Another overhaul for DCEU

[TheVileOne]

DC should have listened to the fans more when choosing their slate. Just listening to fans more from the beginning would have saved them so much hassle.

Warner Bros. Discovery is just in a tough spot right now. I keep reading all these stories about how Zaslav "wants his Feige," and I think that's a recipe for failure. I feel like DC Films have been struggling and failing to find their Feige for the last 10 years.

I mean Walter Hamada was the dude brought in several years ago to be THEIR FEIGE and the logic was he did a great job managing their CONJURING UNIVERSE, so he can do a shared DC one as well. And now you have The Rock and everyone on Twitter burying Hamada.

Like I mean who would want this job? Everyone hates you, and you are inheriting a total cluster bleep in the form of DC Films, not to mention the cluster bleep that WBD is in right now.

 

[emc5466]

In an interview with Collider posted today The Rock made it seem like Dani Garcia was the one who got Walter Hamada fired. She just had enough of him.

 

[Mani-Man]

Warner Bros. Discovery is just in a tough spot right now. I keep reading all these stories about how Zaslav "wants his Feige," and I think that's a recipe for failure. I feel like DC Films have been struggling and failing to find their Feige for the last 10 years.

I mean Walter Hamada was the dude brought in several years ago to be THEIR FEIGE and the logic was he did a great job managing their CONJURING UNIVERSE, so he can do a shared DC one as well. And now you have The Rock and everyone on Twitter burying Hamada.

Like I mean who would want this job? Everyone hates you, and you are inheriting a total cluster bleep in the form of DC Films, not to mention the cluster bleep that WBD is in right now.

Unless one is super confident in themself, yeah its really not a job you can lure people in with.

Its a really bad place currently and it annoys me.

You have to face the financial troubles, you got the annoying synder fans still running around *****ing about everything that is not directly involving snyder, critics compare everything to Marvel...and some with pull seem to be hellbent on not Rebooting the whole ****show instead want it to be "fixed".

How do you even start to deal with all that? I have no clue.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think the easiest way to reboot, is keep Reeves' Batman. Then reboot Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Superman, The Flash in any order. And team them up in JL. However the problem is the DCEU actors in those roles are still fresh in people's mind especially neXt year. WBD are going to want a sequel for Flash and Aquaman if they performed well. While WW3 is already under pre production and might start filming neXt year.

WBD for now are stuck with Matt Reeves' Batman and DCEU in separate continuities. While merging them together is also not a good idea. And there's Joker. The best they could do is plan to end Dceu and the current Batman films in more or less 5 years. Then maybe wait 2 to 3 years, then start a Superman reboot that would eventually lead to Justice Assembles the League.

2024: WW3, The Batman II
2025: Aquaman 3
2026: The Batman III

2028: Dc Studios' Superman
2029: DC Studios' Flash, DC Studios' Wonder Woman
2030: DC Studios' Aquaman, DC Studios' Batman
2031: DC Studios' Justice League, DC Studios' Superman II

 

[FunkMiller]

Warner Bros. Discovery is just in a tough spot right now. I keep reading all these stories about how Zaslav "wants his Feige," and I think that's a recipe for failure. I feel like DC Films have been struggling and failing to find their Feige for the last 10 years.

I mean Walter Hamada was the dude brought in several years ago to be THEIR FEIGE and the logic was he did a great job managing their CONJURING UNIVERSE, so he can do a shared DC one as well. And now you have The Rock and everyone on Twitter burying Hamada.

Like I mean who would want this job? Everyone hates you, and you are inheriting a total cluster bleep in the form of DC Films, not to mention the cluster bleep that WBD is in right now.

Only WBD don't want a Kevin Feige at all.

Because Kevin Feige built a cinematic universe from the ground up.

What WBD want is someone who can come in, wave a magic wand over their existing strategy, and make it work.

This is impossible to do.

If Zaslav was serious about 'doing a Feige' he'd have to junk everything and start over. That's clearly not happening, so the corpse of the DCEU will continue to shuffle onwards until the superhero movie booms inevitably comes to an end. It won't matter who's in charge.

 

[Mani-Man]

Only WBD don't want a Kevin Feige at all.

Because Kevin Feige built a cinematic universe from the ground up.

What WBD want is someone who can come in, wave a magic wand over their existing strategy, and make it work.

This is impossible to do.

If Zaslav was serious about 'doing a Feige' he'd have to junk everything and start over. That's clearly not happening, so the corpse of the DCEU will continue to shuffle onwards until the superhero movie booms inevitably comes to an end. It won't matter who's in charge.

Thats the thing, there is no indication that they really want what Feige did.
They want someone who picks up the pieces and puts it all together and stuff.

But that is not really working when you have pieces of different puzzles.
Sure the Flashpoint movie could fix some of it, but there is still too much mess left either way.

 

[bapi]

In an interview with Collider posted today The Rock made it seem like Dani Garcia was the one who got Walter Hamada fired. She just had enough of him.

"Team Rock" in charge of DC Films sounds absolutely awful. But looking at OS opening days... Black Adam could finish only around 340-360M WW so doubt it happens.

 

[psylockolussus]

With how things are currently working out, they are eventually gonna run out of options and reboot Batman and Superman again (hopefully with Wonder Woman, Aquaman, the Flash, Green Lantern and the whole Justice League gang).

Don't care about another Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey though.

 

[TheVileOne]

Only WBD don't want a Kevin Feige at all.

Because Kevin Feige built a cinematic universe from the ground up.

What WBD want is someone who can come in, wave a magic wand over their existing strategy, and make it work.

This is impossible to do.

If Zaslav was serious about 'doing a Feige' he'd have to junk everything and start over. That's clearly not happening, so the corpse of the DCEU will continue to shuffle onwards until the superhero movie booms inevitably comes to an end. It won't matter who's in charge.

I'm merely using verbiage that the trades are using.

 

[metaphysician]

Only WBD don't want a Kevin Feige at all.

Because Kevin Feige built a cinematic universe from the ground up.

What WBD want is someone who can come in, wave a magic wand over their existing strategy, and make it work.

This is impossible to do.

If Zaslav was serious about 'doing a Feige' he'd have to junk everything and start over. That's clearly not happening, so the corpse of the DCEU will continue to shuffle onwards until the superhero movie booms inevitably comes to an end. It won't matter who's in charge.

Actually, I think its even worse than you say, because there are two different groups of people who want someone to magically "make it work". There are those who want the hypothetical Magic Feige Genie to come in and, with a few quick and easy modifications, turn the existing DCEU Program into a moneymaking success. And then there are those who are relatively indifferent to money, but instead want to turn the DCEU into something where its prior decisions are now viewed as 'right'; repudiation of past directions is unacceptable, because that would imply that those past directions were a mistake.

The problem, of course, being that the majority of the major decisions made setting up the DCEU *legitimately were bad decisions*. There is no way to fix things without at least implicitly acknowledging that.

 

[Tg11]

I think the easiest way to reboot, is keep Reeves' Batman. Then reboot Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Superman, The Flash in any order. And team them up in JL. However the problem is the DCEU actors in those roles are still fresh in people's mind especially neXt year. WBD are going to want a sequel for Flash and Aquaman if they performed well. While WW3 is already under pre production and might start filming neXt year.

WBD for now are stuck with Matt Reeves' Batman and DCEU in separate continuities. While merging them together is also not a good idea. And there's Joker. The best they could do is plan to end Dceu and the current Batman films in more or less 5 years. Then maybe wait 2 to 3 years, then start a Superman reboot that would eventually lead to Justice Assembles the League.

2024: WW3, The Batman II
2025: Aquaman 3
2026: The Batman III

2028: Dc Studios' Superman
2029: DC Studios' Flash, DC Studios' Wonder Woman
2030: DC Studios' Aquaman, DC Studios' Batman
2031: DC Studios' Justice League, DC Studios' Superman II

I can go for that

 

[FunkMiller]

Actually, I think its even worse than you say, because there are two different groups of people who want someone to magically "make it work". There are those who want the hypothetical Magic Feige Genie to come in and, with a few quick and easy modifications, turn the existing DCEU Program into a moneymaking success. And then there are those who are relatively indifferent to money, but instead want to turn the DCEU into something where its prior decisions are now viewed as 'right'; repudiation of past directions is unacceptable, because that would imply that those past directions were a mistake.

The problem, of course, being that the majority of the major decisions made setting up the DCEU *legitimately were bad decisions*. There is no way to fix things without at least implicitly acknowledging that.

Agreed. As I say, by far the most likely outcome is that the DCEU limps on the way it has, until the superhero genre runs out of gas. Any chance of mounting a challenge to the MCU has long since departed. Best we can hope for is individual successes in the morass of probable mediocrity.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If WBD were truly wanting to build out the DCEU....

After Black Adam....we'd get

The Flash

Aquaman

Doctor Fate prequel movie (because they love to go against the grain)

JSA film that serves as both a prequel and a sequel (introduces Dinahs mom)

Black Canary

Wonder Woman 3

Shazam 2

Man of Steel

Batfam

Black Adam v Superman/Shazam (because...we know its what he wants so he gets it)

 

[king666]

In my dream scenario, WB would just move on from the DCEU, starting right now. Just set things up for the next 5 to 6 years, give some closure to all existing franchises and then reboot everything. Stop building new stuff on top of this mediocre foundation. Start "small" with Superman, Batman and WW solo flicks. Make some good movies ffs.

 

[bapi]

To be honest, most of DC's main actors are between late 30s / early 50s. I think it just makes sense to try to keep them for another four or five years and then WB's next owner can restart the whole thing. I think that's another reason why they'll struggle to find their Feige because whoever signs will probably have to keep and continue with what they already got.

 

[blackdragon6]

I was baffled by them expanding on The Reevesverse, while still trying to uphold the DCEU, and all of those TV shows that's also in their own universes. You would have thought they would have streamlined that ****. But I suspect some other executives probably don't actually want that, there's clearly some head butting going on probably. If what Zaslav want is a singular universe he'll need to start reigning some of this **** in I dunno lol.

 

[psylockolussus]

They aren't gonna abandon WW3 and possible sequels for Aquaman and the Flash.

What they could do though is plan the END of the DCEU, Joker and The Batman, to make room for DC Studios' Phase 1 in the late 2020s.

 

[Lily Adler]

If WBD were truly wanting to build out the DCEU....

After Black Adam....we'd get

The Flash

Aquaman

Doctor Fate prequel movie (because they love to go against the grain)

JSA film that serves as both a prequel and a sequel (introduces Dinahs mom)

Black Canary

Wonder Woman 3

Shazam 2

Man of Steel

Batfam

Black Adam v Superman/Shazam (because...we know its what he wants so he gets it)

It's so strange that our big DCEU event film is Superman and Black Adam going DBZ with not Zod.

 

[BobJM]

*Main DC Universe
*Elseworlds Films

- Shazam: Fury of the Gods
- Joker: Folie a Deux
- Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
- The Flash
- The Batman II (and it’s spin-offs)
- Peacemaker S2
- Blue Beetle
- Man of Tomorrow (soft reboot)
- Constantine II (featuring JL-Dark characters)
- Wonder Woman III

Then, everything released after this current slate is set in the mainline DCEU. Exceptions to this should only be in cases where there’s an artist-driven vision.

Some potential ideas:

- Batman Beyond
- Static Shock
- Gotham City Sirens (ft. Harley and Ivy)
- Green Lantern Corps. (ft. Hal and John)
- Legion of Superheroes (ft. Supergirl)

Keep what works and ignore what didn’t. Just keep the actors (for the most part) and just keep chugging ahead to a brighter DCEU.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't know what DCEU and the Batman films are going to benefit from HBO MaX originals? The more they greenlit these streaming projects, the longer it would take for them to do a real overhaul. They should think of longer term, instead of what would sell in just 1 to 3 years.

 

[metaphysician]

I was baffled by them expanding on The Reevesverse, while still trying to uphold the DCEU, and all of those TV shows that's also in their own universes. You would have thought they would have streamlined that ****. But I suspect some other executives probably don't actually want that, there's clearly some head butting going on probably. If what Zaslav want is a singular universe he'll need to start reigning some of this **** in I dunno lol.

I mean, if they actually *were* all in on the idea "Its a multiverse, everything has a place, set your stories wherever it works best", that might be fine. Its just, I don't get the sense that this is the case, either. It feels a lot more like they *want* One Singular World, but they are very conflicted at actually getting to that point, between disagreements over whose vision gets to define that world, and prior works that are too problematically successful or important to pave over.

 

[blackdragon6]

Now that Gunn is in charge creatively I hope we don't just get R-Rated versions of GoTG2 films. Because nah, that won't work for me personally lol. I can totally do without that style of humor.

 

[samsnee]

DC Movies: James Gunn, Peter Safran to Lead Film, TV Division – The Hollywood Reporter

His role officially starts in Nov but I can’t imagine he still wouldn’t be on the press tour for Guardians 3

 

[psylockolussus]

2028: Dc Studios' Superman
2029: DC Studios' Flash, DC Studios' Wonder Woman
2030: DC Studios' Aquaman, DC Studios' Batman
2031: DC Studios' Justice League, DC Studios' Superman II

You heard DC Studios here first, Warner Bros. Discovery.

 

[HydraSith12]

I wish the DCEU go for a more Edgy direction to differentiate from Marvel do things that Marvel would never do i want more movies like Joker and the Batman with a more realistic and serious tone i dont want more MCU colorful style in DC movies those movies would only be copies of the MCU World

The DC stories that i always liked more were the Black Label stories or the Elseworlds i would take Kingdom Come Superman Red Son Killing Joke a thousand times over the stories of the normal DC continuity