Animals Are Not Ours To Wear

[The Dark Guybrush]

how many times do you think we've been born, died, and born again? in the LITERAL sense..

 

[bluejake01]

but then what happens to your conciousness after the body dies?

I have a theory...a belief if you will, but it is no more or less valid than yours. It's all just here say, until I experience it...but then I doubt I would beable to tell you what happens...or that you would believe me if I did.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

theories are like ***holes.. everybody's got one

(myself included, of course. theories & otherwise)

 

[bluejake01]

how many times do you think we've been born, died, and born again? in the LITERAL sense..

That is a difficult question to answer. I believe quite a bit...thousands of times...maybe more. It is my belief that we continue on this plane for as long as it takes to learn it's lessons before moving on to another plane of reality.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

That is a difficult question to answer. I believe quite a bit...thousands of times...maybe more. It is my belief that we continue on this plane for as long as it takes to learn it's lessons before moving on to another plane of reality.

makes sense to me.. you never told me what you think of ghosts and deja vu.

 

[cryptic name]

anyway, about meat...

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

anyway, about meat...

hey buddy, we ARE meat.. deal with it.

 

[bluejake01]

makes sense to me.. you never told me what you think of ghosts and deja vu.

Well...with the current theories of time being non-linear I believe deja-vu could be a memory of something being accessed before or during the linear order of the event.

Ghosts...well there are many types...some are recordings of events that were extremely intense...some are the spirits of those in between life and not life.

 

[cryptic name]

is venice even here anymore?

 

[bluejake01]

hey buddy, we ARE meat.. deal with it.

And someday I will be eaten. Hell...considering a hungry animal would just as soon eat me as I would it...i think it's fair. But then I too realize that meat machines are at best unethical. It's really unrealistic to expect everyone to grow or hunt and butcher their own meat in the current state of the world. If we didn't cultivate livestock there wouldn't be enough food to support our over populated numbers.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

not to mention the world would be overrun by smelly cows and chickens! or not.

 

[bluejake01]

not to mention the world would be overrun by smelly cows and chickens! or not.

As Dave Mordell says..."If we didn't eat cows, there wouldn't be cows. Ever notice they don't grow in the wild?"

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

^ excellent observation.

 

[Venice]

a seal...is that what that was? no, it doesn't change my mind about anything. it's not something i would watch for pleasure, but seeing doesn't change my world view. i don't hold animals at an equal ground with humans, they are here for us to use.

Well what do you think is going to happen once we "use" them all up?

 

[Zev]

Well what do you think is going to happen once we "use" them all up?

We won't use them all up. They're a renewable resource. It's not like at some point someone says "Alright, enough with the cows, no more of them!" and tells everyone to quit.

And reincarnation just doesn't sound right to me. I mean, the whole point is that you live over and over again, subconsciously gaining information and becoming "wiser". However, that would imply that over time, humanity would improve in its dealings toward each other. And yet, we still have the same **** going on today that's been going on for thousands and thousands of years. We just do it over the Internet, is all. I mean, they released CINO last summer. Nicholas Cage was chosen to replace Christopher Reeve as Superman. We've gone from Batman Beyond to The Batman. And THAT'S just the WB. So, if anything, people are getting DUMBER.

So, how does it work? As soon as people get wise enough to realize, hey, maybe cheating on your spouse isn't very nice, FOOM, they get booted up to the Great Gatsby? And some new souls get put into circulation? Seems like a very unfair system, keeping humanity at the edge of destruction at all times and depriving us of our spiritual wisemen.

Plus, in past lives, no one ever remembers being Elsa, the milk maiden who died of pneumonia. They're always Julius Caesar or Elvis.

Not to mention the "more-enlightened-then-thou" smugness. "Oh, you have a very YOUNG religion, you'll get it some day, in a few thousand years." Geez, why not just call my soul a noob and get it over with?

 

[bluejake01]

And reincarnation just doesn't sound right to me. I mean, the whole point is that you live over and over again, subconsciously gaining information and becoming "wiser". However, that would imply that over time, humanity would improve in its dealings toward each other. And yet, we still have the same **** going on today that's been going on for thousands and thousands of years. We just do it over the Internet, is all. I mean, they released CINO last summer. Nicholas Cage was chosen to replace Christopher Reeve as Superman. We've gone from Batman Beyond to The Batman. And THAT'S just the WB. So, if anything, people are getting DUMBER.

So, how does it work? As soon as people get wise enough to realize, hey, maybe cheating on your spouse isn't very nice, FOOM, they get booted up to the Great Gatsby? And some new souls get put into circulation? Seems like a very unfair system, keeping humanity at the edge of destruction at all times and depriving us of our spiritual wisemen.

Plus, in past lives, no one ever remembers being Elsa, the milk maiden who died of pneumonia. They're always Julius Caesar or Elvis.

Not to mention the "more-enlightened-then-thou" smugness. "Oh, you have a very YOUNG religion, you'll get it some day, in a few thousand years." Geez, why not just call my soul a noob and get it over with?

I'm sorry you got the impression I was being smug. It doesn't sound right or fair to you, because you aren't looking at the big picture. Your understanding of the Universe is based on philosophical writtings that were done in a war torn, primative region, thousands of years ago. Montheism, in particular the religions that branched from the ancient Hebrew are very simple models, or metaphors to follow. They are very black and white and are based on the heirarchy that is familar enough to people that are used to living under a king, or dictator (not a bad word BTW).

Do you find it odd that nearly EVERY religion that has existed since the dawn of man provided for individual exploration of spirituality, didn't encourage dogma, believed in balance, had no "evil" gods, placed women on the same level as men, didn't frown upon transexuals, homosexuals, or bisexuals, didn't say that "the only true religion is our religion", understood magnetic pulls from the earth, could harness the earth's energy for their own use, believed in re-incarnation and didn't ever feel the need to convert anyone else to their way of thinking...except of course the religions of the Middle East?

Why would I call you a "noob"? Would you insult, or belittle someone that was still learning? Would you call a child in school a Noob? I believe Earth is a school, and when we are done with school we move on to a new plane of existence. That is why there will never be peace, and why there will always be good and evil. It is needed to learn from. It is valuable to have the struggle. There are those that are more mature that try and help those that still have a lot to learn.

 

[bluejake01]

Plus, in past lives, no one ever remembers being Elsa, the milk maiden who died of pneumonia. They're always Julius Caesar or Elvis.

That is really incorrect, and an offensive generalization. You seem to be confusing media ****es for real spiritualists. It's easy to categorize a group of people by the actions of a very vocal minority, but I ask that you don't.

 

[Zev]

That is really incorrect, and an offensive generalization. You seem to be confusing media ****es for real spiritualists. It's easy to categorize a group of people by the actions of a very vocal minority, but I ask that you don't.

Actually, that was more of a joke. And you do come off as quite smug.

"What's your favorite movie? Alien? Well, that's okay, you're very YOUNG spiritually."

See? Gets annoying.

 

[Sarge]

blue you do sound houlier than thou. You're patting him on the head like he's a little puppy, and because his beliefs are different than yours and he follows a more mainstream religion he is suddenly not spirtually enlightened? Have you ever tried to talk with a relgious leader of any kind about spirituality? You'll find that they are enlighted and spiritually fufilled people.

 

[jaguarr]

Everyone chooses whatever belief system that is right for themselves, be it one that's organized and has many followers or it's something they construct for themselves. The one consistency to being "enlightened" as it were that I have seen, no matter what religious beliefs the enlightened folks may follow, is that they tend to be perfectly content to let everyone else find their own enlightenment in their own time and in their own way. They understand that there is no one right or wrong way to get to where each of us is going, and that we all have to follow our own paths on this journey. I've seen this from Buddhist Monks, and I've seen it from Christian sects that some would consider relatively extreme such as a Pentecostal Preacher. That's the consistent thing I've found in people who really do seem enlightened and at peace with their choices: they'll share what they know but let folks learn what they need to as they need to, knowing that the journey is much more important than the actual destination.

Cheers,
jag

 

[bluejake01]

blue you do sound houlier than thou. You're patting him on the head like he's a little puppy, and because his beliefs are different than yours and he follows a more mainstream religion he is suddenly not spirtually enlightened? Have you ever tried to talk with a relgious leader of any kind about spirituality? You'll find that they are enlighted and spiritually fufilled people.

The only reason I sound holier than thou is because you assume things about what I am saying. Sorry you must read so much into what I am saying...but that's really your issue. I did not say that monotheists were all young souls...I said those faiths appeal more to young souls than older ones. That's all I am saying.

I surround myself with spiritual people from all paths (yes Christians, Muslims and Jewish paths are included in that statement). I agree with Jag on this issue...every one is free to find their own relationship with the higher being, or beings. A person that is secure in their relationship with god should feel no need to make other people believe as they do.

 

[bluejake01]

Actually, that was more of a joke. And you do come off as quite smug.

"What's your favorite movie? Alien? Well, that's okay, you're very YOUNG spiritually."

See? Gets annoying.

You think I said you were young spiritually? Ouch...see that's what happens when you read too much into something. I don't know you, I can't make that call. Even if I did know you, I wouldn't make a judgement about your maturity. I was saying that the structure of the modern church as a whole, which is the culmination of thousands of years of heirarchy and power exchanges, and government by religion, appeals mainly to younger souls. It's easy to follow when you are being told what to believe then when you explore on your own. It would surprise you to learn that I am a Jesusist...that is to say that I follow very closely the sage words of Jesus of Nazareth. His life was complecated though, and it's up to everyone to decide for themselves just what survives today that accurately portrays the man. I am a student of the world, and I find value in every religion.

 

[Atrax robustus]

"With so many wonderful alternatives to wool, fur, and leather, there's simply no need to use animal skins to cover your own skin. For every wool sweater, leather belt or jacket, or bit of fur trim, animals are tortured and mutilated in ways that would make any compassionate person's skin crawl. Sheep, cows, foxes, rabbits, minks, and other animals used for their fleece, fur, or skins feel pain and suffer just like the dogs and cats in our own homes, yet chunks of their flesh are hacked off, they are electrocuted, their necks are snapped, and their throats are slit open, often without any painkillers. Join kind people everywhere and shed your skins-wear only compassionate, animal-free clothing." - PETA

Wearing animal fur is disgusting. Here's some more gross information: http://www.furisdead.com/animals.html

I didn't want to post any pictures because they're nauseating.

Whats wrong with wool? The sheep isnt killed for its wool.

 

[Sarge]

Whats wrong with wool? The sheep isnt killed for its wool.

methinks she is against the shearing process, which (so I've heard) does not even harm the sheep.

 

[bluejake01]

methinks she is against the shearing process, which (so I've heard) does not even harm the sheep.

It's probably annoying at least