Homecoming All the technical details of this deal

[XtremelyBaneful]

Technically yes, it will be set in the MCU.

not technically man, yes it will. if they're using the same spiderman actor and taking into account all the events that've happened, then it is part of that same cinematic universe. it WON'T be, is a marvel studios film. by word of the contract it'll probably count as one of spidey's solo films

 

[harryoscop]

It'll be set in the MCU, so thats good enough for me.

 

[eddy]

I don't want Spidey's crappy spin offs in the MCU

 

[JackMercy]

Knowing a thing or two about 'the business', I'd happily bet all of my possessions that the spinoffs as announced/rumored by Sony during the past year or so will not be happening (of course it's entirely possible that there might be other spin-offs developed or reworked in the future). They are rethinking their entire approach (something this agreement makes stone cold obvious). Sony Pictures will make a few last-ditch efforts to exploit the brand, sure. But for right now, they knew this was the best choice for everyone. They are a humbled and embarrassed company, financially and creatively, and behind the scenes.

Marvel Studios is obviously very interested in incorporating Spider-Man into their current universe in some capacity, and surely Sony/Pascal will want a say in overall casting, costume, etc. But I'd venture to say that she'll largely let Marvel/Feige steer the vessel. And yes, if he's credited on the production of Sony's solo film as a "Producer" or "Co-Producer", he will most surely be getting paid.

Even if no money is exchanging hands as a "deal" in the immediate sense, there's no other reason to do this deal than for the better financial possibilities for *both* parties, and as one of the trades mentioned, there will clearly be *some* financial incentives involved for Marvel if Sony's solo film reaches certain box office "targets."

The facts are that we really know very little about how the creative relationship will work here, other than what is revealed in the press release -- which is 95% spin -- and whatever else they decide to tell us, which I expect won't be much...although nothing stays secret forever. But most assuredly Sony is using this announcement to "save face" a bit, and Marvel seems agreeable to helping them do that.

This is still a rather extraordinary moment in major Hollywood studio cooperation, and it is fascinating, and worth questioning the dynamics of the relationship. It's already generated some great discussion...although much of it is based on pure speculation.

 

[MrSpyder]

Certainly some stuff none of us will know about

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't want Spidey's crappy spin offs in the MCU

if they're gonna be part of the mcu and possibly have help from marvel themselves why would you not want them?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

bumped. alright, here's what I need clarified.

this deal gives marvel the freedom to use spiderman, at no expense to sony. however,

a. is sony allowed to use any marvel character they want in a solo spiderman film? and

b. does sony have to pay disney in royalties after using said characters?

if b follows, then I don't see how sony benefits from this deal. it is only even if either sony gets to use whatever marvel character they can for free in their solo spiderman movies, or, if they get a certain profit out of the marvel films that include spiderman to any capacity.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

bumped. alright, here's what I need clarified.

this deal gives marvel the freedom to use spiderman, at no expense to sony. however,

a. is sony allowed to use any marvel character they want in a solo spiderman film? and

b. does sony have to pay disney in royalties after using said characters?

if b follows, then I don't see how sony benefits from this deal. it is only even if either sony gets to use whatever marvel character they can for free in their solo spiderman movies, or, if they get a certain profit out of the marvel films that include spiderman to any capacity.

From what I took from the emails Sony has to consult with Marvel before they make any moves. They cant go off and make a spin-off while marvel is doing something else. Why? Because that spin-off would be a part of the mcu. Obviously Marvel cant have all that randomness, it needs to be controlled. So im gonna say that no they cant just pick a character and use it, theyd need Marvels ok first.

Also sony is financing a part of the non-solo flicks which means they get a percentage in profit. Likewise Marvel is financing part of the solos and so their payday comes from that. They both benefit because the movies are projected to have huge BO paydays.

This is all guesswork of mine, and im not really knowledgeable on these hollywood contracts and all that. But im assuming I got something going here :b

 

[Webhead2006]

I think it's b. And yes it doesn't seem like sony gets alot out of this deal. Besides pretty much having marvel do movies for them. And reaping off the box office figures. As solo films marvel doesn't make any money off the box office. Only in toys.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

From what I took from the emails Sony has to consult with Marvel before they make any moves. They cant go off and make a spin-off while marvel is doing something else. Why? Because that spin-off would be a part of the mcu. Obviously Marvel cant have all that randomness, it needs to be controlled. So im gonna say that no they cant just pick a character and use it, theyd need Marvels ok first.

Also sony is financing a part of the non-solo flicks which means they get a percentage in profit. Likewise Marvel is financing part of the solos and so their payday comes from that. They both benefit because the movies are projected to have huge BO paydays.

This is all guesswork of mine, and im not really knowledgeable on these hollywood contracts and all that. But im assuming I got something going here :b

by financing do you mean sony is just straight up helping to pay for the film's budget? then yeah it makes sense for them to get paid off of it, and vice versa if disney is helping out with the solo spidey movies.

but. the deal stated that there would be strictly no actual profit sharing in terms of the character himself. so sony gets nothing out of spidey being in marvel films, just for the fact that that was the deal made. but why then does sony have to pay marvel if they use their characters? that is definitely not in their favor.

I think it's b. And yes it doesn't seem like sony gets alot out of this deal. Besides pretty much having marvel do movies for them. And reaping off the box office figures. As solo films marvel doesn't make any money off the box office. Only in toys.

merchandising is where most of the money is made, not even in the box office. that may have had something to do with sony's suffering with the spiderman character. they sold the merchandising rights of spiderman way back when to disney. or marvel, if it was before disney bought em.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

by financing do you mean sony is just straight up helping to pay for the film's budget? then yeah it makes sense for them to get paid off of it, and vice versa if disney is helping out with the solo spidey movies.

but. the deal stated that there would be strictly no actual profit sharing in terms of the character himself. so sony gets nothing out of spidey being in marvel films, just for the fact that that was the deal made. but why then does sony have to pay marvel if they use their characters? that is definitely not in their favor.

Yeah, the email had them financing 5%. On the flipside marvel would finance either 30 or 50% of the solos which would give them alot of control over what happens with the character. Where did you hear that Sony has to pay to use Marvel's characters? Maybe they dont have to pay, but Marvel still has to greenlight who they can use. I figure that since the solos are part of the MCU Marvel would've crossed over characters anyway

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Also sony is financing a part of the non-solo flicks which means they get a percentage in profit. Likewise Marvel is financing part of the solos and so their payday comes from that. They both benefit because the movies are projected to have huge BO paydays.

That was from the negotiations which broke down in November. Both The Hollywood Reporter and Variety have sources that say that the co financing is not part of the agreement reached in early 2015.

Marvel Studios won’t pay Sony Pictures for the rights to put Spider-Man in “Captain America: Civil War,” the “Avengers” franchise or its other superhero films, as part of its new partnership with the studio, according to sources with knowledge of the deal. At the same time, Marvel won’t receive a cut of the box office for any of Sony’s films that feature Spider-Man. Sony won’t receive a percentage of the revenue Disney makes from Marvel’s films that have Spider-Man, either.

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/details-spider-man-appear-in-sony-and-marvel-movies-1201429039/

Sony, however, will retain the final creative control and continue to finance, distribute and own the new movies.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-deal-sony-opts-lease-772251

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yeah, the email had them financing 5%. On the flipside marvel would finance either 30 or 50% of the solos which would give them alot of control over what happens with the character. Where did you hear that Sony has to pay to use Marvel's characters? Maybe they dont have to pay, but Marvel still has to greenlight who they can use. I figure that since the solos are part of the MCU Marvel would've crossed over characters anyway

I don't know, that's why I bumped the thread with this questionability. Once the deal was announced, I expected to read that disney would give sony some sort of percentage of earnings from the films in which they include spiderman in, especially considering marvel's bathing in money while sony needs could use some charitable help from a fellow conglomerate. I found it strange that there was not gonna be a monetary exchange.

 

[SyntaxError]

Money will not be changing hands at all.

Sony benefits widely from being part of the MCU, which will surely generate hype for their franchise. Having Spider-Man in a Marvel movie i.e. Civil War will also help bring audiences to the Spidey films.

Marvel gets to have more control of the franchise and bring one of the most important characters to the MCU. The benefit from what should be increasing merchandise sales and production income.

They flirted with having a co-fi agreement in which case money did in fact exchange hands, as seen from the email leaks, but ultimately decided not to.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Money will not be changing hands at all.

Sony benefits widely from being part of the MCU, which will surely generate hype for their franchise. Having Spider-Man in a Marvel movie i.e. Civil War will also help bring audiences to the Spidey films.

Marvel gets to have more control of the franchise and bring one of the most important characters to the MCU. The benefit from what should be increasing merchandise sales and production income.

They flirted with having a co-fi agreement in which case money did in fact exchange hands, as seen from the email leaks, but ultimately decided not to.

Right, and Marvel's already seeing a boost in merchandise sales.

In fact, sales for products themed around the web slinger picked up again following the announcement of Marvel’s new relationship with Sony. The character generated another $1 billion in global retails sales last year, NPD Group said

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/m...age-of-ultron-make-the-big-bigger-1201449832/

 

[JOE]

I love win win scenarios. Sony will make more money off their future films, the MCU gets to use Spidey without paying any sort of royalty. It's perfect, everyone wins.

 

[djsunyc]

I love win win scenarios. Sony will make more money off their future films, the MCU gets to use Spidey without paying any sort of royalty. It's perfect, everyone wins.

it's only perfect if sony makes good spiderman films.

 

[Webhead2006]

I am just very curious what the actual agreed upon deal details are.

 

[Infinight888]

a. is sony allowed to use any marvel character they want in a solo spiderman film? and

b. does sony have to pay disney in royalties after using said characters?

if b follows, then I don't see how sony benefits from this deal. it is only even if either sony gets to use whatever marvel character they can for free in their solo spiderman movies, or, if they get a certain profit out of the marvel films that include spiderman to any capacity.

I'm pretty sure Marvel gets final say in whatever characters appear in the Sony films. It would be stupid to give Sony a free license to every single Marvel character in exchange for the conditional ability to use characters from a single franchise. That said, I also don't think they will have to pay Disney any royalties, as having Iron Man pop up in SpiderMan movie would promote Iron Man's brand as much as it would Spidey's. So long as it doesn't make problems in the MCU, I think Marvel will be okay with it.

 

[Knight_SV]

Did feige had said we don't need to worry about how the deal turned out? Spidey is in good hands now

 

[Webhead2006]

Of course we all hope all is good now for live action spidey. It's just a interesting thing to know what are the true details of how this share agreement is to work for both sony and for marvel/disney.

 

[DigificWriter]

Sony being able to use Marvel characters wasn't even part of the original deal, so we probably won't find out what happens if Sony uses Marvel characters in their movies until/unless it actually happens.

As far as the original deal goes, I think it bears repeating that Sony is the studio to get more immediately tangible benefits out of the arrangement because the ways in which they profit from it are far more direct than the ways in which Marvel profits from it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Sony being able to use Marvel characters wasn't even part of the original deal, so we probably won't find out what happens if Sony uses Marvel characters in their movies until/unless it actually happens.

As far as the original deal goes, I think it bears repeating that Sony is the studio to get more immediately tangible benefits out of the arrangement because the ways in which they profit from it are far more direct than the ways in which Marvel profits from it.

how so? if marvel can use spiderman for free but the same can't be said for sony using marvel characters then the benefits are definitely toward marvel's favor.

and if sony using marvel characters in spidey films wasn't part of the deal at all this is definitely all the more pressuring on sony.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya really all sony gets is pretty much marvel making there solo film. But sony gets name on movie. And reaps the marvel money wagon. Where as marvel gets to use spidey where ever. And reaps on merch sales which is way more then what Sony has made on any merch sales prior with spidey.

 

[Zarex]

Sony being able to use Marvel characters wasn't even part of the original deal, so we probably won't find out what happens if Sony uses Marvel characters in their movies until/unless it actually happens.

As far as the original deal goes, I think it bears repeating that Sony is the studio to get more immediately tangible benefits out of the arrangement because the ways in which they profit from it are far more direct than the ways in which Marvel profits from it.

All the immediate, tangible benefits are heading Marvel's way - Disney Consumer Products saw an immediate increase in sales of Spidey merchandise after the deal was announced and CA: CW is definitely going to benefit from his presence when it is released in 2016. Sony isn't going to see any returns until at least 2017.