The Force Awakens Andy Serkis as Supreme Leader Snoke

[Matt]

There's a difference between sticking something in to establish continuity (though Leia and Luke's presence alone does that) and basing the entire plot on some obscure parable, that the Emperor mentions in passing as a way of manipulation. To do that stymies creativity and is frankly, kind of lazy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Luke, Leia, and Chewie were in RotS. So was Vader's helmet and Anakin's lightsaber. Prequel connection confirmed.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There's a difference between sticking something in to establish continuity (though Leia and Luke's presence alone does that) and basing the entire plot on some obscure parable, that the Emperor mentions in passing as a way of manipulation. To do that stymies creativity and is frankly, kind of lazy.

Same could be said having a villain in episode 7 that trying to be the next darth vader with a helmet and a voice alteration and there being another Death Star looking thing called Starkiller

Bringing in a character mentioned in astablished continuity certainly wouldn't be lazy, infact episode 8 and 9 can take from astablished canon books or even the rebels cartoon and that won't be lazy either just because it's not new

 

[Bruskie]

So I don't know if talked about someone got their hands on the Visual Dictionary and there is no Snoke in there I guess.

 

[Solidus]

I believe it was taken not from that but the Art of The Force Awakens. Two different books. I have both pre-ordered.

 

[Bruskie]

I believe it was taken not from that but the Art of The Force Awakens. Two different books. I have both pre-ordered.

Ya I get that but if hes not in the Visual Dictionary I have a hard time thinking they would release how he will look close to final in art book but not in the visual dictionary at all. Doesn't add up to me I guess.

 

[Boom]

I cannot wait for the epic back-tracking heading Collider's way.

 

[StarLord]

Ya I get that but if hes not in the Visual Dictionary I have a hard time thinking they would release how he will look close to final in art book but not in the visual dictionary at all. Doesn't add up to me I guess.

The Art book is a bit more in depth and expensive. The Visual Dictionary is kind of quick fun facts and a few pics.

 

[Bruskie]

The Art book is a bit more in depth and expensive. The Visual Dictionary is kind of quick fun facts and a few pics.

I am just starting to think while the final design may be close the concept in some ways is farther off final than we think. Hence why it's in the book as a concept. Excited to find out finally.

 

[StarLord]

I don't think it will be that far off what the concept looks like. There's a part about what J.J. describing what he wanted Snoke to look like and it's not far off that description.

 

[Bruskie]

I don't think it will be that far off what the concept looks like. There's a part about what J.J. describing what he wanted Snoke to look like and it's not far off that description.

I think people are a bit to married to a concept. I may be wrong but its a concept for a reason. Outside of a picture that says concept the descriptions are vague enough to fit several ideas. Zombie like etc.. You could match all those ideas on a different concept and look completely different.

I may be wrong but I just feel like its gonna be different than we expect and I will have a good laugh.

 

[ares834]

Agreed. If he truly isn't in the VD, is stands to reason it's because Disney doesn't want his design leaking out before the film is released. So The Art of book having concept art similar to the final design would undermine that.

 

[StarLord]

I think people are a bit to married to a concept. I may be wrong but its a concept for a reason. Outside of a picture that says concept the descriptions are vague enough to fit several ideas. Zombie like etc.. You could match all those ideas on a different concept and look completely different.

I may be wrong but I just feel like its gonna be different than we expect and I will have a good laugh.

Oh, I'm not ''married'' to the idea at all, but it's certainly the best proof we've gotten so far that doesn't involve regurgitated Plagueis fan art from several years ago.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So they put in art that looks nothing like him, while describing what they were going for? I so doubt that.

 

[Bruskie]

So they put in art that looks nothing like him, while describing what they were going for? I so doubt that.

Most art books there are many that have concepts that don't look much like final that were in serious discussion or part of design that lead to final. I am just saying art book concept is exactly that just a concept taking it as final based on just word of others isn't much different than Collider and "sources".

While best evidence so far its far from any proof.

 

[ares834]

So they put in art that looks nothing like him, while describing what they were going for? I so doubt that.

Many concept art books include concept art and descriptions that don't look anything like the final result.

 

[Apollo]

I cannot wait for the epic back-tracking heading Collider's way.

No...NOOOO.... Collider's theories were alive and I felt it!!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Many concept art books include concept art and descriptions that don't look anything like the final result.

I have never seen an Art book that showed concept art, and didn't show something at least close to the final design. Kind of the point.

 

[StarLord]

Most art books there are many that have concepts that don't look much like final that were in serious discussion or part of design that lead to final. I am just saying art book concept is exactly that just a concept taking it as final based on just word of others isn't much different than Collider and "sources".

While best evidence so far its far from any proof.

Word of others? The concept pic is from the Art of TFA book. You can see the small text below the pictures. Collider's ''source'' got their info from a foreign magazine, which was a picture of Plagueis fan art.

 

[ares834]

I have never seen an Art book that showed concept art, and didn't show something at least close to the final design. Kind of the point.

Sure. But if Disney doesn't want his appearance to leak cutting art close to the final design from the Art book would be a good way to help do so. And considering Snoke apparently doesn't appear in the VD it stands to reason they don't do so.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Collider's sources also told us we were getting a scene in the credits. JJ flat out denied that.

 

[Bruskie]

Word of others? The concept pic is from the Art of TFA book. You can see the small text below the pictures. Collider's ''source'' got their info from a foreign magazine, which was a picture of Plagueis fan art.

I was talking about the people saying that it is close to final you don't know that other than based on their word. I am saying that is not much different. I said it is the best proof so far, comprehension man.

Collider's sources also told us we were getting a scene in the credits. JJ flat out denied that.

That sucks for them this isn't about Collider being right or wrong but people are easy to bash one persons idea but jump on another with not much more proof. It's like Jar Jar theorist calling Plagueis theorist crazy, really both have very little proof. One just decides which evidence they believe more.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sure. But if Disney doesn't wank his appearance to leak cutting art close to the final design from the Art book would be a good way to help do so. And considering Snoke apparently doesn't appear in the VD it stands to reason they don't do so.

Snoke not appearing the VD has nothing to do with the Art Book. Also, I think it is important to read what is written in the art description. It mentions how they made him look younger so as to avoid Palpatine comparison. That sounds like they were pretty close to a fine look if that is the case.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That sucks for them this isn't about Collider being right or wrong but people are easy to bash one persons idea but jump on another with not much more proof. It's like Jar Jar theorist calling Plagueis theorist crazy, really both have very little proof. One just decides which evidence they believe more.

The only evidence we have supports it not being Plagueis, Jar Jar or anyone else we have seen. Serkis said it is a new character.

 

[Bruskie]

The only evidence we have supports it not being Plagueis, Jar Jar or anyone else we have seen. Serkis said it is a new character.

Actual wording was Newly Introduced Character. Which means recent, so still pretty vague.

"It is very much a newly-introduced character. He’s aware of what’s gone on, in the respect that he has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it’d be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree."

So depends on definition of recent.