I have some of the Mcfarlane stuff which I love.

 

[Timstuff]

In 1979 Kenner (now part of Hasbro) released an 18" Alien toy that was actually quite detailed for its time. Now it's a collector's item.

Alien was the first R-rated movie to have a toy tie in aimed at children, but that was actually because of a mistake on Kenner's part. They bought up the toy rights for Alien long before it came out, because they thought that Fox was going to deliver another Sci-fi adventure movie like Star Wars, which in theory would mean lots of $$$ from toys. When the movie came out though, Kenner realized that Alien was a horror movie squarely aimed at adults. Unfortunately, store shelves were already lined with toys, puzzles, lunch boxes, etc. that parents weren't buying, because they took one look at the creature and thought "I don't want my kid waking up in the middle of the night and seeing that on their night stand."

 

[aaron]

is that an alien humanoid kinda thing

 

[Spade]

What do you mean? It's an action figure based off of the first Alien. If you're talking about the human skull underneath the cowl, the original had it too. Just look at some of the production stills.

 

[livrule]

is that an alien humanoid kinda thing

No, That is an Alien.

That is the original, classic look.

 

[SalaciousVC]

is that an alien humanoid kinda thing

The Xenomorph from Alien had a Skull under it's dome,But no Eyes

 

[DoomRulz]

At 18" that thing is going to be pretty damn sweet.

I guess Neca took production of Alien and Predator from McFarlane?
I have some of the Mcfarlane stuff which I love.

Me too...almost all the AvP stuff (2004 movie)

I have all of the models except for the two Celtic predators, and the 12 inch versions.

I have all the playsets, 12 inch Alien, & 12 inch Predator. I'm seriously considering unpacking the 12 models and posing them. I figure if I keep them in a glass case or something they'll stay in tip-top shape.