Homecoming All the technical details of this deal

[DigificWriter]

Exactly.

Sony do not own spider-man.

They might not own the Spider-Man IP outright, but they do own a license to control it and use it however they see fit.

 

[LizardMan07]

So, in other words, they don't own the IP? Good to know.

Also good to know that the way they're using the movie licence is to integrate the character into the MCU, something owned by Marvel.

Also, the guy in charge of the MCU is producing a spider-man film too? Wonder if that's connected?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yes, Spider-Man will be part of the MCU, but his appearances therein will be handled by both Marvel Studios (in Civil War and potentially other films) AND Sony (in the 2017 film and potentially other projects), with each studio operating independently of the other yet building on what the other does with the character.

Yes, Kevin Feige is involved with Sony's side of the equation, but Marvel Studios, as an entity, is not. People can keep saying that Marvel would never have agreed to that kind of a deal, but the fact of the situation is that they DID agree to that kind of a deal.

Eh, if I recall correctly, you have stated in the past that you didn't want this deal to happen. So I'm inclined to believe you're posts are made with bias against marvel

 

[Mike Murdock]

This is an absurd discussion based on technicalities. Technically, Sony owns an indefinite lease on the rights to use Spider-Man in movies. They are sub-leasing that right back to Marvel. So, formally, Sony doesn't own Spider-Man just like I don't own the songs I bought off iTunes or games I bought off of Steam.

But, practically speaking, Sony owns the rights to use Spider-Man in a movie until they lose those rights. It's different from the sub-lease to Marvel, which can be revoked by Sony or is a short-term thing.

 

[Webhead2006]

Again I still feel marvel will be the creative hand in this. And sony let's Marcel disney magic rub off to a viable project that again sony reaps the profits from. And marvel gets the toy profits as we know. So in the end both sony and marvel gets win win deal.

 

[DigificWriter]

Eh, if I recall correctly, you have stated in the past that you didn't want this deal to happen.

I didn't want this deal to happen, true, but I have no particular bias against Marvel as a result of it having happened.

And, for the record, analyzing the specifics of it as they have been reported on and pointing out that they do favor Sony over Marvel isn't showing anti-Marvel bias... it's simply being honest about the situation.

 

[Webhead2006]

Digic I have question. Would you have rather sony to either sold right back and it be back to marvel lock stock and barrel with no sony in picture.

Or would you have wanted them to drag out and continue with all there pre deal plans. And what not.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I would've preferred Sony to have stuck with what they had been doing, but executives clearly didn't have the same faith in the TASM franchise that I did and chose to go in a very different direction by making this deal, which is, ultimately, their prerogative.

I just want Spider-Man on the big screen, and if Sony thinks the best way to keep him there is to strike a partnership deal with Marvel Studios, I'll accept that decision even if I don't personally think it was a necessary one.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ok cool I was just curious on your view on matter. For me after the mess we know asm series was behind the scenes and all the crazy ideas going for spidey universe. I wasn't happy with sony any more. And for me I rather it have gone back to marvel fully.

 

[DigificWriter]

As much as I've enjoyed the development of the MCU thus far, I don't want to live in a world where the filmic versions of major and/or minor comic book characters are controlled by only two companies. I much prefer the situation we currently have, which is that you have Marvel Studios producing movies, Sony producing movies, FOX producing movies, and DC/Warner Bros. producing movies. Taking both Sony and FOX out of the equation would leave me extremely dissatisfied, which is the primary reason I'm happy that Sony made this deal with Marvel in the fashion that they did since it preserves their own ability to make comic-book movies while acknowledging the successes that Marvel Studios has had and creating a scenario whereby they can piggyback off of said successes, and why I do not want to see FOX lose the rights to X-Men and the Fantastic Four.

 

[Webhead2006]

Speaking of ff. God I have no interest in the new reboot from them. And like them giving up dd. I wish they would have let rights gone back to marvel thete. Marvel doesn't need xmen really. And no way fox would give up them any time soon. But ff was pretty much dead to them. And I would have had marvel if they had got the rights back. To have sit on ff for a few yrs. And let them be the head liner new property for phase 4. And lol how fun would it have been. For fantastic four be phase 4 lead. To play on the 4's. Plus ff so fits mcu better then fox.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I didn't want this deal to happen, true, but I have no particular bias against Marvel as a result of it having happened.

And, for the record, analyzing the specifics of it as they have been reported on and pointing out that they do favor Sony over Marvel isn't showing anti-Marvel bias... it's simply being honest about the situation.

i think almost everybody in this forum would agree that you've tried to downplay Marcel's power and involvement in this reboot. That to me sounds like a biased agenda.

Especially with the knowledge of you not wanting this deal to have happened.

 

[DigificWriter]

The specifics of the deal itself downplay Marvel's role, at least with regards to the production specifics of the 2017 film and any other live-action projects produced by Sony that feature Spider-Man or related characters.

Each studio has complete independent control of the character of Spider-Man relative to the films that they are directly responsible for producing, but Sony retains overall control of the Spider-Man property.

The biggest source of conflict in this argument is the belief that Kevin Feige's involvement with the 2017 film automatically equates to the involvement of Marvel Studios - as an entity - with said film and the consequent belief that Marvel Studios - as an entity - has any substantial creative control over the character in or creative direction of said film, which is simply not the case based on the facts of the situation as reported on.

Kevin Feige the MAN will have a production credit on the 2017 film; Marvel Studios the CORPORATE ENTITY will not.

 

[Spiderine]

Whatever the case I think its a huge step forward in preserving Spiderman's brand on the big screen by linking him with the MCU. Something drastic needed to be done to stop the downward spiral. And those Sony ideas were doing it no favors. FOX simply doesn't find itself in that predicament with the Xmen as it is a much larger universe in itself. And they kept their franchise in tact without rebooting.

 

[DigificWriter]

The situation - if understood correctly - is a win-win for both Sony and Marvel Studios because it preserves their individual creative autonomy while still creating a way for them to cooperate relative to the usage of the incredibly popular character of Spider-Man.

Marvel Studios gets access to Spider-Man and the ability to use him as they see fit, while Sony gets access to the MCU and the ability to use Spider-Man and the overall Spider-Man license (which they retain control of) in it (the MCU) as they see fit, with steps being taken - through Kevin Feige the MAN - to ensure that the two studios' creative autonomy does not clash.

 

[Zarex]

The biggest source of conflict in this argument is the belief that Kevin Feige's involvement with the 2017 film automatically equates to the involvement of Marvel Studios - as an entity - with said film and the consequent belief that Marvel Studios - as an entity - has any substantial creative control over the character in or creative direction of said film, which is simply not the case based on the facts of the situation as reported on.

Kevin Feige the MAN will have a production credit on the 2017 film; Marvel Studios the CORPORATE ENTITY will not.

According to the joint press release, the next Spidey film will be co produced by Kevin Feige AND HIS EXPERT TEAM AT MARVEL. I would be surprised if Marvel Studios the CORPORATE ENTITY is left out of the pre post-credit scene.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Frankly, it's production control, not production credit I'm more interested in (although I suspect Marvel Studios will appear in the credits anyway).

 

[DigificWriter]

Regardless of the wording used in the press release, the articles that reported on the specifics of the deal made it clear that neither studio has any involvement in the other's films that feature Spider-Man.

Unless Marvel Studios gives Sony a production credit on Civil War even though Sony has nothing to do with that movie, don't expect Marvel Studios to get a production credit on the 2017 film when they - as a corporate entity - have nothing to do with it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Like I said before what ever happens with marvel and sony I hope it all works out for the best and I can't wait to see how it plays out.

I don't see why marvel studios shouldn't get production credits on the solo film. It makes sense if they really want to use the mcu brand. To show the general audience this is a new day with spidey.

So it could go sony pictures presents a marvel studios production for opening. That is what I am curious to see.

 

[DigificWriter]

Why should a studio that has nothing whatsoever to do with the production of a film receive a production credit on said film?

Marvel Studios should only get a production credit on the 2017 film if Sony gets a production credit on Civil War.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Regardless of the wording used in the press release, the articles that reported on the specifics of the deal made it clear that neither studio has any involvement in the other's films that feature Spider-Man.

Unless Marvel Studios gives Sony a production credit on Civil War even though Sony has nothing to do with that movie, don't expect Marvel Studios to get a production credit on the 2017 film when they - as a corporate entity - have nothing to do with it.

There's no way either Sony or Marvel agreed to let each other do whatever the heck they want. They WILL have input on each other's projects. It's really rather ridiculous to think otherwise. I don't mean this as a personal attack, it's just that sometimes the things you assert as fact make no logical sense.

 

[DigificWriter]

There's no way either Sony or Marvel agreed to let each other do whatever the heck they want. They WILL have input on each other's projects. It's really rather ridiculous to think otherwise. I don't mean this as a personal attack, it's just that sometimes the things you assert as fact make no logical sense.

I assert these things as facts because they ARE facts, even if you don't think they make logical sense.

You and others are seriously starting to remind me of the hardline political pundits who look at hard scientific data detailing the very real dangers of climate change and yet somehow come away thinking that climate change doesn't exist.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well if sony wants the buzz and make rating of this spidey is mcu spidey. Again no reason both studios shouldn't have credits in the film.

 

[DigificWriter]

Well if sony wants the buzz and make rating of this spidey is mcu spidey. Again no reason both studios shouldn't have credits in the film.

A production company only receives a credit on a movie if they had something to do with its production.

You don't see the Walt Disney Pictures logo attached to Marvel Studios films, and you know why you don't? Because that branch of the Disney media empire has no involvement in the production of Marvel Studios' films.

This 2017 film will have a Marvel logo attached to it, but it won't be the Marvel Studios one.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well I guess then the real question is how much the company marvel is on the solo film. I was only getting at with spidey in the mcu now. It would be ideal be ideal to have the marvel studios logo on it. And I am sure again sony would want the buzz and the marketing angle of the ms on the film. To help gain more general audience viewers.