The Dark Knight An article on BOF by yours truly...

[The Batman]

I think its already been said, but uf nails it, as always. I'd like to comment on the crazy batman, though.

I feel people who believe in batman like that version because it supposdely sets him apart from other heroes. It somehow makes him unique to them. The whole "Bruce Wayne died with his parents" bit is used as well to try and make him unique, but every hero's superhero ID was his true self before marvel came along. IMO, some bat fans feel he's useless if hes not completely different from superman or another hero.

Batman's psychotic because he dresses up like a bat? Would that mean Oliver Queen is crazy cause he goes out in nothing but a robin hood getup and some arrows? Is Nightwing psychotic cause he dresses up in black, flipping around with nothin' but two sticks? If you're gonna say batman is crazy cause he fights crime, you're gonna have to say every human crimefighter is crazy, especially since most of em dont have the bat motif to scare criminals with.


My point is, as much as the "Batman is crazy" crowd like to think that that sets him apart, thats what makes him unique, its not. Batman is not that different from many superheroes.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah, Batman's not that different from many superheroes.

But he's been around longer than almost all of them.

 

[Crooklyn]

I think its already been said, but uf nails it, as always. I'd like to comment on the crazy batman, though.

I feel people who believe in batman like that version because it supposdely sets him apart from other heroes. It somehow makes him unique to them. The whole "Bruce Wayne died with his parents" bit is used as well to try and make him unique, but every hero's superhero ID was his true self before marvel came along. IMO, some bat fans feel he's useless if hes not completely different from superman or another hero.

Batman's psychotic because he dresses up like a bat? Would that mean Oliver Queen is crazy cause he goes out in nothing but a robin hood getup and some arrows? Is Nightwing psychotic cause he dresses up in black, flipping around with nothin' but two sticks? If you're gonna say batman is crazy cause he fights crime, you're gonna have to say every human crimefighter is crazy, especially since most of em dont have the bat motif to scare criminals with.


My point is, as much as the "Batman is crazy" crowd like to think that that sets him apart, thats what makes him unique, its not. Batman is not that different from many superheroes.

I suppose if you break Bats down to the bare basics, then yeah, he's not that different from the others. But you can do that with any hero.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

 

[xanberkeley]

After playing catch up on this. Hats off to you Ultimatefan.

 

[ultimatefan]

After playing catch up on this. Hats off to you Ultimatefan.

Thanks!

 

[ultimatefan]

I think its already been said, but uf nails it, as always. I'd like to comment on the crazy batman, though.

I feel people who believe in batman like that version because it supposdely sets him apart from other heroes. It somehow makes him unique to them. The whole "Bruce Wayne died with his parents" bit is used as well to try and make him unique, but every hero's superhero ID was his true self before marvel came along. IMO, some bat fans feel he's useless if hes not completely different from superman or another hero.

Batman's psychotic because he dresses up like a bat? Would that mean Oliver Queen is crazy cause he goes out in nothing but a robin hood getup and some arrows? Is Nightwing psychotic cause he dresses up in black, flipping around with nothin' but two sticks? If you're gonna say batman is crazy cause he fights crime, you're gonna have to say every human crimefighter is crazy, especially since most of em dont have the bat motif to scare criminals with.


My point is, as much as the "Batman is crazy" crowd like to think that that sets him apart, thats what makes him unique, its not. Batman is not that different from many superheroes.

Yeah. At least Batman has a purpose for his costume that´s more logic than most superheroes.
Being a "psycho" doesn´t make him that different, either. There are much crazier characters. The Punisher, yes, is a psycho. He´s a cold-blooded killer. He´s the classic sociopathic "judge and executioner" kind of vigilante, he cut himself off from society and humanity. Compared to him, Bruce almost looks like a perfectly balanced person.

 

[The Sage]

Fantastic article. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[ultimatefan]

Fantastic article. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks!

 

[batman7289]

nice articel

 

[MulligaN Stew]

^Agreed. You specified why making a film around a character like Batman is so difficult.

In fact, I believe the contrast between his dark aspects and his heroism and humanity make him a more interesting and complex character. We all can relate to someone who really wants to do the right thing and help others but has to deal with inner demons.

So true.

 

[robeck]

Riveting read and I agree on your input.

 

[ultimatefan]

Again thanks for the support, folks.

 

[Babs Gordon]

Yeah. At least Batman has a purpose for his costume that´s more logic than most superheroes.
Being a "psycho" doesn´t make him that different, either. There are much crazier characters. The Punisher, yes, is a psycho. He´s a cold-blooded killer. He´s the classic sociopathic "judge and executioner" kind of vigilante, he cut himself off from society and humanity. Compared to him, Bruce almost looks like a perfectly balanced person.

so true. i'm glad dc doesn't idolize characters like that. so glad.

 

[MulligaN Stew]

^ha, ha, ultimatefan's right.

[Elderly Bruce Wayne] Frank Castle is a few drinks away from becoming 'Mad Stan'. [/Elderly Bruce Wayne]

Mcginnis: I thought he was Mad Stan.

I believe the contrast between his dark aspects and his heroism and humanity make him a more interesting and complex character.

Imho, his darker characteristics have given him more clarity as to why heroism is so important, and also why his cause may prevent different Gothamites from experiencing what he did...let alone any tragedy.

We all can relate to someone who really wants to do the right thing and help others but has to deal with inner demons.

I hope that those inner demons are exploited by Mr. J in TDK.

Honestly, Bats and Spidey are my two favorite heroes, and I've always liked Batman slightly more for a simple reason provided by Stan Lee.

Irony? Sort of.

[Spider-man]With great power comes great responsibility.[/Spider-man]
[Batman]With great will-power comes great responsibility.[/Batman]

Yes, I manipulated a Lee quote. . . . . still, kinda makes sense.

Batman is the result of human will, diligent effort, and determination.

He's DC's Sherlock.