BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - Part 188

[Jekecy]

So you're saying B&R is the most pure Batman?

Character wise there was nothing particularly wrong about Clooney's iteration. So in many ways, yes.

 

[WitchTrialz]

No. Their contrast is not going to be that Superman will kill his enemies, and Batman won't. Bruce does not trust the danger of this powerful alien being now known as Superman. That's the conflict. Maybe the man of murder jokes has clouded some thinking in here. Very rarely do I see a MrsKent post I disagree with

Killing Zod was the exception to the rule. It was the last resort. Superman will have a reluctance to ever turn to that amount of force again. Batman can still be the one that goes further with the human scum than Superman ever would. That doesn't change because Superman dealt with a Kryptonian that was going to wipe out the human race.

I would actually like this contrast so that down the line we get a justice league movie where batman takes the kill shot on Darkseid. That way it's more imapctful. I KNOW I KNOW, final crisis is not a popular arch. It still feels very iconic to me.

 

[WitchTrialz]

Character wise there was nothing particularly wrong about Clooney's iteration. So in many ways, yes.

A bat CREDIT CARD!!!

No but seriously he did okay but I think the seriously underrated batman was Val Kilmer. There were actually some really awesome moments in Batman Forever.
Like when bats is grabbing robins hand to pull him up to safety.
I know this is going to read weirdly when I type it, but imagine if forevers Robin was a small boy. It would have been such a powerful moment to see Bruce caring for this kid like that. It's been said time and time again that schmacher would have made a very good batman film if given more freedom.

 

[MrsKent26]

No. Their contrast is not going to be that Superman will kill his enemies, and Batman won't. Bruce does not trust the danger of this powerful alien being now known as Superman. That's the conflict. Maybe the man of murder jokes has clouded some thinking in here. Very rarely do I see a MrsKent post I disagree with

Killing Zod was the exception to the rule. It was the last resort. Superman will have a reluctance to ever turn to that amount of force again. Batman can still be the one that goes further with the human scum than Superman ever would. That doesn't change because Superman dealt with a Kryptonian that was going to wipe out the human race.

That's not what I meant. I wish you'd just asked me for clarification.

I am well aware of the circumstances of Zod's death.

What I meant is that superman has been in a situation that required killing and batman, in contrast, hasn't (if they choose to do it that way). And perhaps batman is harsh on supes for a number of reasons and one of those could be related to superman killing.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

That's not what I meant. I wish you'd just asked me for clarification.

I am well aware of the circumstances of Zod's death.

What I meant is that superman has been in a situation that required killing and batman, in contrast, hasn't (if they choose to do it that way). And perhaps batman is harsh on supes for a number of reasons and one of those could be related to superman killing.

Still not digging this reasoning. I really don't want Batman to be harsh on Superman for killing Zod. I think it messes up a proven dynamic. I'd rather they take the route of separating how Superman dealt with a Kryptonian, and how he wishes to prove he would never hurt a HUMAN life. Batman could still go further in how to deal with human criminals, where Superman does not approve of his handling of them.

 

[EEK]

What I meant is that superman has been in a situation that required killing and batman, in contrast, hasn't (if they choose to do it that way). And perhaps batman is harsh on supes for a number of reasons and one of those could be related to superman killing.

Yuck!

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I agree with you, MrsKent26

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Batman:You shouldn't have killed your enemy Zod. It makes you just as bad. Superman: Maybe if you killed the Joker, your sidekick would still be alive. *burn*

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

batman is harsh on supes for a number of reasons and one of those could be related to superman killing.

Batman being mad at him or serving some blame for the Kryptonian invasion would be fine. I don't think him lecturing Superman on killing Zod would work for me though. Batman being the one who will cross the line, and Superman being the one who pulls back against humans would work better character wise.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

So you're saying B&R is the most pure Batman?

Character wise there was nothing particularly wrong about Clooney's iteration. So in many ways, yes.

Batman & Robin is now officially the best Batman movie.

 

[Nemeres]

It makes for more interesting writing to find ways for the heroes to uphold their "no killing" rule than to find excuses for them to break them. The latter's easy.

 

[MrsKent26]

Batman:You shouldn't have killed your enemy Zod. It makes you just as bad. Superman: Maybe if you killed the Joker, your sidekick would still be alive. *burn*

That's essentially what I mean.

There are two schools of thought that emerge when discussing killing villains vs not killing them. Superman saved lives by killing Zod. If he'd flown away with Zod or any of those suggestions Mos detractors concoct to avoid the Zod killing, it would have caused more human deaths.

But then there's the notion that killing an enemy is lowering oneself to the enemy's level. According to some (idealists, if you ask me) killing is never allowed as no one has the right to judge who lives and dies.

 

[WoodyROM]

So we're all in agreement that B&R is the best Batman on film, yes?

 

[Kane52630]

 

[roach]

So you're saying B&R is the most pure Batman?

Technically Batman killed originally

 

[Micromind]

Batman & Robin is now officially the best Batman movie.

* Runs to get that B&R Bluray *

 

[Broseph44]

We are still on this Batman killing or not killing crap?

 

[Mark5878]

Has anyone here ever read a book called Batman and Philosophy: The Dark Knight of the Soul? I haven't read it yet but I've skimmed through it and it looks really interesting. There are chapters on whether Batman should kill the Joker, whether the Joker should be considered morally accountable for his actions, should Bruce Wayne have become Batman or found other ways to help people, and so forth.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

* Runs to get that B&R Bluray *

Well done.

We are still on this Batman killing or not killing crap?

No, we are on the verge of entering "Batman & Robin is the best CBM ever made" discussion.

 

[John Locke]

We are still on this Batman killing or not killing crap?

We're Batfans, we can't let it die. It's our one rule.

 

[Aejej]

* Runs to get that B&R Bluray *

I never even bought it on VHS. #rimshot

 

[Broseph44]

Well done.

No, we are on the verge of entering "Batman & Robin is the best CBM ever made" discussion.

That's even worse. Haha

We're Batfans, we can't let it die. It's our one rule.

 

[Gee]

We're Batfans, we can't let it die. It's our one rule.

Will we consider breaking it, though?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

 

[Lily Adler]

Dat headbob.