Ok...Holy ****.
We never got a real Robin on screen. I'd like to see a teenage Tim Drake and adult Nightwing with Batfleck.
Fair enough. For me personally having a Robin diminishes the aura Batman has. A lot of the renditions I've seen require that Robin "messes up" and it keeps meaning Bruce needs to rescue him. Rather than that they're a symbiotic duo that augment each other.
I'd definitely say you're in the minority
I figured as much. I like a lot of the Robin characters from comics and cartoons, but I feel like adapting it to film is likely to bomb. It would have to be executed perfectly.
If it's like the Nolan series, then yes, it wouldn't make much sense, but if its more fantastical(which I hope this universe is), than I would love to see a proper Robin. Why not?
I'm so glad the Nolan movies are done.
I have misgivings about how it would be handled. Like I mentioned before, if they go the route of having a kid that messes up and Bruce needs to rescue him constantly I wouldn't be into it. If they go the "boy wonder" angle and make Robin/Nightwing on par with Bruce but more rash it could be cool.
I can't say whether you are or aren't... But I certainly would very much like to see a Batman film with a truly under 18 years old Robin. Follow his story, show him training with Batman... I don't really think it's quite the stretch of the suspension of disbelief simply because EVERYTHING about Batman is about the suspension of disbelief. If presented the right way, I think Robin could work and you wouldn't have to have an actor in his 20's playing the part. Dick is Bruce's TRUE son, and so the connection has to be made when he's young. I am for it, though I get some people's problems with the concept as a whole.
Fair points. The idea that Bruce, who has the loss of human life as one of his primary concerns, would take a kid out into excessively dangerous situations just goes completely against the serious characterization that the good films have had IMO. I'm not completely against it, but on balance of odds I feel like it's more likely that it wouldn't pan out well.
Dick Grayson is the man. I will be depressed if we don't see him on film. I urge you to read Dark Victory and Robin Year One ASAP.
Also, watch Robin's Reckoning Part 1 and 2
Get back to me.
I'll look out for those. I've seen a fair bit of Robin iterations, but I'd probably adjust my opinion if I go through some different material. I prefer Tim Drake's conflicted relationship to be honest, all of Batman's relationships are imperfect. For me that's kind of the entire point of his tenure as Batman, Grayson has always come off like an artificial attempt to lighten Batman's burden. I'm probably wrong, but that's just what I've picked up.
We might be a minority, but I'm with you. I'm just not that into Robin. I prefer batman to be a lone wolf sort of character when he's not with the JL and even his JL interactions require effort to flow smoothly.
That's just what I've seen most often, and if I'm honest I feel like Batman's character is often weaker when he has a younger Robin accompanying him.
Nobody should misunderstand, I get that Bruce's conflict over endangering a youth's life, leading someone down the same lonesome path, etc is conflicting with his need for a companion/friend/son of a sort and that's the point. I just haven't liked a lot of the Robin characterizations I've seen.
If they have to include Robin I'd prefer if it was an OP version that's never in any danger and just wrecks everything he comes up against.
So long as he's in his late teens for me, I'd be fine with it, but a kid version doesn't work for me. When introduced to this Batman, I'm hoping to see (or hear about for now, but see later) Nightwing, Barbara still as Batgirl (and later do the whole Killing Joke scene and from there spin her off into Birds of Prey where we can really tackle her dealing with her new situation) and late teens Tim Drake Robin that will later become Red Robin. But I wouldn't be disappointed to not see Robin in there. The first two are the important ones to me.
I'd probably agree. The kid version just seems implausible to me in reconciling it with what I consider Batman's personality to be. It just makes little sense for him to endanger a kid when the entire point of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman was to save lives. Having him endanger a kid just contradicts that crux of his character completely.
An adolescent/young man Robin/Nightwing? I could see that.
Batman needs an heir, and I'd love to see a full grown Richard Grayson, who was trained in his youth, and only started supervised venturing once he became 18.
I'd have no issue with that, and I definitely agree with your first statement. The fledgling kid finding his feet just doesn't seem realistic to me. It's fine for cartoons and comics, but any vaguely realistic movie with a 13 year old boy running around dodging gun fire and jumping from roofs? I'm not sure I could suspend my disbelief that far. It's not a realism thing as much as it's the psychological implications for Batman's character I guess.
