BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - Part 109

[Naked Shia]

it does make sense when you think about it.

 

[harryoscop]

Whoa! life's been busy for me lately turning 17, and all. so... what I miss?

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

a picture of the DC Trinity together is a great teaser already, no one would care if they release a teaser very late in 2015.

 

[Naked Shia]

yeah Harryoscop, happy birthday, and check for that picture of the trinity, what a great birthday present!

 

[Charlatan]

a picture of the DC Trinity together is a great teaser already, no one would care if they release a teaser very late in 2015.

what? where?

 

[Naked Shia]

he's not saying there is one, he's saying it would be a great teaser if they did release this kind of picture.

 

[Zionite1]

Sorry... That seems severely under powered to take on even the New 52 League in live action. Not to mention the fights and showdowns in the finale would seem kinda one sided. You need some powerhouse characters, maybe two each to take on a 6-7 man roster League. I mean, you've got Cheetah and Deathstroke, as the most physically powerful members... Sorry but for the big screen, there needs to be some visual oomph and this team doesn't provide that, nor does it seem like they are powerful enough to directly confront the heroes. This seems more like a team of masterminds... And no to Joker or Harely in the Legion.

Agreed

My legion of Doom lineup would be

Deathstroke
Kobra
Metallo
Bizarro
Cheetah
Black Manta

Braniac as the mastermind behind the Legion

 

[DeadPresident]

Sorry... That seems severely under powered to take on even the New 52 League in live action. Not to mention the fights and showdowns in the finale would seem kinda one sided. You need some powerhouse characters, maybe two each to take on a 6-7 man roster League. I mean, you've got Cheetah and Deathstroke, as the most physically powerful members... Sorry but for the big screen, there needs to be some visual oomph and this team doesn't provide that, nor does it seem like they are powerful enough to directly confront the heroes. This seems more like a team of masterminds... And no to Joker or Harely in the Legion.

They should go all out on a Legion movie.

If it has to be members used in source material I'd go:

Lex Luthor/Brainiac
Captain Cold
Black Manta
Solomon Grundy
Sinestro
Cheetah
Metallo

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

he's not saying there is one, he's saying it would be a great teaser if they did release this kind of picture.

 

[Naked Shia]

Whoa! life's been busy for me lately turning 17, and all. so... what I miss?

I'm sorry to see you got prob'ed. What an awful birthday present!

 

[Fallen Angel]

What they should do is reveal the synopsis before the end of the year.

 

[Pickleweasel]

What they should do is reveal the synopsis before the end of the year.

We'll probably get a sentence or 2 when filming wraps

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Whoa! life's been busy for me lately turning 17, and all. so... what I miss?

Happy Birthday.

 

[Fallen Angel]

We'll probably get a sentence or 2 when filming wraps

I can see it now...Batman and Superman fight see ya in 2016.

 

[Rapunzel]

I can see it now...Batman and Superman fight see ya in 2016.

Or...... It's Justice. At Dawn. A year from now.

 

[SiegePerilous]

My ideal Legion of Doom:
Lex
The Joker
Cheetah
Captain Cold
Black Manta
Sinestro (if he and GL show up in Part 2)
Brainiac

Kind of predictable, but since this is likely the only time we'd be getting the Legion in a big budget film, I think they should try to get all their respective arch nemeses. Go big or go home.

Cheetah, Manta and Cold are proven viable threats to their respective heroes, but they would need another Superman villain to provide a physical threat for Clark. Brainiac has doubled as a cerebral and a physical villain in the past, so he could fill that role. If not, they could have Lex use Bizarro, Metallo or (God help us) Doomsday as his muscle.

 

[terry78]

That entire team is just being set up to backstab each other at some point. None of them really play well with others except maybe Cold.

 

[SiegePerilous]

That entire team is just being set up to backstab each other at some point. None of them really play well with others except maybe Cold.

True, but I actually fully expect the villains to try to screw each other over at some point. In the comics, supervillain teams seem to make more than one appearance with the same lineup despite all logic. This could be a "one and done" deal though, with them never deciding to team up again after the inevitable betrayals.

Plus if Brainiac is involved, it's kind of a given that he's going to try to screw the entire human race over, including the villains.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why did harryoscorp get a prob ban? Granted, he's a little, umm, green, but he usually has a good temper.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why did harryoscorp get a prob ban? Granted, he's a little, umm, green, but he usually has a good temper.

Good question.

 

[regwec]

At the risk of being Batman-centric, I think The Riddler should be included. The LoD can't match the JL for brains, but it can for devious intelligence.

 

[Rapunzel]

Conversation seems to be lagging, so I'll just put this out there: I watched Watchmen for the first time two weeks ago and liked it a lot. Nice job, Synder!

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Why did harryoscorp get a prob ban? Granted, he's a little, umm, green, but he usually has a good temper.

 

[Tra-El]

Conversation seems to be lagging, so I'll just put this out there: I watched Watchmen for the first time two weeks ago and liked it a lot. Nice job, Synder!

Believe it or not, I have yet to watch Watchmen! I have the Directors Cut but haven't had the chance at ALL to sit down and see it. Definitely on my lists of must-watches here soon.

 

[Iceman]

That's just it... I like most of Phase One, but IM and A1 are the real stand out for me with Thor 1 getting an honorable mention. It was good, not great, which is how I would on balance give as a grade to Phase One in general. A1 was spectacular to me but that's why it sticks out so much in comparison to all the other films. Now later films have been a bit more solid, even when I haven't liked them, and made more money. That's kind of what I mean. If they (WB/DCE) can make these first few films across the board REALLY good, then it's almost like the DCCU skipped it's growing pains stages and got right into it's phase three in a flash. To further elucidate... Imagine that the Cap franchise had STARTED with a film of the quality of TWS? Imagine INCREDIBLE HULK being as goo as the Hulk portions of A1 from the giddy-up? That's what I mean. I kind of think there's a good possibility that this DCCU can't afford the "growing pains" that the MCU had. Looking at the rumors surrounding the DC slate (going for Hardy, Smith, Leto... Going for Bigelow for Mclaren, having Terrio on board for BvS and JL...) it seems that they are doing their damndest to leap frog into where Marvel is now with their characters and BO clout. That might be risky or it might be the moves that will establish WB as being firmly in the CBM business.

I agree exactly on Phase One. Marvel have totally succeeded in establishing an amazing property with an unprecedented film Universe connecting all these different characters, but they've managed to do it with a load of films I'd rate at 7s and 8s out of 10 with 1 or 2 6.5s thrown in. Overall good Phase One with IM 1 the standout and Avengers a big success for getting the 1st combo team superhero film out without failing, and doing great numbers. And I think Thor would have been on the same level without Earth scenes or if the Earth scenes had somehow been of the same quality as the Asgard ones. TWS is the 1st time I’ve seen the Cap I’ve really wanted from the MCU and that film along with GotG has given me a lot of hope for their future films (along with what looks like an awesome slate) especially as I expect AoU to be their best effort to date by a fair way being Whedon’s real passion project.

But like you say there was no reason why every film couldn’t be on IM1 level and had that been the case we’d be seeing that much more of a phenomenon now. So I agree that DC can skip forward on a critical basis if they use something like Batman Begins as a base standard and TDK as a target (or switch them around depending on personal preference).

As for financial parity they can generate something similar to an Avengers boost post BvS if ALL their 1st few films achieve this (and whatever anyone’s opinions on MoS, they need a more conclusive all around positivity than it achieved). But I still don’t think they’ll catch up financially worldwide for a long time as many of the growing overseas markets won’t get something like Suicide Squad in the same way even if it’s awesome. It just seems to take more time and multiple franchise sequels for awareness to really spread there (although they are loyal and don’t seem to suffer fatigue even when the franchises start turning crap – momentum is king). But WB/DC can only do what they can do from here on out and that means really shooting for the top in their 1st phase of films and taking risks that the MCU didn't need to.