The Force Awakens Andy Serkis as Supreme Leader Snoke

[Marvolo]

I could see that given that Palpatine and Vader's deaths were later contextualized as the end of the Sith tradition of only having two at a time, a master and apprentice, that started with Darth Bane. But who the heck knows where that leaves us with Episode VII. Even if they're not called Sith there definitely still seems to be dark side force users around. And there's been no indication at all that the Jedi have actually returned. The one constant I figured had to be in the sequel trilogy was a reestablished Jedi order, along with the New Republic. That neither of those things appear to be in Episode VII is weird (unless the Resistance is supposed to be the New Republic).

A couple possibilities that could explain how they are handling the Rule of Two in the new canon:

1. They are attempting to retcon the Rule of Two to be sort of a thing that the Sith are supposed to adhere to but secretly never do. A master officially only has one apprentice, but he is always looking for more powerful replacements so he or she keeps a few secret apprentices.

2. Or the Rule of Two was just a bit of misinformation that the Sith spread to hide from the Jedi just how many there really are.

3. Or the Rule of Two never existed among the Sith and Yoda and the Jedi were simply mistaken about it.

Or it could be handled some other way, but I don't recall a Sith in any of the Canon (the new canon) ever saying anything about the Rule of Two. Am I wrong about that? I can't remember if Sidious or Dooku bring it up in TCW. I only remember Yoda saying it in TPM. If this is the case then I'm leaning towards the second and/or third option. The Jedi were simply mistaken about the Rule of Two. It isn't something the Sith really adhered to. Secretly there were always more than two Sith at any one time. We already know from the new Vader comics that Sidious had other apprentices. Least that is what the last issue I read implied. I haven't gotten to read the newest one. If he did then they've pretty much retconed the Rule for Two out of existence.

 

[Octoberist]

I still think the 'Rule of two' was a plot device that Lucas came up when writing the prequels in the 90's, to explain why there wasn't more than two Siths during the OT, or whatever. That, and to explain why there isn't an army of Sith in the Prequels, to further complicate the plot.

 

[Roose Bolton]

A couple possibilities that could explain how they are handling the Rule of Two in the new canon:

1. They are attempting to retcon the Rule of Two to be sort of a thing that the Sith are supposed to adhere to but secretly never do. A master officially only has one apprentice, but he is always looking for more powerful replacements so he or she keeps a few secret apprentices.

2. Or the Rule of Two was just a bit of misinformation that the Sith spread to hide from the Jedi just how many there really are.

3. Or the Rule of Two never existed among the Sith and Yoda and the Jedi were simply mistaken about it.

Or it could be handled some other way, but I don't recall a Sith in any of the Canon (the new canon) ever saying anything about the Rule of Two. Am I wrong about that? I can't remember if Sidious or Dooku bring it up in TCW. I only remember Yoda saying it in TPM. If this is the case then I'm leaning towards the second and/or third option. The Jedi were simply mistaken about the Rule of Two. It isn't something the Sith really adhered to. Secretly there were always more than two Sith at any one time. We already know from the new Vader comics that Sidious had other apprentices. Least that is what the last issue I read implied. I haven't gotten to read the newest one. If he did then they've pretty much retconed the Rule for Two out of existence.

Darth Bane tells Yoda that he came up with the Rule of Two because during his time there were many Sith who destroyed each other because of their own greed and that as the last survivor of that conflict he chose to only impart his knowledge on one apprentice. It was in TCW last or second last episode.

 

[Gianakin_]

"Snoke" sounds terrible, especially next to "Supreme Overlord". Serkis looks great.

 

[Marvolo]

Darth Bane tells Yoda that he came up with the Rule of Two because during his time there were many Sith who destroyed each other because of their own greed and that as the last survivor of that conflict he chose to only impart his knowledge on one apprentice. It was in TCW last or second last episode.

Well I guess in the new canon some Sith just ignored the Rule of Two. Does Sidious ever say that he adhered to it or followed it? If not then it wouldn't be a reason for the new canon to say he had other apprentices.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well, granted, I haven't read the comics, but from his scenes with Maul in TCW he implies that there should only be two Dark Lords of the Sith at a time. But I think the difference there, with both himself and Dooku, was that they trained various acolytes in the ways of the Force or in Lightsaber combat (Grievous and Ventress for Dooku) without actively teaching them the deeper mysterious of the Sith Order or instilling upon them the Darth title. It was like a loophole they abused to get more powerful followers to do their dirty work without violating the Rule.

 

[HaloBurn]

The Emperor may have began to rebuild the Sith after taking control, The first order would be the first of a new Sith army. Why would he keep the rule of two after defeating the Jedi?

 

[Jaspertian1105]

do you think he is going to have even robes on? they have to CGI all that too? i dont know how i feel about having a full CG antagonist. I mean Jar Jar was one thing, almost experimental animation end vfx, i think they can pull amazing stuff now a days but still you have Kylo with his fancy robes and then at his side Serkis wearing a grey jump suit with a camera in his face?

i dont know why they didnt go the prosthetic way or a mix of both. The guy has to look really really alien to justify this technique. The rumors i heard were almost zombie like and stuff like that, but i don't know how i feel about this yet, i have to see some final images to see the full result, but i trust the guys at ILM to pull their magic

 

[Gianakin_]

I wouldn't worry. Caesar in the Apes duology required a full suit because we could see him whole. Even in the first one where he often had clothes on, the needed to animate those, too.

The fact that there's a full suit here, too, implies that he'll be fully animated AND he might have stuff to do other than stand and talk as a hologram.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

I wouldn't worry. Caesar in the Apes duology required a full suit because we could see him whole. Even in the first one where he often had clothes on, the needed to animate those, too.

The fact that there's a full suit here, too, implies that he'll be fully animated AND he might have stuff to do other than stand and talk as a hologram.

We can assume it will be a new alien species for sure, and will be force sensitive. thats my only 2 bets at this point

 

[Gianakin_]

Not necessarily new, but alien for sure. Serkis has said so himself.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Not necessarily new, but alien for sure. Serkis has said so himself.

mm most of the classic SW aliens were prosthetic creatures and mask. The genosians, gungans, kaminoans, the general krell species, all those were full CG but i dont see any of them as Snoke.

Or maybe its Jar Jar?? lol oh my God i would laugh so much at that twist, evil Jar Jar master overlord, gave palpatine supreme powers, acted like an idiot all this time, all part of his master plan to take over the galaxy. Make sense to me

 

[Gianakin_]

Well, I have no idea what he's going to be, I'm just spitballing here. It would make sense for him to be a new species, for freshness' sake and all that.

Lol, that twist's kinda been done with the New Jedi Order, where the Supreme Overlord's jester was revealed to be the Overlord himself.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Well, I have no idea what he's going to be, I'm just spitballing here. It would make sense for him to be a new species, for freshness' sake and all that.

Lol, that twist's kinda been done with the New Jedi Order, where the Supreme Overlord's jester was revealed to be the Overlord himself.

Really? never heard of that story, but its a good disguise. And in SW tradition, overlords seem to enjoy having dual identities. Maybe Snoke has one as well or it just went full emperor and doesn't mask himself behind another identity. Lots of possibilities here

 

[Gianakin_]

Bear in mind, once Sidious was Emperor there was no dual identity. Not to say he told everyone he was Sidious, he just stopped being Darth Sidious, I think.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

Bear in mind, once Sidious was Emperor there was no dual identity. Not to say he told everyone he was Sidious, he just stopped being Darth Sidious, I think.

I dont think the general public is aware of this, they probably think he was a normal human begin that was attacked and scarred . For most people, Jedi seem mythical and almost no one has seen one, imagine how many people knew what a sith was, probably virtually anyone.

So to the general public through out all the emperors reign, they never saw him more than an evil dictator but never more than that, the sith i think even in the episode VII are still a myth or even totally unknown to almost all, and maybe thats what will change finally.

 

[Gianakin_]

No, I mean that once he declared the Empire in RotS, I don't think he did his shady business as Sidious anymore. No need, he was the government now. He did as he pleased.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah I think all the subterfuge was largely finished when he got into power. Pretty much everything he said goes and if there was a problem he just had Vader go forth and rain hell.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

No, I mean that once he declared the Empire in RotS, I don't think he did his shady business as Sidious anymore. No need, he was the government now. He did as he pleased.

Oh no of course, the disguise dropped. He achieved everything he wanted, the best day of his life. That day he was finally himself in the open and loving every minute of it. Still the construction of the death star was pretty secret for many years, so there was still some shady business left to do

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah I think all the subterfuge was largely finished when he got into power. Pretty much everything he said goes and if there was a problem he just had Vader go forth and rain hell.

His very own Quint.

 

[Gianakin_]

Still the construction of the death star was pretty secret for many years, so there was still some shady business left to do

Not as Sidious, though. Just as Emperor Palpatine.

 

[Roose Bolton]

His very own Quint.

You all know him, how he earns a living.

 

[Gianakin_]

He's seen a Sith's eyes.

 

[ViciousValentin]

http://rebloggy.com/post/film-star-wars-darth-vader-stormtroopers-darth-sidious-royal-guard-the-empire-em/17624561087

Are these fellas here the first we have seen of the First Order.....the Imperial Guard perhaps ?

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Supreme Leader Snokes... Sounds like the Big Boss of the First Order.