All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion

[roach]

Hmm... I could see that work.

Though that would mean training a hardened warriors for battle, without them learning to embrace death that comes as an outcome. I must admit that I am not very fond of that, because embracing death in battle was a very prominent teaching in every militaristic society in history and I'd like to see that here too.

True but we are dealing with a fictional society.

Hell make it a plot point where Ares breaks out and disrupts the anti death wards and the Amazons now have to deal with death

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Really?
Goddammmit...the story of my career...a day late and a dollar short

And Ares escaping the Island is the plot of the 2009 animated movie, he just doesn't escape from Tartarus but a prison on the island, and their role is to keep him imprisoned.

Sorry, bud.

On the other hand, there's a huge chance they'll do that on the movie, since it has become basic canon (The Gates of Tartarus part).

 

[Mad Love]

Well, the man in the panel is Zeus, right? (it's been a while since I've read Azzarello's run)

Eagle is often tied to Zeus in Hellenic mythology so I guess that the eagle crest and feather-like cloak have something to do with him, whether as a symbol of Themyscira, since he is a central deity of their society or with Diana herself, as she is Zeus' daughter.

What I mean is the gods each have a sacred bird motif that's part of mythology. Maybe they gave Diana one too.

Zeus: Eagle / Hera: Peacock / Ares: Vulture / Athena: Owl / Hermes: Hawk / First Born: Raven

 

[Mad Love]

I had thought a lot about it it never made sense to me having this group of hardened warriors on an island. If you are putting them on an island no one can get to there's no real need to be trained warriors.
I came up with an idea that Paradise Island was a prison or a vault and that the amazons were the guards....like the island was the entrance to Tartarus and if anyone tried to get out...they'd have to fight a legion of well trained amazons.
So if someone breaks out...like Ares or Hades and escapes to Man's World then we have a greater reason for Diana to leave Man's World. Bringing Trevor back is not a strong reason for a movie...averting Armageddon by greek god is.

It makes sense because they were hardened warriors before they arrived and settled at Themyscira. Their history of being attacked by Hercules reminds them to keep vigilant and trained against threats.

 

[Snow Queen]

When it comes to Ares, I'd rather see a more Azzarello-ish version. Just would be a little more unique and interesting, I think.

 

[Jonwo]

I think if they went for an Azzarello Ares, I think John Hurt or Bill Nighy would work quite well.

 

[KillerWolf]

Bill Nighy would be perfect.

 

[Bwahaha!]

I had thought a lot about it it never made sense to me having this group of hardened warriors on an island. If you are putting them on an island no one can get to there's no real need to be trained warriors.
I came up with an idea that Paradise Island was a prison or a vault and that the amazons were the guards....like the island was the entrance to Tartarus and if anyone tried to get out...they'd have to fight a legion of well trained amazons.
So if someone breaks out...like Ares or Hades and escapes to Man's World then we have a greater reason for Diana to leave Man's World. Bringing Trevor back is not a strong reason for a movie...averting Armageddon by greek god is.

The 2009 animated movie blended both storylines: Trevor crashlanding on PI, and Ares escaping. And it worked beautifully. They should adapt the animated film.

 

[KillerWolf]

Yeah, it was good. If I had any complaint, it would be that it was too short.

 

[Snow Queen]

I think if they went for an Azzarello Ares, I think John Hurt or Bill Nighy would work quite well.

My first instinct was Jonathan Banks but those two could work very well.

 

[John-An]

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@Lord_Benjie Yes I am indeed. A lot of work getting done #WW

 

[John-An]

Yeah, their relationship has potential to really be good. He has that ''man'' pride though, and it would hurt at first that he can't protect her, but it would be great to see him accept the fact of her ''saving him'' if the moment comes.

But having one scene as the 2009 animated film where he "saves" her and then seeing the consequences of that from Diana would be priceless.

I wonder how much longer the sword on her back is. I imagine it can't be too long since Gadot did dual wielding swords training.

It would be crazy if we saw her switching fighting styles: lasso and sword , sword and shield, dual swords.

Superman and Batman have their cape porn. Wondie's got hair porn.

She may have both

I want this move of hers in a movie. Any movie.

I want her to do this to Superman

I wish I could say yes, but... Nah... I think it's possible for the Julia and Vanessa to perhaps be in the mix or a version of Etta Candy but I aint too sure about Donna or Cassie, though Artemis/Aleka could be a supporting character.

Logline: A woman from the closely guarded amazon homeland of Paradise Island travels to the outside world and becomes Wonder Woman.
Studio/Distributor: Warner Bros. Pictures
Production Company: DC Entertainment, Atlas Entertainment, Cruel & Unusual Films
Producers: Charles Roven, Zack Snyder, Deborah Snyder
Writer: Jason Fuchs, Michael Goldenberg, Becky Johnston, Kimberlee Reed, Jon Cohen
Director: Patty Jenkins
Cast: Gal Gadot
Notes: Based on the comic book “Wonder Woman” written by William Moulton Marston published by DC Comics.

Some seem familiar with the character's past

So it's definitely an origin then. Alright, glad to hear it. So it'll be a BVS prequel, just hopefully not a period piece.

YES!!!!

I'm far more interested in seeing the politics and world of paradise island over a modern or period setting.

Me too!!

Then they could just not talk and stay quiet. If they change it, I rather it be more like a telepathic link that allows her to see inside their mind and find the truth, but I don't really see why that's any better than how it already is. It's still magic either way.

Interesting.

Or I vaguely recall a fan (?) theory that the lasso has never been a magical item, but Diana's force of will intimidates anyone bound by the lasso such that they tell the truth. It's Diana's version of Batman's preferred method of dangling someone off the top of a building.

That's nice one. But I prefer magic

Ivan Reitman was supposed to direct a Wonder Woman movie at some point? That's weird. I wonder what his take was.

Me too or if he has good ideas for her now...

The DCCU isn't ever going to be like Harry Potter or Disney movies, but the fact that they're developing Shazam and Justice League Dark, not to mention using magic-based characters like Wonder Woman and Enchantress, gives me hope that they'll adapt some of the more fantastical corners of the DCU to the big screen. A large portion of the fun of a big shared universe comes from seeing wildly different parts of that universe interacting. I hope WB sees it the same way I do.

Can't agree more.

I, like some others, really hope they don't shoehorn themselves with this all magic is alien tech "ancient aliens" mumbo jumbo. It's getting pretty tedious at this point.

Me too. Magic has no explanation.

There's really no way around it. Magic has to be a thing in the DCU with the characters they announced. If people want an explanation, then they could say there is no explanation because it's a realm of physics outside human understanding and that's that.

This!!!

I have always liked when WW has had the cape on. It's not a permanent thing I want to see on her all the time, but I like her to have variations and accessories to what ever her standard outfit is.

I can't wait to see her full wardrobe

 

[John-An]

Maybe her cloak has the bird theme from Azzarello's take.

Indeed it has similarities..

Yeah, same here. And I am actually glad because of this. Wonder Woman is a character I never wanted to view that way, so I am glad there won't be "distractions" of the kind. Now, Catwoman on the other hand... t:

Good for you.. I would be delighted and attentive at the same time

I had thought a lot about it it never made sense to me having this group of hardened warriors on an island. If you are putting them on an island no one can get to there's no real need to be trained warriors.
I came up with an idea that Paradise Island was a prison or a vault and that the amazons were the guards....like the island was the entrance to Tartarus and if anyone tried to get out...they'd have to fight a legion of well trained amazons.
So if someone breaks out...like Ares or Hades and escapes to Man's World then we have a greater reason for Diana to leave Man's World. Bringing Trevor back is not a strong reason for a movie...averting Armageddon by greek god is.

Good one..

There still remains one problem I have with Amazons being an immortal all-female society, though. They have to procreate. Other way, if you have a limited and unchanging number of warriors that are supposed to fight and die in battle, sooner or later they're going to become extinct.
Actually, returning to aforementioned "Wonder Woman" animated film, it is the exact thought I had in mind when watching the final battle and so many Amazons falling in it - a genocide of Amazon nation.

It has an explanation. Over the years on New 52 (Azzarello's run) Amazons had childs with sailors and if they had boys they rejected to one of the Greek god that make Wonder Woman's weapons, if it was a girl well, more amazons...

That take would really be interesting and depth enough to have dramatics scenarios and maybe Diana want to change that tradition with longterm amazons not being happy about it like in that run where the male amazons participated on the fight against First Born.

Then it could lead to many, many scenarios. It depends on which ones they decide.

It makes sense because they were hardened warriors before they arrived and settled at Themyscira. Their history of being attacked by Hercules reminds them to keep vigilant and trained against threats.

When it comes to Ares, I'd rather see a more Azzarello-ish version. Just would be a little more unique and interesting, I think.

It would be and if it has a plot twist, it would be even greater.

The 2009 animated movie blended both storylines: Trevor crashlanding on PI, and Ares escaping. And it worked beautifully. They should get inspiration from the animated film.

Fixed

 

[Snow Queen]

It would be and if it has a plot twist, it would be even greater.

Reminds me of an idea I had at one point for the first WW film in this universe. An origin movie where the villain is set up to be Ares only for it to be revealed that Ares in this universe is the "tired of being the god of war" Azzarello version and really Strife/Eris is the one causing the problem that was thought to be Ares.

 

[KillerWolf]

Reminds me of an idea I had at one point for the first WW film in this universe. An origin movie where the villain is set up to be Ares only for it to be revealed that Ares in this universe is the "tired of being the god of war" Azzarello version and really Strife/Eris is the one causing the problem that was thought to be Ares.

I like this.

 

[KillerWolf]

It has an explanation. Over the years on New 52 (Azzarello's run) Amazons had childs with sailors and if they had boys they rejected to one of the Greek gods that make Wonder Woman's weapons, if it was a girl well, more amazons...

That take would really be interesting and depth enough to have dramatics scenarios and maybe Diana want to change that tradition with longterm amazons not being happy about it like in that run where the male amazons participated on the fight against First Born.

Then it could lead to many, many scenarios. It depends on which ones they decide.

Yeah, I believe I mentioned that in one of the previous posts. Though I'm really not fan of that part of Azzarello's run. And I don't think it would really work in the DCCU. Once Themyscira becomes known to the outside world, sooner or later someone would put two and two together, realize that Amazons are seducing and slaughtering sailors and will drop a nuke on that bunch of pirating sociopaths. t:

 

[haephestus]

It has an explanation. Over the years on New 52 (Azzarello's run) Amazons had childs with sailors and if they had boys they rejected to one of the Greek gods that make Wonder Woman's weapons, if it was a girl well, more amazons...

Personally, I really disliked that aspect of the New52 Amazons. I would much prefer to see the more commonly presented "idealised" society of Themyscira where each and every Amazon is taught to strive for excellence in all areas, whether it's cooking, sewing, martial arts or sword fighting.

That doesn't mean that all of the Amazons have to be perfect. There can be differences of opinion. There can be arguments. There can be conflict. But, I don't think the Amazons need to be reduced to rapists, murderers and (male) baby dumpers.

There are plenty of potential conflicts between Wonder Woman and the Amazons without relying upon the New52 reboot.

Diana could be angry that the Amazons didn't actively assist Superman (and humanity) in saving the world during the events of the Man of Steel (and throughout history). The Amazons could see Diana as abandoning Themyscira when she takes up superheroics and seek to have Hippolyta exile Diana from the island or at least strip her of her royal title. Some Amazons could want to follow Diana's lead and leave Themyscira for man's world, either to blend peacefully with society or to seek to subjucate mankind who they perceive as being weak and unfit as world leaders.

 

[John-An]

What I mean is the gods each have a sacred bird motif that's part of mythology. Maybe they gave Diana one too.

Zeus: Eagle / Hera: Peacock / Ares: Vulture / Athena: Owl / Hermes: Hawk / First Born: Raven

Wow. that's nice analisis.

Wonder which bird is she. I bet she's representing eagle

 

[KillerWolf]

Personally, I really disliked that aspect of the New52 Amazons. I would much prefer to see the more commonly presented "idealised" society of Themyscira where each and every Amazon is taught to strive for excellence in all areas, whether it's cooking, sewing, martial arts or sword fighting.

That doesn't mean that all of the Amazons have to be perfect. There can be differences of opinion. There can be arguments. There can be conflict. But, I don't think the Amazons need to be reduced to rapists, murderers and (male) baby dumpers.

There are plenty of potential conflicts between Wonder Woman and the Amazons without relying upon the New52 reboot.

Diana could be angry that the Amazons didn't actively assist Superman (and humanity) in saving the world during the events of the Man of Steel (and throughout history). The Amazons could see Diana as abandoning Themyscira when she takes up superheroics and seek to have Hippolyta exile Diana from the island or at least strip her of her royal title. Some Amazons could want to follow Diana's lead and leave Themyscira for man's world, either to blend peacefully with society or to seek to subjucate mankind who they perceive as being weak and unfit as world leaders.

I agree completely. And such conflicts have been depicted in pre-New 52 comics, so it's not like they don't have source to draw influence from.

By the way, you quoted the wrong person.

 

[haephestus]

By the way, you quoted the wrong person.

Whoops! I think I've fixed it. Apologies to both you and John-An.

 

[KillerWolf]

No problem at all mate.

 

[John-An]

Reminds me of an idea I had at one point for the first WW film in this universe. An origin movie where the villain is set up to be Ares only for it to be revealed that Ares in this universe is the "tired of being the god of war" Azzarello version and really Strife/Eris is the one causing the problem that was thought to be Ares.

I wonder if they will use First Born in the series... It was a great villain.

Yeah, I believe I mentioned that in one of the previous posts. Though I'm really not fan of that part of Azzarello's run. And I don't think it would really work in the DCCU. Once Themyscira becomes known to the outside world, sooner or later someone would put two and two together, realize that Amazons are seducing and slaughtering sailors and will drop a nuke on that bunch of pirating sociopaths. t:

Well, not everybody is perfect And it will show that they had a "stain" in their past. then Wonder Woman changed them. It will have some depth and dramatic moments between humanity with Wonder Woman if they notice and conflicts between Amazons and Diana. That's the thing Diana will want to change. And remember they can adapt to a movie version and not putting it exactly like in the comics, or mix it. I'm not saying this will be the best option or it will be the movie version, but it could be a nice explanation of Amazons being girls. Or magic will be involved again in this Clay, Clay

 

[KillerWolf]

Well, not everybody is perfect And it will show that they had a "stain" in their past. then Wonder Woman changed them. It will have some depth and dramatic moments between humanity with Wonder Woman if they notice and conflicts between Amazons and Diana. That's the thing Diana will want to change. And remember they can adapt to a movie version and not putting it exactly like in the comics, or mix it. I'm not saying this will be the best option or it will be the movie version, but it could be a nice explanation of Amazons being girls. Or magic will be involved again in this Clay, Clay

There's quite a difference between being imperfect and being chauvinistic, mass-murdering sociopath and rapist, who discards male newborns like they're old clothes. And doing so for centuries. If that's what an entire nation of Themyscira is, then I was only half-joking about the nuke.

Of course Diana would try to change them, but at that point I'd feel that Amazons are beyond redemption, that they don't deserve to be given a free pass and should most definitely face the consequences of casually killing so many innocent people. I liked Diana in Azzarello's run very much, but I couldn't stand his Amazons.

I get where you're coming from, but unless they want to go into direction of Themyscira being a horrible place Diana strives to leave behind (which might work in the boundaries of a certain, a bit different, vision and to which I wouldn't object by default, though I'd prefer a version of Themyscira that is not hell on Earth), then this is not the right explanation. If Themyscira and Amazons are supposed to be in the least likable and able to resonate with the audience in a good way, this explanation is simply not the one that should be used.

 

[John-An]

Yeah, I concur
I have to clarify that I don't think it's the best explanation, but maybe with some modifications, maybe taking out the killing part and only putting them as flirty as her god Zeus

In all seriousness What if Amazons are made of Clay and blessed by the gods in this while Diana is the daughter of the king of those gods

I know unlikely. but which other explanation, besides of the "villain sirens" do we have

 

[haephestus]

I know unlikely. but which other explanation, besides of the "villain sirens" do we have

Couldn't they just be the traditionally ageless Amazons as long as they reside on Themyscira?

IF the rumours about Wonder Woman being immortal are true (or at the very least, aging very gracefully if she's popping up throughout over the course of hundreds of years of history), then the other Amazons could similarly be immortal. It could be a "gift" bestowed by the Greek gods, a happy side effect of the "magical" properties of Themyscira, the result of advanced science developed by the Amazons (e.g. the Purple Healing Ray), extremely slow aging due to their unique biology or some other explanation.

Wonder Woman would still be "special" and "unique" by virtue of the fact that she's a demi-goddess.