Another overhaul for DCEU

[TheVileOne]

I think trying to make a cohesive Universe ala Marvel at this point is a big mistake, and if that's what Zaslav wants, I think he's gonna be in for a rude awakening.

To get that type of cinematic universe, you have to start from scratch with a new , rebooted , cinematic universe in which all the actors are recast for a new continuity.

That takes time, and alot of money, and all the while, Marvel will be miles ahead of you ,down the road, moving on the Secret Wars, and other things.

I think they just need to move forward in making good films , without getting hung up on trying to establish the shared universe model.

Are we really sure that's what Zaslav wants?

Also, they aren't ditching Reeves/Pattinson Batman, unless the plan is to quietly cancel The Batman 2.

 

[DeadlyWest]

Are we really sure that's what Zaslav wants?

Also, they aren't ditching Reeves/Pattinson Batman, unless the plan is to quietly cancel The Batman 2.

Which would be silly considering 3/4's of a billion bucks in 45 days and you can't quietly cancel a Batman movie

My assumption is that The Batman will continue to be on "Earth 2", while it's the "main canon" that'll get an overhaul.

 

[TheVileOne]

Which would be silly considering 3/4's of a billion bucks in 45 days and you can't quietly cancel a Batman movie

My assumption is that The Batman will continue to be on "Earth 2", while it's the "main canon" that'll get an overhaul.

There is no Earth 2 in The Batman. It's just Earth. There aren't parallel dimensions and other Batman's. Just The Batman.

Batman movies have been quietly canceled before. Darren Aronofsky's Year One. Boaz Yakin's Batman Beyond. Those all got worked on for a while pre-Nolan and Goyer.

 

[DeadlyWest]

There is no Earth 2 in The Batman. It's just Earth. There aren't parallel dimensions and other Batman's. Just The Batman.

I'm talking more in a meta sense rather than actual fictional multiverse. I could've sworn I recalled Hamada say something along the lines of The Batman being on "Earth 2" a year or two back though. Either way, point being that The Batman's probably gonna remain unconnected to the "main continuity" stuff

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm talking more in a meta sense rather than actual fictional multiverse. I could've sworn I recalled Hamada say something along the lines of The Batman being on "Earth 2" a year or two back though. Either way, point being that The Batman's probably gonna remain unconnected to the "main continuity" stuff

A bit disappointed, but this is what the DCEU and incompetence of Kevin Tsujihara wrought.

 

[DeadlyWest]

A bit disappointed, but this is what the DCEU and incompetence of Kevin Tsujihara wrought.

True enough, unfortunately. Only thing I could think of is The Batman becoming main canon but the character doesn't appear until after Batman 3 or something. Which I admittedly don't see happening with Keaton confirmed to be making reoccurring appearances, unless Batgirl is set pre Flash.

 

[TheVileOne]

True enough, unfortunately. Only thing I could think of is The Batman becoming main canon but the character doesn't appear until after Batman 3 or something. Which I admittedly don't see happening with Keaton confirmed to be making reoccurring appearances, unless Batgirl is set pre Flash.

I kind of see Zaslav is going to let things play out a little bit with both Shazam 2 and Black Adam coming out this year.

I don't see how Reeves with what he's set up is going to allow for multiverse tampering to his story.

 

[Frodo]

Are we really sure that's what Zaslav wants?

No, we don't know , but that's been a rumor at least .
That's why I qualified my statement as " If that's what Zaslav wants".

 

[Mani-Man]

I kind of see Zaslav is going to let things play out a little bit with both Shazam 2 and Black Adam coming out this year.

I don't see how Reeves with what he's set up is going to allow for multiverse tampering to his story.

For now he will definitly wait and see...but i think Black Adam could become more important than we think with the way the people attached to it talked about it.

We are in a weird state with a few movies potential big hits coming out, while the Flashpoint movie is waiting to come out that is so hard to say where this goes in general and in terms of shaping the movie universe(s).

I doubt Reeves will let someone interfere with his idea on a more profound level, so i think that will remain on its own table.
But its hard to say at the moment, its all very fresh and it will take some time before Zaslavs handling will show its results.

 

[kguillou]

The next four DC movies are CRITICAL as to what happens next. We’re getting four DCEU movies. Not DC, but DCEU movies with Black Adam, Shazam, Aquaman 2 and Flash. These all technically co-exist on the same universe with one another. Suffice it to say, these movies need to be hits and i mean NEED to be hits. If theyre not or are poorly received then I predict Wonder Woman 3 will be the final DCEU film with everything being rebooted after.

BUT if theyre all financially and critically successful then the DCEU will very much remain alive for quite a while. Or Heck, they dont all need to be, if 2 out of the four are big hits I think that will be enough.

 

[TheVileOne]

The next four DC movies are CRITICAL as to what happens next. We’re getting four DCEU movies. Not DC, but DCEU movies with Black Adam, Shazam, Aquaman 2 and Flash. These all technically co-exist on the same universe with one another. Suffice it to say, these movies need to be hits and i mean NEED to be hits. If theyre not or are poorly received then I predict Wonder Woman 3 will be the final DCEU film with everything being rebooted after.

BUT if theyre all financially and critically successful then the DCEU will very much remain alive for quite a while. Or Heck, they dont all need to be, if 2 out of the four are big hits I think that will be enough.

The first Aquaman movie was WB's highest-grossing DC movie ever, so they have a good shot at least.

I'm somewhat less interested in Shazam 2 as I don't really care so much about the villains. And Black Adam -- Should've made Black Adam the villain in Shazam 2 and give the JSA their own movie. Making the JSA supporting characters to prop up Black Adam when they should have their own project is dumb IMHO. Sorry, but it's dumb. Black Adam would be a bad guy in Shazam to start and if there was enough juice for a solo movie or spinoff, I'd go from there.

 

[kguillou]

My prediction on these movies, based on nothing but my gut feeling:

Black Adam: Will get mixed critic reviews but will be a dumb fun Dwayne Johnson blockbuster with good action scenes that does well at the box office and entertains people.

Shazam 2: Not as good as the first one but still very enjoyable and gets good reviews from critics and respectable box office. Like around $500M, but not more than that.

Aquaman 2: Most likely will be rotten on RT, people will say the script is as messy as the first one but will also praise Mamoa and Wilson's chemistry and the once again Wan's fantastically directed action sequences. Wont crack a billion, will make around $700-800M. (LARGELY depends on China release since it made tons of money there last time.)

The Flash: I think....this movie will surprise people. Its going to have a lot of bad press and skepticism leading up to it (for many reasons) but Muschietti will show people he knows what he's doing as a director. Wont be perfect, people will be divided on Ezra's take on Barry and I predict some very bold creative choices will divide people but everyone will LOVE Keaton's return as Batman and we'll all be surprised at how surprisingly tight the script is even with all these elements they're juggling. I predict good, not great reviews overall and good not GREAT box office ($600-700M).

 

[Erzengel]

I think $600-$700 would still be underwhelming for the Flash. I know it has a lot of bad press and skepticism but the addition of Keaton Batman and the introduction of Supergril at least means to me, means it should be an event movie.

 

[Maestro216]

Bad press is putting it mildly. 'Mini R. Kelly Situation': Mom Claims Ezra Miller Physically Assaulted Her, Brainwashed 18-Year-Old

 

[metaphysician]

Bad press is putting it mildly. 'Mini R. Kelly Situation': Mom Claims Ezra Miller Physically Assaulted Her, Brainwashed 18-Year-Old

Well, *that* would be a big jump in awful if true. Though I wouldn't automatically assume its 100% true, parent/teenager legal disputes can and do get ugly, and while Miller has a track record of being a violent unstable substance abuser, there is a pretty big gap between that and "premeditated sexual predator".

 

[Juan1193]

My prediction on these movies, based on nothing but my gut feeling:

Black Adam: Will get mixed critic reviews but will be a dumb fun Dwayne Johnson blockbuster with good action scenes that does well at the box office and entertains people.

Shazam 2: Not as good as the first one but still very enjoyable and gets good reviews from critics and respectable box office. Like around $500M, but not more than that.

Aquaman 2: Most likely will be rotten on RT, people will say the script is as messy as the first one but will also praise Mamoa and Wilson's chemistry and the once again Wan's fantastically directed action sequences. Wont crack a billion, will make around $700-800M. (LARGELY depends on China release since it made tons of money there last time.)

The Flash: I think....this movie will surprise people. Its going to have a lot of bad press and skepticism leading up to it (for many reasons) but Muschietti will show people he knows what he's doing as a director. Wont be perfect, people will be divided on Ezra's take on Barry and I predict some very bold creative choices will divide people but everyone will LOVE Keaton's return as Batman and we'll all be surprised at how surprisingly tight the script is even with all these elements they're juggling. I predict good, not great reviews overall and good not GREAT box office ($600-700M).

if that box office/critical acclaim happens, then just cancel the DCEU already. Start fresh with something new

 

[psylockolussus]

Hmm honestly DC films needed to start from scratch the moment Justice League flopped. Films like the Flash could turn out as a success like the first Wonder Woman and Aquaman film. But Blue Beetle? Shazam 2? I'm not sure if Aquaman 2 would fare better to critics than Aquaman. Superman v Black Adam could be just BvS2.

If I were Discovery, I'd start fresh clean with solo films for Superman, Batman, wonder woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter which would lead to Justice League. Then sequels for the solo films and JL, solo films for Hawkman, Zatanna, Cyborg and whoever they want to include in JL.

DCEU and non DCEU films like Joker and The Batman co-eXisting as separate continuities isnt good in the long run. These films need synergy. Wbd shouldn't keep trying to salvage a franchise with a bad foundation imo especially when half of these 11 films already were a miss either at the boX office or critical reception. Dc films need a clean slate.

 

[blackdragon6]

Black Adam -- Should've made Black Adam the villain in Shazam 2 and give the JSA their own movie. Making the JSA supporting characters to prop up Black Adam when they should have their own project is dumb IMHO. Sorry, but it's dumb. Black Adam would be a bad guy in Shazam to start and if there was enough juice for a solo movie or spinoff, I'd go from there.

I felt that way about Starro being the bad guy for TSS.

 

[TheVileOne]

I felt that way about Starro being the bad guy for TSS.

Hm.

 

[psylockolussus]

Justice Society of America would have been a lot more interesting than The Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn. But its likely it would be another DC movie that would be seen by fewer people in theaters. A movie team probably needs to gross over $200 million in North America to convince WBD to make it a franchise. The Suicide Squad ain't getting a 3quel and there's no Birds of Prey and the Emancipation of Two Harley Quinn.

Dc movies have a problem of convincing everyone to watch their every movie. With Marvel, it only happened with non MCU movies such as Dark PhoeniX, The New Mutants and Morbius. So this is why its important that they imply synergy to DC films. At this point, the public would just cherry pick the well known characters (Joker, The Batman, The Flash, Aquaman, Man of Steel and Wonder Woman) and possibly skip the rest (Shazam 2, Black Adam, Blue Beetle).

 

[blackdragon6]

Dc movies have a problem of convincing everyone to watch their every movie. With Marvel, it only happened with non MCU movies such as Dark PhoeniX, The New Mutants and Morbius. So this is why its important that they imply synergy to DC films. At this point, the public would just cherry pick the well known characters (Joker, The Batman, The Flash, Aquaman, Man of Steel and Wonder Woman) and possibly skip the rest (Shazam 2, Black Adam, Blue Beetle).

totally agree with this, especially the bold part.

 

[Iceman]

That’s an important part of why the MCU continues to do well even when people are complaining about quality drops. There is much more investment in Marvel and all the films combined feeling like a whole contributing to one overall project supporting each other. It means the worst case is never going to be that bad for a given film whereas DC can see one film have a huge success and the next one doesn’t get any boost from that and can flop just as easily.

 

[Erzengel]

It's about the investment. How many characters in the MCU have multiple appearances, even past the top tier of stars. Wong has appeared 7 films/series. Nebula has been in 5 soon to be 6.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

The first Aquaman movie was WB's highest-grossing DC movie ever, so they have a good shot at least.

I'm somewhat less interested in Shazam 2 as I don't really care so much about the villains. And Black Adam -- Should've made Black Adam the villain in Shazam 2 and give the JSA their own movie. Making the JSA supporting characters to prop up Black Adam when they should have their own project is dumb IMHO. Sorry, but it's dumb. Black Adam would be a bad guy in Shazam to start and if there was enough juice for a solo movie or spinoff, I'd go from there.

DC should have listened to the fans more when choosing their slate. Just listening to fans more from the beginning would have saved them so much hassle.

 

[psylockolussus]

Solo films or team films featuring Dr.Fate, Hawkman, Birds of Prey, Harley Quinn, Suicide Squad, Shazam and Blue Beetle would perform a lot better if people know these are going to cross over someday with Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman and the Flash. Instead we get these references or characters like Amanda and Harley that don't really lead to any future event films. Thats like doing an Ant-Man/Dr. Strange movie and siX years later, still haven't met any of the lead Avengers and appeared in an Avengers movie. Marvel Studios is very clear with introducing lesser known characters to the big screen and letting the audience know they are going to play with the big superheroes later on. We got Steve in Ant-Man 1, Thor in Dr. Strange 1, Hulk/Carol in Shang-Chi and four Avengers in Captain Marvel. While Black Panther and Spider-Man appeared in Avengers Civil War before their first solo mcu movie.

I still don't understand why we got a Joker film set outside of the DCEU, then another Batman reboot when Ben Affleck apparently wasn't over being Batman. Even if he was over, they could have just recast Batman instead and gave us the first Batman Dceu film.

Right now, the only guaranteed success they could do with the DCEU beyond 2023 are:
Man of Steel 2
Wonder Woman 3
Aquaman: The Way of Wat3r
Rhe Flash 2 / 3 (but depends on the boX office performance of the Flash)
Justice League 2 (but they still need to earn a lot of goodwill from other solo films to make this a must see event)

The rest:
Black Adam, here we are with the rotten rating. The Rock isn't exactly a franchise starter, see Baywatch.
Shazam 2, even though the first one was good and it did Okay at the boX office. I just can't see how this wouĺd outperform the first movie. This seems like a typical sequel only because the first one did okay but there's no hook for the ones that didn't see the first movie.
Blue Beetle. This is a hard sell imo.