Supergirl All About The Ratings!!!!!!

[vantheman77]

Of course this comes a week after halloween and the L+3 and L+7's will help like they have in the past. Oh and as far as the NFL's numbers being low...two words...Colin Kaepernick. The numbers have been down ever since the 49ers QB protest of The Star Spangled Banner. Look I am for free speech, but hating our national anthem or our founding fathers and mothers, well that deserves a trip to kick your a$$ city!

Compare that to the World Series...ESPECIALLY GAME 7...40 MILLION PEOPLE nationwide tuned in to that game which some have called the greatest game in baseball...I think that's hyperbole, but what a game it was. Then again, how would you feel if you were a Chicago Cubs fan knowing your team had to wait ONE HUNDRED EIGHT YEARS (before TV, Radio, talking movies, heck even sliced bread) between world titles?

I mean the shares in Chicago were IMMENSE...a 71 share...meaning 71% of the TV sets in the Chicago DMA (which includes parts of WI, IN and MI) were tuned to WFLD-32 and Fox's coverage of Game 7, and this in a way helps CW 50 WPWR their co-Fox TV Stations owned sister station, which might do some cross promotions and such. Not a bad way to celebrate WFLD's 50th anniversay on the air.

I hear next week's episode will be pre-empted in certain areas.

 

[Robert_Anthony]

Because sometimes we compare shows....budget, ratings, etc....

Discussions are fluid, it happens...on a forum this large, with as many different movies and shows being discussed you have fans who are fans of several, and sometimes the conversation will shift back and forth.

A sort of inside football (would say baseball, but that's over) of the numbers at these shows. The numbers get crunched and we do the Monday morning quarterbacking (or Tuesday in this case). But ABC, CBS NBC and Fox have far different ratings thresholds than the CW.

I even tweeted to the TV Grim Reaper. And it says Supergirl is nowhere near the end. And Kelly they also said if Supergirl gets season 3, it gets season 4 as well.

 

[Robert_Anthony]

I hear next week's episode will be pre-empted in certain areas.

Yeah sadly NYC is one of them...for Monday Night Football (NY Football Giants vs. Cincinnati)...CURSE YOU PIX11 AND TRIBUNE! Then again I'm a Patriots fan!

And this one, Changing, has blockbuster written all over it!!!!!

 

[Kelly]

A sort of inside football (would say baseball, but that's over) of the numbers at these shows. The numbers get crunched and we do the Monday morning quarterbacking (or Tuesday in this case). But ABC, CBS NBC and Fox have far different ratings thresholds than the CW.

I even tweeted to the TV Grim Reaper. And it says Supergirl is nowhere near the end. And Kelly they also said if Supergirl gets season 3, it gets season 4 as well.

Yep....

TV Grim Reaper is who I followed last year....not following anyone this year. The magic number is 88 eps.....so yeah, a 3rd season, means they are willing to pay out for a 4th to get to that magic number. So, with a 3rd season we may get more than the 22 eps... which would be cool.

 

[flickchick85]

I am quite confident we'll be seeing seasons 3 and 4 of this show. Which I definitely wouldn't be saying if it were still on CBS getting the ratings it was pulling last season. This move to the CW was the best thing that could've happened for it, imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The superhero thing is CW's life blood. Outside of Legends, I don't think anyone needs to worry for a good while.

 

[metaphysician]

My sneaking suspicion is that even LoT won't get simply cancelled. Instead, if they feel its performance is getting borderline, they'll replace it with a different Arrowverse show.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

The superhero thing is CW's life blood. Outside of Legends, I don't think anyone needs to worry for a good while.

It is also Warner Bros. life blood. Warner Bros. made over $1 billion dollars on the DC comic book based shows. That of course includes Gotham and Lucifer as well as the CW shows. That's about as much as the DCEU movies made this year. (Keep in mind the studio only gets 50% of the box-office)

 

[Kelly]

If anything, LoT might get an abbreviated season next year, but I don't think it in line for cancellation.

 

[Fincher]

Legends' ratings are above the average for the CW this season. I don't expect it to go anywhere.

 

[famicommander]

Legends is going to be fine. It will likely get a back order and it's getting renewed regardless.

Supergirl will also be fine, but this week didn't perform very well. I think there could be some minor backlash for the hamfisted political preaching they've done recently. The election results were surprising to me but in view of them, it's not hard to imagine some Trump supporters tuning out after the pro-immigration and gun control themes of the last few episodes

(I'm an anarcho-capitalist myself so almost any political preaching or moralizing tends to get on my nerves, but especially when it's not super well thought out or well presented)

 

[Primal Slayer]

LoT got a 4 episode pickup. But unless ratings get TVD bad, it will be fine or until TheCW finds something that is more successful then it to put in its spot.

Supergirls ratings are sad for me. I was hoping it would hold strong at 2.8+ for its first season at TheCW but that seems unlikely.

 

[Kelly]

LoT got a 4 episode pickup. But unless ratings get TVD bad, it will be fine or until TheCW finds something that is more successful then it to put in its spot.

Supergirls ratings are sad for me. I was hoping it would hold strong at 2.8+ for its first season at TheCW but that seems unlikely.

A 2.8 demo rating? or are you talking viewership?

Because if that is the demo rating you are looking for, you are FAAAAAAAR over the top...lol BTW, demo is what they are looking at compared to other shows on the CW, and it is above the average, at #2, not too terribly far behind The Flash. No need to be sad at all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am pretty sure Primal mean 2.8m viewers.

The landscape of ratings has been changing so much, I think it is hard for people to keep up and realize what to worry about. The vast majority of shows on network tv today would have been cancelled 5 years ago for these ratings.

 

[Kelly]

I am pretty sure Primal mean 2.8m viewers.

The landscape of ratings has been changing so much, I think it is hard for people to keep up and realize what to worry about. The vast majority of shows on network tv today would have been cancelled 5 years ago for these ratings.

I posted an article up there somewhere about how the CW looks at ratings, etc....it's pretty interesting.

Unfortunately, no matter how we look at it.....they (especially CBS, NBC and ABC) still look at the 18-49 demographic, live data no matter how silly that is....they aren't looking at number of viewers

 

[Kathemy]

Only, it isn't silly. They are looking at the ratings from a commercial perspective. They're asking, "how well does this show sell our advertisers' products?"

 

[famicommander]

That's one thing a lot of people don't get about television.

The show itself isn't the product. The show is a tool, and YOU are the product that the television network is selling to advertisers.

Legends getting a back order pretty much cements it as getting renewed. Which, again, pretty much guarantees a four season minimum.

As for Supergirl's ratings, they're not putting the show in any danger but it's hard to say they're not disappointing.

Look at The Flash this season
1.26
1.05
1.04
1.04 (head to head against game 1 of the World Series)
0.99 (head to head against game 6 of the World Series, series low)

versus Supergirl
1.09
0.92
0.83
0.60 (Halloween night, series low)
0.70

Flash is stable, Supergirl may still be dropping. Legends and Arrow are both also pretty stable so far. All four shows are lower than they were last year but three are relatively stable at their new levels. Supergirl, so far, is not.

Supergirl isn't going anywhere for at least two more seasons but there's no way CW didn't expect better. Of course, ratings are down across the board but without Superman appearing Supergirl has been no stronger than Arrow or Legends of Tomorrow this year.

 

[vantheman77]

They're going to have to find some way to make Supergirl a must-see without Superman. At best, I can see it getting back up to a 0.9. Out of all the episodes of Supergirl so far, the fight club episode is the weakest.

 

[Kathemy]

I think it'll stabilize at around 0.6.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Of course I'm talking about overall viewers, im not a ratings newbie lol

That's one thing a lot of people don't get about television.

The show itself isn't the product. The show is a tool, and YOU are the product that the television network is selling to advertisers.

Legends getting a back order pretty much cements it as getting renewed. Which, again, pretty much guarantees a four season minimum.

LoT isn't in the same boat as regular shows. 4 seasons won't makeit hit 88 episodes. While I think it'll get another season or 2, it won't be instantly safe.

 

[Kathemy]

At some point, superhero fatigue has to set in. Many argue it's already starting to. That's when we'll see shows fall.

Flash is safe. Even if I don't particularly like the show, it's got a solid procedural concept with a sort-of-arc making it all cohesive. Supergirl feels like Flash-lite at this point. Benoist is a wonderful lead, though.

I don't think Gotham or Lucifer will be hurt by this too much, though maybe they are facing a different set of problems. They aren't really superhero shows and they're both far removed from the rest of DCTV.

Legends of Tomorrow feels like the weak link, and I could see it getting shutdown after next season, possibly. It's hard to tell. I don't know how many more seasons Arrow has in the tank but as Supernatural proves, if the show just sustains itself CW has no problem renewing it ad infinitum.

Bottom line is that Supergirl is an easy four seasons. In fact it's even more slam-dunk deadlocked to four seasons than Gotham despite being in the second year, and Gotham isn't going anywhere either. After that, who knows?

 

[Dr.]

For the TV/ratings experts:

We’ve heard that shows owned by the networks can endure lower ratings if said shows are money-makers on secondary platforms (DVD, streaming, overseas, future syndication, etc.).

But how does it work on the CW - co-owned by CBS and Warner Bros.? For instance, WB may want to stand by Supergirl because WB/DC owns the IP and benefits from those other revenue sources. However, what’s CBS’s incentive to stick with a middling show? Does CBS get a cut from Melissa Supergirl action figures or broadcast rights to the UK?

More bluntly: Because CBS and WB have unequal stakes in a WB-owned property, do they ever fight over whether or not to cancel a WB show?

 

[Kathemy]

CBS has no stake in Supergirl. It's all a bit speculative at the moment as none of us really know for sure but the joint ownership seems to mean that both CBS and CW get to air a certain number of shows on the network. This means that they are held to different ratings standards and as the CBS shows generally rate lower, a performance which might get a WB show cancelled might be safe for them. As an example, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend would certainly have been cancelled were it not a CBS show.

 

[NotNickFury]

At some point, superhero fatigue has to set in. Many argue it's already starting to. That's when we'll see shows fall.

Legends of Tomorrow feels like the weak link, and I could see it getting shutdown after next season, possibly. It's hard to tell. I don't know how many more seasons Arrow has in the tank but as Supernatural proves, if the show just sustains itself CW has no problem renewing it ad infinitum.

That might have been the case about Legends had it not just got more episodes ordered as of yesterday.

 

[Sithborg]

For the TV/ratings experts:

We’ve heard that shows owned by the networks can endure lower ratings if said shows are money-makers on secondary platforms (DVD, streaming, overseas, future syndication, etc.).

But how does it work on the CW - co-owned by CBS and Warner Bros.? For instance, WB may want to stand by Supergirl because WB/DC owns the IP and benefits from those other revenue sources. However, what’s CBS’s incentive to stick with a middling show? Does CBS get a cut from Melissa Supergirl action figures or broadcast rights to the UK?

More bluntly: Because CBS and WB have unequal stakes in a WB-owned property, do they ever fight over whether or not to cancel a WB show?

It means the CW tries to balance the number of CBS shows with the number of WB shows on its network.