Answering script questions: DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPOIL THE WHOLE MOVIE

[Obi-Ron]

Gotta give the star as much face time as possible...Hulk can't just take off his mask every five minutes like Spider-Tobey.

 

[Judson Caspian]

It's just stupid if Rick Jones is not in the flashbacks. If it wasn't for him, the Hulk wouldn't even exist.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Rick Jones vs Jack McGee dammit!

 

[S_H_F_4839]

Yup. I don't get why fans are not only defending a possible body count, but some almost seem to want one too...

I don't necessarily want one but I can understand where there would be one, realisticaly speaking.

Really, they have only one argument to justify the Hulk killing: That he might be portrayed as being so bloody stupid he doesn't even know he is killing... Well, I'm sorry but a Hulk reduced to a King Kong level of intelligence and responsibility is not the Hulk at all.

I grew up reading The Incredible hulk and The hulk that I grew up reading often had the intellegence of a child in the comics. I mean what is the hulk doing in most of his rampages other than throwing a temper tantrum. I agree to take him to king kong levels would be wrong, but I am not asking for that, Haven't your parents ever said to you, you just don't know your own strength? When you hit someone playing and actually hurt them?

Hulk, for all his anger and rage, is not some cumbersome child or some unthinking animal, he is a very moral character: He knows what he is doing and he often knows right from wrong better than those who would seek to attack him.

If the hulk is anything he is a cumbersome child that does not know his own strength and when he gets angry and throws the equivalant of a super powered temper tantrum people get hurt. I am not saying he doesn't have morals, but unless we are talking about the professor incarnation of the hulk or the grey hulk he is seldom in his right frame of mind to make such distincitions.

Bottom line is this: A body count is not needed to tell a Hulk story, the only reason for having one is if the writers have got it wrong, it's as simple as that.

I agree its not needed but it would also be feasible in my opinion that the abomination kill someone in the midst of his battle with the hulk and the hulk get the blame.

Btw, I posted this in another thread but worth having it again here - This link is to a page with scans from the Hulk's own book which clarifies his current status as regards killing:

http://www.kellcom.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Hulk110.html

Interesting you chose to post something from world war, I say that because I pose a question to you, if people have not lost their lives in the hulks battles why did the illumanati decide to send him off world in the first place? I was under the impression it was due to the fact that he was a risk to human life on the planet because of his lack of control. I mean that page kind of undermines the whole arc planet hulk arc all together IMO. I mean because if he is not taking human life and he is actually preventing any deaths when he is in the middle of one of his rampages, then what other reason could they have for sending him off the planet? The destruction he causes, to buildings and cities, I mean sure it is going to be really expensive to replace everything destroyed, but at the same time think of all the lives he has saved according to that page. I mean shouldn't it be worth it to the country and the world if he is saving life on this massive scale, because IMO when he is in the middle of one of these huge fights in a metropolitian area it has got to be similar in terms of destruction to a terrorist attack if not worse. Another idea is that if they are sending him off world because of the damage he causes to physical property that kind of sends the wrong message to kids on the value of money and they are punishing him because he is just too expensive to be kept around.

 

[wobbly]

The Illuminati are a problematic ret-con at best..One I personally think Marvel should have told Bendis to stick up his over-rated @ss, but since they did go and let the ego have his way....

The point made in WWH, and with the scans I posted (which clearly state he has never killed any innocent soul unless his mind has been severely tampered with/controlled in some way) is that the Illuminati were wrong to exile the Hulk.

For one, they had no right. What arrogance to presume they can sit in secret making decisions that can affect the entire planet (and among them they have Dr Strange who knows the Hulk has personally saved the planet several times over...hardly makes sense to exile a known saviour...)

And secondly it was utter hypocrisy from at least 2 of their members: Tony Stark and Reed Richards - both have been responsible for innocent deaths themselves in the past: Stark has hundreds on his score-card whilst under mind control/tampering (just as is the case with the Hulk) and Richards...Well, apart from all the times his experiments have placed NY or even the entire planet in mortal danger, Mr. Fantastic is also indirectly responsible (an accessory before the fact) for repeated counts of global genocide!!
But the Hulk goes on a bomb induced rampage in Vegas (which is only referred to after the fact as having resulted in casualties) and he has to go?
Like I said, hypocrites - at least as written by Bendis (God alone knows why his work is so popular...I personally think his writing in the mainstream MU is terrible).

 

[S_H_F_4839]

The Illuminati are a problematic ret-con at best..One I personally think Marvel should have told Bendis to stick up his over-rated @ss, but since they did go and let the ego have his way....

The point made in WWH, and with the scans I posted (which clearly state he has never killed any innocent soul unless his mind has been severely tampered with/controlled in some way) is that the Illuminati were wrong to exile the Hulk.

For one, they had no right. What arrogance to presume they can sit in secret making decisions that can affect the entire planet (and among them they have Dr Strange who knows the Hulk has personally saved the planet several times over...hardly makes sense to exile a known saviour...)

And secondly it was utter hypocrisy from at least 2 of their members: Tony Stark and Reed Richards - both have been responsible for innocent deaths themselves in the past: Stark has hundreds on his score-card whilst under mind control/tampering (just as is the case with the Hulk) and Richards...Well, apart from all the times his experiments have placed NY or even the entire planet in mortal danger, Mr. Fantastic is also indirectly responsible (an accessory before the fact) for repeated counts of global genocide!!
But the Hulk goes on a bomb induced rampage in Vegas (which is only referred to after the fact as having resulted in casualties) and he has to go?
Like I said, hypocrites - at least as written by Bendis (God alone knows why his work is so popular...I personally think his writing in the mainstream MU is terrible).

I agree with that, I am not really fond of the illumanati myself.

 

[Golgo-13]

Haven't been on these boards in a while;

I hope Dr.Banner is whining over Betty for the entire movie like Peter was doing for MJ in the Spiderman series.

The reason i ask is because the Spiderman series has been an all around success, and Marvel/The Film makers might believe that that aspect of the movies might be one of the reasons for it's success and add it to Hulk.... :

 

[Khemik@L]

Haven't been on these boards in a while;

I hope Dr.Banner is whining over Betty for the entire movie like Peter was doing for MJ in the Spiderman series.

The reason i ask is because the Spiderman series has been an all around success, and Marvel/The Film makers might believe that that aspect of the movies might be one of the reasons for it's success and add it to Hulk.... :

In spiderman I think the Peter Parker character is your typical "Teenage" nerd who has a crush on MJ (the girl who is supposedly "too good" for him) so I guess that's why they can get away with him whining over her.

However I have the impression that Banner is a lot more mature than Peter, so I would prefer to see a sort of Beauty and the Beast chemistry, where they Betty is the only person who understands and is unafraid of the Hulk/Banner. And their Love should be displayed onscreen as a strong love that fight against all odds. That kind of thing

 

[TOUGHINGTON]

Ive just had some horrendous on the grapevine news from a mate of mine who workd here in uk at Leavsden studios. ( harry pooter james bond etc). The script has changed to show hulk in a more vulnerable way. abom is way stronger than the hulk now and hulk wins not through getting stronger but through using his brain to somehow overcome abom. I think this idea sucks and will undermine the one great power hulk has which is to become strong eonough to defeat anyone who wants to tangle with him physically. What do u guys think

 

[jadejaws]

well if that's true then I think that sucks.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Ive just had some horrendous on the grapevine news from a mate of mine who workd here in uk at Leavsden studios. ( harry pooter james bond etc). The script has changed to show hulk in a more vulnerable way. abom is way stronger than the hulk now and hulk wins not through getting stronger but through using his brain to somehow overcome abom. I think this idea sucks and will undermine the one great power hulk has which is to become strong eonough to defeat anyone who wants to tangle with him physically. What do u guys think

Your grapeline is sour . What you say is not validated and I have some swampland in Florida to sell you, really cheap, honestly. What a croc. No offense, but your source is a 100% wrong and.............look away, spoiler coming......................I know how the Hulk does away with Abomb and its not using his brain but brute force and rage. Sorry but I wont get into specifics about how, but I will tell you you will cringe when you see it.

 

[Golgo-13]

Your grapeline is sour . What you say is not validated and I have some swampland in Florida to sell you, really cheap, honestly. What a croc. No offense, but your source is a 100% wrong and.............look away, spoiler coming......................I know how the Hulk does away with Abomb and its not using his brain but brute force and rage. Sorry but I wont get into specifics about how, but I will tell you you will cringe when you see it.

Relieved to here your rebuttal....

 

[terry78]

This would be the first time I have heard fans say they don't want a character to outwit an enemy, but just blow him up real good.

 

[The Shrike]

This would be the first time I have heard fans say they don't want a character to outwit an enemy, but just blow him up real good.

Hulks simple mindedness is part of his charm, he's like a small child in a monsters body. Having him outwit an opponent would just take away one more reason why we root for him....the innocence of his state of existence.

 

[TOUGHINGTON]

in the original script he rages up but what i was told is ed norton wanted to change the ending as he felt fans wouldnt necassarily sympathise with as he said " one monster beating another monster". he was saying that to non fans that the hulk might not endear to them by being the same as abom so they have altered it so hulk outwits him rather than physically beats him. marvel want to make this at least a series of three so theyre not just looking to appease hulk fans but attract new ones and thay think that to do this they need to make hulk more vulnerable.
if you dont believe me then fai enough, but my frien is an avid comic fan aswell as working within the marketing dept at leavsden and he was quite sure ( and as pissed as i am) that this is the directyion that the ending will take

 

[FrostBite]

in the original script he rages up but what i was told is ed norton wanted to change the ending as he felt fans wouldnt necassarily sympathise with as he said " one monster beating another monster". he was saying that to non fans that the hulk might not endear to them by being the same as abom so they have altered it so hulk outwits him rather than physically beats him. marvel want to make this at least a series of three so theyre not just looking to appease hulk fans but attract new ones and thay think that to do this they need to make hulk more vulnerable.
if you dont believe me then fai enough, but my frien is an avid comic fan aswell as working within the marketing dept at leavsden and he was quite sure ( and as pissed as i am) that this is the directyion that the ending will take

Yay let's b**** and moan about something HAS been done in the comics now.

You really think Hulk has never outwitted anyone? -shakes head- I remember in a manip thread someone stating Hulk had outwitted Abomy before..(even if it was grey Hulk)

Seriously, you act like Hulk won't be tossing huge objects, won't be pummeling anything.

Abomination has always been stronger, (before Hulk gets angrier) so if the go this route, then meh, if they don't then meh as well.

Both endings will be fine with me.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

in the original script he rages up but what i was told is ed norton wanted to change the ending as he felt fans wouldnt necassarily sympathise with as he said " one monster beating another monster". he was saying that to non fans that the hulk might not endear to them by being the same as abom so they have altered it so hulk outwits him rather than physically beats him. marvel want to make this at least a series of three so theyre not just looking to appease hulk fans but attract new ones and thay think that to do this they need to make hulk more vulnerable.
if you dont believe me then fai enough, but my frien is an avid comic fan aswell as working within the marketing dept at leavsden and he was quite sure ( and as pissed as i am) that this is the directyion that the ending will take

That would kind of suck and just mean Hulk is not the strongest out there.

I understand Abom is stronger at the outset of the battle but the Hulk not getting stronger takes away one of the main factors that makes him the Hulk.

It is what it is at the end of the day.

 

[TOUGHINGTON]

well theyre just gonna adjust the fight in that hulk wins with humanity and guille as opposed to smashing . I suppose on screen that would look kind of monstrous to kids ( who will be the main target audience). so hulk will find a different way to win now. I believe he was originally gonna kill the bomination in a mad surge of power. This has been canned as an ending due to how they want the hulk portrayed for the 3 films.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

well theyre just gonna adjust the fight in that hulk wins with humanity and guille as opposed to smashing . I suppose on screen that would look kind of monstrous to kids ( who will be the main target audience). so hulk will find a different way to win now. I believe he was originally gonna kill the bomination in a mad surge of power. This has been canned as an ending due to how they want the hulk portrayed for the 3 films.

That is what I read in the script. If he overcomes him to knock him out using his strength fine. If he pretends to give in while someone else shoots a gamma ray at him not so fine.

One thing to note however, in the original appearance of the Abomination, he beat Hulk to an inch of his life and then was weakenned using a gun Banner developped and thereafter Hulk overcame him.

 

[jadejaws]

well theyre just gonna adjust the fight in that hulk wins with humanity and guille as opposed to smashing . I suppose on screen that would look kind of monstrous to kids ( who will be the main target audience). so hulk will find a different way to win now. I believe he was originally gonna kill the bomination in a mad surge of power. This has been canned as an ending due to how they want the hulk portrayed for the 3 films.

well that's ******ed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That would kind of suck and just mean Hulk is not the strongest out there.

I understand Abom is stronger at the outset of the battle but the Hulk not getting stronger takes away one of the main factors that makes him the Hulk.

It is what it is at the end of the day.

You know, every now and then i start looking forward to this movie, then something like this comes along and just slaps my excitment right back down. If they go for that ending it will not be liked by me.

 

[FrostBite]

You know, every now and then i start looking forward to this movie, then something like this comes along and just slaps my excitment right back down. If they go for that ending it will not be liked by me.

I think we are all to gullible if we believe the guy without a shadow of a doubt. Really, how many people can just come in and say they know a guy who did this, who knows this, etc.

I just don't even buy it for now.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Also

if you dont believe me then fai enough, but my frien is an avid comic fan aswell as working within the marketing dept at leavsden and he was quite sure ( and as pissed as i am) that this is the directyion that the ending will take

I think everyone here is an "Avid Fan" and his friend works at a marketing department in the UK? Hmmmmmm I think I trust EB, who worked on set in Canada, a little more that some guy in a marketing department in the UK.

 

[FrostBite]

Also



I think everyone here is an "Avid Fan" and his friend works at a marketing department in the UK? Hmmmmmm I think I trust EB, who worked on set in Canada, a little more that some guy in a marketing department in the UK.

Exactly, and unless that marketing company has access to the entire script (wouldn't make any sense at all...) or the entire movie (again... not making sense here), I don't see what a "Guy in a marketing company" has to do with anything.

 

[The Shrike]

.....look away, spoiler coming......................I know how the Hulk does away with Abomb and its not using his brain but brute force and rage. Sorry but I wont get into specifics about how, but I will tell you you will cringe when you see it.

That's what I'm hoping for, and it's more in line with the Hulks true character. Fixit may outwit Abomb, but when he's mean and green, rage is what defines him.