BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 104

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, I didn't follow MOS too closely, but I remember there were 2 versions of the teaser. If BOF is hearing there's a "Batman heavy" teaser, maybe there's a Superman heavy one as well.

Anyone know how many trailers there were for MOS?

The teaser(s) with Jon Kent and Jor-el voice overs, the one with the music from Lord of the Rings, the 3 minute one with the Zimmer music, "You are not alone" with Arcade track and the big Nokia one. So six if you count the two teasers as separate even though both used the same visuals.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Come on, no one really cares how expensive the Watchtower is, surely. It's the first time I have seen someone mention that. BTW, in Morrison's JLA run, Batman mentions that Superman and J'onn could build another Watchtower in "15 minutes" I know that's crazy, but I don't think we are really meant to be questioning the Watchtower's existence, just like we don't question a high tech Batcave built entirely by Batman.

 

[Marvin]

Trillion dollars is a pretty conservative evaluation when it comes to the watchtower. The ISS cost 100 Billion and that's basically just a few corridors and rooms with basic labs. Watchtower is essentially a skyscraper in space.

Personally I think the watchtower is just too out there of a concept. I liked the fact that the JLU cartoon basically questioned it's existence as several military and civilian characters noted how ominous it was to have the equivalent of gods sitting up in space on a giant weaponized space station. It just feels saturday morning cartoonish to me. A floating space base.

I don't think a concept like the watch tower belongs in a universe like this, especially with what something like that does to the concept of solo films.

However, you keep comparing the cost and labor of building such a thing with what it would take men and resources in our world. Seemingly ignoring just how inexpensive it would be for people like mister near speed of light in the yellow booties and the lantern and gosh darn superman. It's a very different sort of scale of measure we are looking at here. Getting such a thing into space for instance would cost a large fortune in our world, getting it into space in this other world we are talking about would take a bunch of seconds and any one of 3 individuals...etc.

Not to mention the tech available in most incarnations of the dcu along with the engineering minds comic books allow for.

morrison jla all the way.

 

[Wise]

Once again though, what made getting the ISS as expensive as it is? The cost of A. the materials but mostly B. getting it into orbit. Building it and putting it up there are going to be a fraction with the talent and powers of the people involved I think. YMMV

I understand that, but we're talking about a building in space. It's essentially the most advanced building on earth after perhaps Starlabs and Lexcorp and it's floating in Space.

It's going top cost billions if not trillions. Consider that in the comics it features teleporters and an untold breadth of incredible technology.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I understand that, but we're talking about a building in space. It's essentially the most advanced building on earth after perhaps Starlabs and Lexcorp and it's floating in Space.

It's going top cost billions if not trillions. Consider that in the comics it features teleporters and an untold breadth of incredible technology.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one brotherman.

 

[Doc Ock]

morrison jla all the way.

Yeahhhhhhhhhh!

 

[craigdbfan]

I want the watch tower personally.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Watchtower would be so awesome and it'd be cheap and easy for Superman and Ww to build.
You're not supposed to think about the cost, with WW and Supes, the watchtower is totally doable

 

[matt47]

I want it too but I don't see them putting it in space.

 

[KillerWolf]

I understand that, but we're talking about a building in space. It's essentially the most advanced building on earth after perhaps Starlabs and Lexcorp and it's floating in Space.

It's going top cost billions if not trillions. Consider that in the comics it features teleporters and an untold breadth of incredible technology.

I agree that it's too far fetched to have Bruce Wayne build a station, but they could easily change what the Watchtower is in the movies, the same way Superman's "Fortress of Solitude" in MOS was in fact a scout ship.

It could at first be used by the antagonist from the Justice League movie to be seized and used by Justice League after his defeat. It could be a Brainiac's spaceship for example.

In my opinion, some kind of Watchtower is a must, because it: a) gives that SF feeling which many JL arcs essentially are and b) it emphasizes the fact that JL are protectors of Earth, which would be lost if the league were based in particular country.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think the League operating from a fortress in space is just the way things are with that team. They are truly the gods on Mount Olympus watching down on the mortal world. The issues it raises, this team taking on such responsibility ect. are not things that should be side stepped, but met head on. It's why the Cadmus Arc of JLU is so well thought of, I think.

 

[KillerWolf]

I think the League operating from a fortress in space is just the way things are with that team. They are truly the gods on Mount Olympus watching down on the mortal world. The issues it raises, this team taking on such responsibility ect. are not things that should be side stepped, but met head on. It's why the Cadmus Arc of JLU is so well thought of, I think.

Indeed. Well said.

And I would like to see reaction from people/government to the existence of the Watchtower. I like the way animated show handled that "issue". World should be reactionary in these movies to feel real. From what we've seen they're already doing it in BvS, so it wouldn't make sense for them to suddenly make population of Earth passive and okay with everything.

Some amount of skepticism and lack of trust that Superman has been target of in MOS and will be in BvS, should remain after JL is formed and be directed toward entire league.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think we may not even have a Watchtower or HQ of any sort until the end of JL part 2 anyway.

 

[Wise]

I agree that it's too far fetched to have Bruce Wayne build a station, but they could easily change what the Watchtower is in the movies, the same way Superman's "Fortress of Solitude" in MOS was in fact a scout ship.

It could at first be used by the antagonist from the Justice League movie to be seized and used by Justice League after his defeat. It could be a Brainiac's spaceship for example.

In my opinion, some kind of Watchtower is a must, because it: a) gives that SF feeling which many JL arcs essentially are and b) it emphasizes the fact that JL are protectors of Earth, which would be lost if the league were based in particular country.

I'd be open to something creative and believable like the Scoutship/Fortress situation.

There's been a few iterations of the Watchtower in the comics. Sometimes it's an orbital space station and other times it's a building on the moon.

I do like the way the watchtower insinuates and echos the Gods of Olympus motif that a lot of people associate with the Justice League.

But at the same time I'm concerned about a space station headquarters seeming hokey. I mean the Helicarrier just barely felt believable in Avengers and that series has a less realistic tone than MoS (Assuming that the future DCCU movies follow the same tone).

Hey I'm not opposed to it. I'm just saying that I don't think they're going to do it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Far too much is made of the tone of MOS and how some view it, especially in regards to how the rest of the DCCU is going to be. Sure, MOS wasn't a Saturday morning 1980's cartoon show, but there's lots of fantasy stuff going on. The grounding isn't about limiting the fantasy elements it's about things like making Lois seem like an actual modern day reporter working for a real live newspaper, or the government/military's response to powerful super aliens ect.

 

[KillerWolf]

I think we may not even have a Watchtower or HQ of any sort until the end of JL part 2 anyway.

That would be my guess too.

Also, maybe if they do decide to introduce Green Lantern late in the game, as it's been speculated, it could be somehow tied to him. With Green Lantern on the team, movie is bound to touch the subject of outer space and other species at some point anyway, even if Brainiac isn't the antagonist.

I'd be open to something creative and believable like the Scoutship/Fortress situation.

There's been a few iterations of the Watchtower in the comics. Sometimes it's an orbital space station and other times it's a building on the moon.

I do like the way the watchtower insinuates and echos the Gods of Olympus motif that a lot of people associate with the Justice League.

But at the same time I'm concerned about a space station headquarters seeming hokey. I mean the Helicarrier just barely felt believable in Avengers and that series has a less realistic tone than MoS (Assuming that the future DCCU movies follow the same tone).

Hey I'm not opposed to it. I'm just saying that I don't think they're going to do it.

I got ya.

And I completely understand your concern about it seeming hokey, but I really believe that it could be done without it seeming that way. It could be tied into the narrative of the Justice League plot. Actually I think that it should be.

Far too much is made of the tone of MOS and how some view it, especially in regards to how the rest of the DCCU is going to be. Sure, MOS wasn't a Saturday morning 1980's cartoon show, but there's lots of fantasy stuff going on. The grounding isn't about limiting the fantasy elements it's about things like making Lois seem like an actual modern day reporter working for a real live newspaper, or the government/military's response to powerful super aliens ect.

And this is perfectly said. I'm not accustomed to saving other peoples posts with intention of reposting them later on, but I'm going to save this one.

 

[DeadPresident]

Far too much is made of the tone of MOS and how some view it, especially in regards to how the rest of the DCCU is going to be. Sure, MOS wasn't a Saturday morning 1980's cartoon show, but there's lots of fantasy stuff going on. The grounding isn't about limiting the fantasy elements it's about things like making Lois seem like an actual modern day reporter working for a real live newspaper, or the government/military's response to powerful super aliens ect.

Far too much is made of any perceived negative aspect of MoS. But I agree with your post.

 

[ChrisB]

Teasers (Jor-El and Pa Kent narrated)-July 2012
Trailer #1-Decemeber 2012
Trailer #2-April 2013
"Fate of your Planet" trailer-May 2013
Nokia trailer-June 2013

Thanks! Fingers crossed this rumor about November/December turns out to be true.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Those last three MOS trailers are a murderers row.

 

[StarLord]

What about Trailer #3? That was the best one.

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[Charlatan]

Yeah I hope they have something for us soon. Even if it's just the comic con teaser in HD.

 

[matt47]

Nothing will ever beat the feeling I had when I first saw this -

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What about Trailer #3? That was the best one.

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That's part of the last three. The last was the Noki one, before that was the Fate of Your Planet, and this one was before that.

I can only hope that BvS can match them. What was great was that while they certainly had eye candy galore, we didn't see the whole film. In fact, all the trailers reuse a lot of visuals yet each felt unique despite that. For myself, I want the trailer to get me pumped for the film but not reveal every money shot and shocking moment. About the only misstep of the Avengers 1 trailer was letting the audience know about the Hulk catching Iron Man. Had they left that for the theater it would have had a much bigger impact for me on my first viewing.

 

[Broseph44]

Nothing will ever beat the feeling I had when I first saw this -

Hell yes, and the music along with it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'd be happy if we got Edgar Wright for Flash.