Animated Hulk TV Series coming!

[The Joker_1000]

What do you all think the Hulk will look like? Personally, I want them to go for a look similar to that of the H:UD.

 

[Porygon]

Being someone who works in "cartoons", I can say that animation has Not been solely aimed at kids, since the Simpsons became a primetime success. Do you never watch South Park, Family Guy or King of the Hill? America is slowly but surely learning what Japan as been saying for 20+ years, that animation is yet a different medium of story telling, rather than just for entertaining kids.

Yes, this also includes the subject at hand, Superhero cartoons. Look at "Batman animated" That was made for adults, with kids in mind to enjoy as well. There a Many other examples but hopefully you get my point. If you chose not to watch "cartoons" for the sole purpose that you think their just for kids, then you've been missing out on some wonderful adult entertainment, and are in dire need of broadening your horizons.

I am aware of this, and I watch cartoons regularly and plan to go into animation myself.

But this is the Incredible Hulk we are talking about. Nobody should be complaining about it being made with children in mind, or be surprised by it. Sure, there should be something about it that adults can enjoy, but primarily it is something that children should be expected to watch as when it comes down to it, it is a cartoon about a green monster and not really anything so advanced that the idea of children watching it should be so repulsive.

Oh, and Batman was made for kids with adults in mind, not the other way around.

 

[The Joker_1000]

"The Batman" was a lame show, hopefully this show will be made with adults in mind & not kids.

 

[HulkStomps!]

I don't want to harp on this but let's be clear, I talking about "Batman Animated" from 1992 - 97. Not "The Batman" the current animated show.

Because of how that show was presented, it was learned that more adults watched and enjoyed Batman Animated, than kids, which is why they had started showing it at prime time. In fact WB ended the show before it concluded, because the executes felt it was too serious, and wanted to target more kids rather than the adults who were watching it. So they introduced "Batman Beyond".
Trust me, the show was for adults. I work with some of the kats that worked on that show.

Take a look at the emmy award winning episode, "Over the Edge", and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I heard about this a few days ago,i am excited.But i hope it's not just promotion for the new Hulk film,and be cancelled when the film is over.

 

[HulkStomps!]

I heard about this a few days ago,i am excited.But i hope it's not just promotion for the new Hulk film,and be cancelled when the film is over.

Yeah, that did happen with the 2003 Hulk, didn't it. Let's hope that their more excited about this one, and take it more seriously this time.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't want to harp on this but let's be clear, I talking about "Batman Animated" from 1992 - 97. Not "The Batman" the current animated show.

Because of how that show was presented, it was learned that more adults watched and enjoyed Batman Animated, than kids, which is why they had started showing it at prime time.

4:30pm is not "primetime" it's actually fairly typical for afternoon cartoon shows, 6pm-10pm is "primetime". And no running it on primetime on Cartoon Network and Toon Disney doesn't count.

In fact WB ended the show before it concluded, because the executes felt it was too serious, and wanted to target more kids rather than the adults who were watching it.

Actually he's right and you're wrong. Batman: The Animated Series was very much aimed towards children but made to be serious in tone. It wasn't aimed to adults. BTAS was no more "adult" than many of it's comtemporaries, such as Beast Wars, Reboot, X-Men, Spider-Man and Superman. In fact they were attempting to emulate X-Men to an extent, but at the same time do away with the hyper-realistic animation style it utilized. It lacked realistic violence of prime-time adult shows, it lacked sexual content, it lacked blood and massively toned down the role of guns in crime. Also, the show was not very complex or deep. Well written, yes. But very simple and straightforward. This is not a bad thing persay, it just shows, however what audience would appretiate the show the most...one who wasn't looking for something particularly complex, i.e. children. This was no different than most Superheroes cartoons of it's day, aside from the fact that the writing was usually far superior to it's competitors.

So they introduced "Batman Beyond".

Batman Beyond was easily as serious, gritty and "adult" as Animated. In fact it was much more adult than Batman:The Animated Series which was running on KidsWB when it came out. BTAS:GK introduced a more youthful Robin (Tim Drake) and played up the role of Batgirl. Batman Beyond was far more serious and adult, usually having episodes devoted to drugs, corruption and murder.

Trust me, the show was for adults. I work with some of the kats that worked on that show.

Lots of people around here claim to "know" people, it doesn't really prove much.

Take a look at the emmy award winning episode, "Over the Edge", and you'll see what I mean.

I'm sure it was good, in fact I know it was owning the DVDs, but it's a children's show...you're inability to see that is blinding you.

Also, anime is not aimed at "adults" either, another fact you got wrong. Anime is aimed at teenagers, typically 16-18 year olds and/or young college students. Very seldom is animation aimed at adults, The Simpsons is probably one of the few examples of a show that caught on with older audiences. The Departed and Monster's Ball are aimed at adults. Ninja Scroll is aimed at horny teenagers...there is a difference.

 

[HulkStomps!]

4:30pm is not "primetime" it's actually fairly typical for afternoon cartoon shows, 6pm-10pm is "primetime". And no running it on primetime on Cartoon Network and Toon Disney doesn't count.

Actually he's right and you're wrong. Batman: The Animated Series was very much aimed towards children but made to be serious in tone. It wasn't aimed to adults. BTAS was no more "adult" than many of it's comtemporaries, such as Beast Wars, Reboot, X-Men, Spider-Man and Superman. In fact they were attempting to emulate X-Men to an extent, but at the same time do away with the hyper-realistic animation style it utilized. It lacked realistic violence of prime-time adult shows, it lacked sexual content, it lacked blood and massively toned down the role of guns in crime. Also, the show was not very complex or deep. Well written, yes. But very simple and straightforward. This is not a bad thing persay, it just shows, however what audience would appretiate the show the most...one who wasn't looking for something particularly complex, i.e. children. This was no different than most Superheroes cartoons of it's day, aside from the fact that the writing was usually far superior to it's competitors.

Batman Beyond was easily as serious, gritty and "adult" as Animated. In fact it was much more adult than Batman:The Animated Series which was running on KidsWB when it came out. BTAS:GK introduced a more youthful Robin (Tim Drake) and played up the role of Batgirl. Batman Beyond was far more serious and adult, usually having episodes devoted to drugs, corruption and murder.

Lots of people around here claim to "know" people, it doesn't really prove much.

I'm sure it was good, in fact I know it was owning the DVDs, but it's a children's show...you're inability to see that is blinding you.

Also, anime is not aimed at "adults" either, another fact you got wrong. Anime is aimed at teenagers, typically 16-18 year olds and/or young college students. Very seldom is animation aimed at adults, The Simpsons is probably one of the few examples of a show that caught on with older audiences. The Departed and Monster's Ball are aimed at adults. Ninja Scroll is aimed at horny teenagers...there is a difference.

If you think getting it straight from the horses mouth, doesen't compare to what you've read in TV guide, that's cool. So this is the last thing about Batman Animated, I think your forgeting about the "primetime" I was refering to. Because of it's "serious tones" it was taken off 4:30 afternoon slot, and move to Sunday nights, with the Simpsons, for the fall season. 8:00 PM on Fox. Long before Cartoon Network. Aimed towards kids or adults, apparently debatable.

Now my responce was is basiclly about how animation has evolved, as oppose to what we watched as kids. There seem to be disregard for how serious the Incredible Hulk cartoon should be taken, because it 's a cartoon. Your take on anime is debatable, but roughly accurate. Since you have a general grasp on targeting age ranges, how would you suggest the Incredible Hulk cartoon be done?

 

[deathshead2]

"The Batman" was a lame show, hopefully this show will be made with adults in mind & not kids.

Its a cartoon. Produced by Marvel. Money is in their minds. Not adults. Kids lead to the money. Not adults. The show will be for kids. If it last long enough we could see it getting more adult like most cartoons.

 

[The Joker_1000]

Dude, I'm pretty sure it'd be twice as powerful if it appealed to adults & kids alike.

 

[deathshead2]

Dude, I'm pretty sure it'd be twice as powerful if it appealed to adults & kids alike.

If it was on a channel like Abc or CBS on prime time.
Cus look at JLU. It got as adult as many shows could, and look what happened canned, he-man canned,Teen titans canned, and avatar even though fastastic has fallen in the ratings. Its very hard to do an animated cartoon that action for adults thats not on a big channel on prime time. Most don't do well except for comedys. Look at the amazing scerw on head. It was adult and wasn't even picked up by sci fi.

 

[Silver Knight]

Its a cartoon. Produced by Marvel. Money is in their minds. Not adults. Kids lead to the money. Not adults. The show will be for kids. If it last long enough we could see it getting more adult like most cartoons.

Could not have said it any better my friend.

 

[Porygon]

I don't want to harp on this but let's be clear, I talking about "Batman Animated" from 1992 - 97. Not "The Batman" the current animated show.

So was I.

Because of how that show was presented, it was learned that more adults watched and enjoyed Batman Animated, than kids, which is why they had started showing it at prime time. In fact WB ended the show before it concluded, because the executes felt it was too serious, and wanted to target more kids rather than the adults who were watching it. So they introduced "Batman Beyond".

Have you even watched Batman Beyond? Because I thought that show would be ideal example for the point you are making.

Trust me, the show was for adults. I work with some of the kats that worked on that show.

So why does it have a PG rating? Since when do adults need parental guidance?

Take a look at the emmy award winning episode, "Over the Edge", and you'll see what I mean.

Look, I am not disputing the quality of these cartoons but I am never going to say that adults should be the target demographic for mainstream superhero cartoons.

 

[ang_hulk]

..and going...

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Since you have a general grasp on targeting age ranges, how would you suggest the Incredible Hulk cartoon be done?

I see cartoons like Legion of Superheroes, The Batman, Teen Titans, and Justice League handling characters in a basically serious light. Not including, by and large, too many "comic relief" types or gimmicky plot devices (even The Batman has largely abandoned the "Batwave" concept).

You have to understand the only difference between a show like Batman: The Animated Series and The Batman is the writing quality. Bruce Timm is the best at bringing DCU characters from the comics to the cartoon. To say that what he did, though, was anymore 'adult' than the company behind Jackie Chan Adventures I feel is incorrect. They were all aimed at children and all were handling mediums that weren't comedy or farce (Like a Bugs Bunny or Cartoon!Cartoon! type of show -- which by the way, in a different genre, I think Courage the Cowardly Dog was on par quality wise with BTAS).

Basically the Hulk should be serious in tone, but it should not have gore or excessive violence and death, or anything else that would keep it from reaching it's target audience. While I'm sure many fans would love an animated feature on par with the old black and white "Savage Hulk" comics from the past -- it ain't happening.

Frankly I'd love to see Bob Forward handle a Hulk toon.

 

[HulkStomps!]

I see cartoons like Legion of Superheroes, The Batman, Teen Titans, and Justice League handling characters in a basically serious light. Not including, by and large, too many "comic relief" types or gimmicky plot devices (even The Batman has largely abandoned the "Batwave" concept).

You have to understand the only difference between a show like Batman: The Animated Series and The Batman is the writing quality. Bruce Timm is the best at bringing DCU characters from the comics to the cartoon. To say that what he did, though, was anymore 'adult' than the company behind Jackie Chan Adventures I feel is incorrect. They were all aimed at children and all were handling mediums that weren't comedy or farce (Like a Bugs Bunny or Cartoon!Cartoon! type of show -- which by the way, in a different genre, I think Courage the Cowardly Dog was on par quality wise with BTAS).

Basically the Hulk should be serious in tone, but it should not have gore or excessive violence and death, or anything else that would keep it from reaching it's target audience. While I'm sure many fans would love an animated feature on par with the old black and white "Savage Hulk" comics from the past -- it ain't happening.

Frankly I'd love to see Bob Forward handle a Hulk toon.

Yes, exactly!!! I couldn't agree more! Now we're getting somewhere! Also I definitly couldn't have said it better. Your the man.

 

[HulkStomps!]

So was I.

Have you even watched Batman Beyond? Because I thought that show would be ideal example for the point you are making.
So why does it have a PG rating? Since when do adults need parental guidance?

Look, I am not disputing the quality of these cartoons but I am never going to say that adults should be the target demographic for mainstream superhero cartoons.

I didn't mean to give the impression I didn't like Batman Beyond. I just had a personal complaint with how the whole situation was handled back then.

I'm simply saying that with the direction the scripts were going for Batman Animated, the subject matter was going to be even more adult favored. As long as there's no actual sex, profanity or massive blood shed, it gets a PG rating so the kids can witch it too. "Since when do adults need a PG rating," lol.

I too Never said adults should be the main target, so I wouldn't expect you to say that either. Honestly, I feel that we all basically want the same thing, but are saying it different ways.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

Another Marvel TAS?


Yes...excellent...Marvel should take advantage of this moment and make a Marvel Hour ( forgot what it's exactly called) again with this cartooon, Spectacular Spider-Man, and the other Marvel toons too. Can't wait for this, Marvel's back into animation!

 

[YJ1]

As long as it looks better graphically then the DC square heads or the Fantastic Four I'll check it out... If it is just another cheesy series aimed at kids then no thanks.

What he said. The last Hulk animated series was a complete embarrassment. The recent FF anime stuff was awful as well. You'd think that people would understand that kids don't like to be talked down to. Create a series that long time fans would love and the kids will flock to it.

I too Never said adults should be the main target

Then I'll say it. Characters like the Hulk should be geared for older teens and adults. I'm talking pure "PG" stuff with intelligent writing and non-anime graphics. How many more FF flops are needed before Marvel gets it?

 

[Gamma Warrior]

The series' animation shouldn't be too realistic. Go stylized more than realism. Write it like you would write a comic. Their not to serious, kids read them and adults do too.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What he said. The last Hulk animated series was a complete embarrassment. The recent FF anime stuff was awful as well. You'd think that people would understand that kids don't like to be talked down to. Create a series that long time fans would love and the kids will flock to it.

To be honest. I watched the new FF toon, and it's not nearly as bad as the reaction to it implied. It did an excellent job of including guest stars and classic plotlines.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I agree. The new FF cartoon was pretty good & I'm glad I listened to my first mind & decided to watch the show. Hopefully we'll get something totally new with this new animated Hulk series.

 

[Silver Knight]

I agree. The new FF cartoon was pretty good & I'm glad I listened to my first mind & decided to watch the show. Hopefully we'll get something totally new with this new animated Hulk series.

I agree buddy! Cant wait to see how this show unfolds.

 

[Nivek]

I agree. The new FF cartoon was pretty good & I'm glad I listened to my first mind & decided to watch the show. Hopefully we'll get something totally new with this new animated Hulk series.

I know taste is subjective, but that newer Fantastic Four cartoon that was on Cartoon Network blew chunks. I know I'm not alone in saying that I want the new Hulk Animated series to be NOTHING like that garbage.

 

[co2]

I know taste is subjective, but that newer Fantastic Four cartoon that was on Cartoon Network blew chunks. I know I'm not alone in saying that I want the new Hulk Animated series to be NOTHING like that garbage.

I hate that Manga style adapted to traditionlly America art..which Marvel is.