Animals Are Not Ours To Wear

[Alexia Dark]

Wow. Some people are so narrow-minded...

 

[Butters]

Wow. Some people are so narrow-minded...

Are you very open minded ?

 

[bluejake01]

It's rather simple really...but requires some abstract thought.

Bear with me.

We must first decide what you feel is "you"

Are you the sum of your parts? Are you your limbs, or tounge? Are you your heart, your brain? Or are "you" indeed the living vessel for your thoughts, memories and emotions? What is your center of self? Thoughts, emotions and memories?

 

[twylight]

This thread has gone way off topic....I think...

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

the culmination of all of the above, i suppose.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

This thread has gone way off topic....I think...

nope you are just un-enlightened.

 

[bluejake01]

This thread has gone way off topic....I think...

I have never understood the need to limit conversation.

 

[Wiseman]

a seal...is that what that was? no, it doesn't change my mind about anything. it's not something i would watch for pleasure, but seeing doesn't change my world view. i don't hold animals at an equal ground with humans, they are here for us to use.

Just like women

 

[twylight]

I have never understood the need to limit conversation.

Honey I know.

I just find it interesting that what started out as an animal rights thread turned into a religious conversation.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

Honey I know.

I just find it interesting that what started out as an animal rights thread turned into a religious conversation.

religious? existentialistic conservation isn't religious...

 

[bluejake01]

the culmination of all of the above, i suppose.

I am assuming it would be fair to say that your concept of "self" is a matter of conciousness. That is to say thoughts, feelings, and memories. I assume this because you made the statement that when you die you don't exist. Though really your body does continue to exist. It's matter breaks down and become something else. Your matter eventually becomes life again as it is absorbed and metabolized by living things...correct?

 

[twylight]

Just like women

You mean "Just like Men."

 

[cryptic name]

Wow. Some people are so narrow-minded...

so have an open mind about his closed mindedness.

 

[Wiseman]

You mean "Just like Men."

Of course that's what I mean't

 

[jaguarr]

Honey I know.

I just find it interesting that what started out as an animal rights thread turned into a religious conversation.

It might be my fault for saying that I bet Jesus ate meat.

jag

 

[cryptic name]

I am assuming it would be fair to say that your concept of "self" is a matter of conciousness. That is to say thoughts, feelings, and memories. I assume this because you made the statement that when you die you don't exist. Though really your body does continue to exist. It's matter breaks down and become something else. Your matter eventually becomes life again as it is absorbed and metabolized by living things...correct?

once you die your body is nothing, because you leave it.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

I am assuming it would be fair to say that your concept of "self" is a matter of conciousness. That is to say thoughts, feelings, and memories. I assume this because you made the statement that when you die you don't exist. Though really your body does continue to exist. It's matter breaks down and become something else. Your matter eventually becomes life again as it is absorbed and metabolized by living things...correct?

technically, yes.. and technically, no- since you are dead, you will not be aware of the fact that what used to be your body is being re-processed into the world. therefore, it's not happening.

 

[twylight]

Of course that's what I mean't

Of course.

It might be my fault for saying that I bet Jesus ate meat.

jag

He didn't?

 

[bluejake01]

Well...let me make a long story short...Our thoughts, feelings and memories are actually products of matter and energy, electro-chemical responses. Our matter and energy is never destroyed, it merely changes form and is renewed. We were not created in a vaccuum, nor do we "poof" out of existence when we die. Since it is a forgone conclusion that we are our conciousness, and our conciousness is merely matter and energy that came from somewhere and will go somewhere after we are gone...it is more than reasonable to say that we exist before and after death.

 

[bluejake01]

once you die your body is nothing, because you leave it.

With all due respect that is a belief based on nothing but what someone told someone else thousands of years ago. It is here say and nothing more.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

if this is the case, do you think that ghosts and experiencing deja vu have anything to do with this subject?

 

[bluejake01]

technically, yes.. and technically, no- since you are dead, you will not be aware of the fact that what used to be your body is being re-processed into the world. therefore, it's not happening.

Define awareness...our "awareness" is a simple electro-chemical response...matter and energy, which endures on for as long as there is a universe.

 

[cryptic name]

but then what happens to your conciousness after the body dies?

 

[bluejake01]

if this is the case, do you think that ghosts and experiencing deja vu have anything to do with this subject?

I absolutely do. Science is my "how" of the universe. Spirtuality is my "why" of the universe.

 

[cryptic name]

With all due respect that is a belief based on nothing but what someone told someone else thousands of years ago. It is here say and nothing more.

what makes your belief anything more?