Amazing Spider-Man ARTISTS and ART

[CantThinkOfAName]

Come on, TMOB. You know you're wrong!

Like that cute little death of Gwen Stacy story was fine for it's time. But now? Come on! Absolutely nothing compared to the modern masterpiece: One More Day!

Writer's ability to tell comic book deaths has greatly improved these days. Like how MJ randomly got blown up in a plane. Now that is how you tell a comic book death.

 

[CConn]

Most of the big guns can't even produce a book on a monthly basis, let alone illustrating three books in a month.

Most of ASM's artists are very good, they don't suck at all and I appreciate the fact that lesser known talents get to show their stuff on Spider-Man.

I wouldn't suggest that a big name artist work on the title regularly. I'd just to see an arc of a big name artist tackling Spider-Man again. It doesn't have to be much, three issues would be fine.

I'm a fan of Marcos Martin, and think he's a big name artist (or will be), but after a year of the art closely following his style, I'd like to see a spash of something new here and there. When BND came out, with the first group of artists on the title, there seemed to be a hint of this continuous cycling of big name artists with diverse styles and storytelling abilities. An idea, I always thought was kind of cool. Instead we get someone good like Martin, then five totally forgettable artists like Azaceta, Pulido, and Fiumara in between. I just don't' get why Marvel doesn't get half decent fill in artists like they do on Fantastic Four, Ultimate Spider-Man, etc.

Don't get me wrong though, it's not a major complain. I'm not saying anything about ASM's sales or overall quality. I'm just saying, when I go to read my weekly comics, I usually go for the books that have Coipel or Eaglesham or Immonen. And it's not because of the stories inside, it's just because of their art.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

I like Azaceta and Pulido too. Even Fiumara their issues of the Gauntlet have all been good.

 

[random_havoc]

random havoc's favorite Spider-Man story is Torment

Where the heck did you get that idea?

As for what my actual fav story is... I'd have to think about that for quite a while I think.

 

[random_havoc]

Most of the big guns can't even produce a book on a monthly basis, let alone illustrating three books in a month.

Most of ASM's artists are very good, they don't suck at all and I appreciate the fact that lesser known talents get to show their stuff on Spider-Man.

If by dwelling on the past you mean knowing how great the classic Spider-Man stories were, then I don't really see the problem. All I get from that is Spidey fans actually take the time to get into the characters history. And I'm not complaining about Spider-Man these days, I'm enjoying this stuff a lot. But I'll admit, there are a lot of people, (like random_havoc), who seem to dwell on the Spider-Man stories before these last three years.

Don't you mean LIVE in the character's history? It's an undeniable fact that they regressed the character by decades. All we're left with now is Quesada's wet dream, and a character that we are guaranteed will never progress in any meaningful way.... at least not until the current people in charge change.

 

[random_havoc]

Come on, TMOB. You know you're wrong!

Like that cute little death of Gwen Stacy story was fine for it's time. But now? Come on! Absolutely nothing compared to the modern masterpiece: One More Day!

Yeah, cuz that had NOTHING to do with epic writing (at a time when comic deaths actually mattered) AT ALL!

 

[The Question]

Don't you mean LIVE in the character's history? It's an undeniable fact that they regressed the character by decades. All we're left with now is Quesada's wet dream, and a character that we are guaranteed will never progress in any meaningful way.... at least not until the current people in charge change.

Yeah, that's true. A big problem Spider-Man and other characters have. But that doesn't mean the art of yesteryear is bad, nor does it mean that the art of today is objectively better. It's different, the styles have changed, but the art quality is the same across the board.

 

[Themanofbat]

Don't you mean LIVE in the character's history? It's an undeniable fact that they regressed the character by decades. All we're left with now is Quesada's wet dream, and a character that we are guaranteed will never progress in any meaningful way.... at least not until the current people in charge change.

See? That's your **** ing problem... if you could take your **** ing blinders off for a minute, then you might be able to see that there's no regression at all... except for **** ers like yourself who just can't seem to move forward about this...

 

[kguillou]

Well, and i'm not trying to add fuel to the fire here, but even the most hardcore pro-BND-ers have to admit that Peter Parker has been regressed at least a little bit. Even in the Brevoort Manisfesto, he stated that they are intentionally making him younger. Before BND, he was on his way to becoming a respected science teacher, and it was actually a job that he was good at and he liked doing. It was the natural next step for the character. Now he's back to being a single bum with no money and part time photo gig. You have to admit, thats regression. PROgression would have been keeping Peter as a teacher and have him evolve from that point. I think there was tons and tons of potential story telling from that angle.

 

[random_havoc]

Yeah, that's true. A big problem Spider-Man and other characters have. But that doesn't mean the art of yesteryear is bad, nor does it mean that the art of today is objectively better. It's different, the styles have changed, but the art quality is the same across the board.

Thank you, yes, it is true. And I wasn't addressing the art with that statement, but replying to someone else's statement.

 

[random_havoc]

See? That's your **** ing problem... if you could take your **** ing blinders off for a minute, then you might be able to see that there's no regression at all... except for **** ers like yourself who just can't seem to move forward about this...

I'm the one with blinders on?

And, thanks to both the Question and Kguillou for agreeing with me right off the bat btw. Oh, and keep on throwing those swear words in there, they just scream intelligent, "blinders" free insight.

 

[CConn]

I like Azaceta and Pulido too. Even Fiumara their issues of the Gauntlet have all been good.

I won't argue opinion, I'll simply say I'd rather have Martin and one or two big names, rather than Martin and three fill-in artists.

 

[The Question]

Thank you, yes, it is true. And I wasn't addressing the art with that statement, but replying to someone else's statement.

I know. I was tying things back to the original point. You say that the art of today has improved over the art of yesteryear. I disagree. While the styles may be different, the actual quality (which I personally feel is determined by the artist's grasp of and skill with anatomy, form, perspective, detail, and storytelling) has stayed more or less the same across the board since 40 years ago. I also think Brian Hitch is a really ****** artist, but that would have sounded nit-picky if I just came out and said it before giving a good argument first.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, and i'm not trying to add fuel to the fire here, but even the most hardcore pro-BND-ers have to admit that Peter Parker has been regressed at least a little bit. Even in the Brevoort Manisfesto, he stated that they are intentionally making him younger. Before BND, he was on his way to becoming a respected science teacher, and it was actually a job that he was good at and he liked doing. It was the natural next step for the character. Now he's back to being a single bum with no money and part time photo gig. You have to admit, thats regression. PROgression would have been keeping Peter as a teacher and have him evolve from that point. I think there was tons and tons of potential story telling from that angle.

Seriously, if he was "on his way" then it was like watching molasses roll downhill on a cold day, because once JMS introduced the idea, he bailed on it.. only to be seen in PAD's FNSM book, albeit briefly, and there was one story by Socassa in Sensational...

It's easy for people to throw these "blanket statements" to try and prove some kind of point, but when you look at the books that were published since Peter first got that job, Marvel never touched it... there was no "well on his way"... if anything, it was yet another "oh noes... pete's going yo get fired because he keeps missing his classes..."

 

[Themanofbat]

I'm the one with blinders on?

Yes.

Oh, and keep on throwing those swear words in there, they just scream intelligent, "blinders" free insight.

Sometimes, no matter how much logic you can throw at a person, you eventually feel the need to throw a cuss word out of frustration because it just comes off as that person wanting to disagree with everything you say, no matter how well put it might be. You are dead set in your views aabout BND, based on past posts, your sig, and your very biased review on a recent ASM comic... so while it's not customary for me to throw some cuss words, it's also extremely frustrating debating with a brick wall.\\'Nuff said.

 

[kguillou]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
Seriously, if he was "on his way" then it was like watching molasses roll downhill on a cold day, because once JMS introduced the idea, he bailed on it.. only to be seen in PAD's FNSM book, albeit briefly, and there was one story by Socassa in Sensational...

It's easy for people to throw these "blanket statements" to try and prove some kind of point, but when you look at the books that were published since Peter first got that job, Marvel never touched it... there was no "well on his way"... if anything, it was yet another "oh noes... pete's going yo get fired because he keeps missing his classes..."

Yeah but wouldnt you say that the whole teaching thing added a whole new layer to Peter Parker that was ripe with exploration though? Ok fine, JMS didnt use it to its fullest potential, that doesnt mean the potential wasnt there for some other writers to use. I just feel like we were about to see this new level of growth for the character and now we're back at square one again with Peter facing the same problems he faced when he was 16 all because the editorial thinks that people wont relate to peter unless he's broke and directionless. Peter's got all this intellect and he's still a freelance photographer? At this point its getting kinda pathetic, especially since we were given a glimpse at how good he can be at a job that plays to his strengths. Thats all im saying.

 

[Themanofbat]

But the problems he had when he was 16, aside from caring for Aunt May's health issues, have been the same up until even prior to OMD... so why are his "current" problems a burden to the reader NOW??? They're basically the same...



And even though we saw Peter attempt tp teach, it's no different than when he gets a job in the scientific field (like we've seen in the past), his life as Spider-Man gets in the way of a 9 to 5... hence why he jumps back to photography... because of the liberties involved... at least we've seen an improvement with that role, as he is now on salary with Front Lines... so I would expect Urich to be harder on Pete now as far as being on time, etc...

 

[random_havoc]

Yeah but wouldnt you say that the whole teaching thing added a whole new layer to Peter Parker that was ripe with exploration though? Ok fine, JMS didnt use it to its fullest potential, that doesnt mean the potential wasnt there for some other writers to use. I just feel like we were about to see this new level of growth for the character and now we're back at square one again with Peter facing the same problems he faced when he was 16 all because the editorial thinks that people wont relate to peter unless he's broke and directionless. Peter's got all this intellect and he's still a freelance photographer? At this point its getting kinda pathetic, especially since we were given a glimpse at how good he can be at a job that plays to his strengths. Thats all im saying.

Agree with everything, except I'd say is extremely pathetic instead of "getting kinda pathetic".

 

[random_havoc]

Yes.



Sometimes, no matter how much logic you can throw at a person, you eventually feel the need to throw a cuss word out of frustration because it just comes off as that person wanting to disagree with everything you say, no matter how well put it might be. You are dead set in your views aabout BND, based on past posts, your sig, and your very biased review on a recent ASM comic... so while it's not customary for me to throw some cuss words, it's also extremely frustrating debating with a brick wall.\\'Nuff said.

Based on all your posts I'd say you're just as dead set in your views.

As for my views, I said from the beginning that, devil deal aside (and that's a HUUUUUUUUUUGE aside), they were switching spidey to an inferior status quo. Nothing I've seen so far has come close to convincing me otherwise, so why the heck would I go and change my views?

But I digress, this was a thread to discuss the art, as the Question so nimbly tried to redirect us back to.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

We were talking about artists, right?

Sorry if my comment helped divert the thread.

 

[random_havoc]

We were talking about artists, right?

Sorry if my comment helped divert the thread.

I'm just kiddin

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Just trying to steer the thread back to your original topic.

 

[Themanofbat]

But I digress, this was a thread to discuss the art, as the Question so nimbly tried to redirect us back to.

Fair enough... I'm easy...

What about responding to my comments about yesteryears' artists from the previous page?
You had a seemingly flippant remark about it when simply remarking today's artists, and then ignored my comment to that?

I'd appreciate an honest and frank answer...

Thanks for your time...

 

[random_havoc]

Fair enough... I'm easy...

What about responding to my comments about yesteryears' artists from the previous page?
You had a seemingly flippant remark about it when simply remarking today's artists, and then ignored my comment to that?

I'd appreciate an honest and frank answer...

Thanks for your time...

Woops, meant to reply to your previous comment then forgot to. I've got about a minute left on my break so I can't right now, but thought I'd put this comment in just to bump this thread so I don't forget to get back to you yet.

 

[Themanofbat]

No sweat...