Answering script questions: DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPOIL THE WHOLE MOVIE

[Sava]

Wow! that's A LOT! Honestly, I want this movie to do well, but I think due to the last movie, it might not. There is no hype for this movie at all. They should have some teaser trailer for this movie to get people pumped for it like they are doing for Iron Man. I don't know.........Marvel isn't handling this movie very well right now.

yeah its alot but Marvel get more of the pie than Studios, Marvel get more % off Merchandising and all that kinda stuff. Maybe its a good thing, that they havent released just about anything, the hardcore fans know that there is a movie coming out, they've won most of them over with the amazing cast and the kickass pic from CC and it sounds like a trailer will be out in the superbowl ads

 

[afan]

Thats sort of the reason I mentioned that scenario not to do damage to the character, but to point out that in extreme situations things like this happen. I am saying that if the hulk got into a fight with someone like the abomination in a major metropolitian city, the casualties would not just be soldiers there would be innocents in there that would lose their lives as a result of the battle. It would also help in giving the military even more reason to stop him like a previous poster said.

First and foremost, nothing is "real" in filmaking; reality is consciously manipulated by the filmaker to elicit a response from the audience, be it the camera angle the lighting, the dialogue, the casting, etc. .Every detail is a part of the whole, an ingredient in the recipe. If fatalities occur in this film they are not just collateral damage, they are not the incidental result of a real catastrophic event, they are included purposefully by the filmmaker to instill a reaction from the audience.

Death, particularly the death of innocents is dramatically powerful stuff, and as you have correctly stated it would create a legitimate reason for the military to justly pursue the Hulk in a mission to eradicate his existance. This in my opinion is not the direction to go forward with. Fatalities resulting from the Hulk's reaction to attack, creates a "you made me do this" scenario for the HULK, and we all know how that lame excuse plays out.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

First and foremost, nothing is "real" in filmaking; reality is consciously manipulated by the filmaker to elicit a response from the audience, be it the camera angle the lighting, the dialogue, the casting, etc. .Every detail is a part of the whole, an ingredient in the recipe. If fatalities occur in this film they are not just collateral damage, they are not the incidental result of a real catastrophic event, they are included purposefully by the filmmaker to instill a reaction from the audience.

Death, particularly the death of innocents is dramatically powerful stuff, and as you have correctly stated it would create a legitimate reason for the military to justly pursue the Hulk in a mission to eradicate his existance. This in my opinion is not the direction to go forward with. Fatalities resulting from the Hulk's reaction to attack, creates a "you made me do this" scenario for the HULK, and we all know how that lame excuse plays out.

Egg-****ing-xactly. If someone dies as a direct result of what the Hulk does, the character is lost to me, people are seriously underestimating the value of innnocents here.

To the people defending the fact that people would naturally die from the Hulk's rampages, i ask you, if one of your family members died from Hulk 'protecting himself' would you just turn around and say; "Its okay that Hulk killed my father/brother/cousin/uncle/son/daughter/sister/friend," etc. because he was only defending himself?

Do you people realise how shortsighted this is?

And to the people saying "Hulk should kill because it gives the military more basis to hunt him," I'm sorry, you guys dont get the Hulk. This would make the military the good guys, and if the Hulk kills them for it, he becomes the bad guy.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

First and foremost, nothing is "real" in filmaking; reality is consciously manipulated by the filmaker to elicit a response from the audience, be it the camera angle the lighting, the dialogue, the casting, etc. .Every detail is a part of the whole, an ingredient in the recipe. If fatalities occur in this film they are not just collateral damage, they are not the incidental result of a real catastrophic event, they are included purposefully by the filmmaker to instill a reaction from the audience.

Death, particularly the death of innocents is dramatically powerful stuff, and as you have correctly stated it would create a legitimate reason for the military to justly pursue the Hulk in a mission to eradicate his existance. This in my opinion is not the direction to go forward with. Fatalities resulting from the Hulk's reaction to attack, creates a "you made me do this" scenario for the HULK, and we all know how that lame excuse plays out.

I was leaning more towards the abomination being responsible and the hulk getting the blame by some bystander who can't tell the difference.

 

[not_a_victim]

Here's my question, while I will go ahead and assume Gotham does have a copy of the script...
We have been hearing that Norton has rewritten quite a bit of the script, and continues to rewrite the script during shooting. Even if he has a script, is there any way of knowing if any of what he has read will be in the movie?

 

[Sarg92]

Here's my question, while I will go ahead and assume Gotham does have a copy of the script...
We have been hearing that Norton has rewritten quite a bit of the script, and continues to rewrite the script during shooting. Even if he has a script, is there any way of knowing if any of what he has read will be in the movie?

Louis Leterrier is aware that the First Draft of the script had been leaked online but he said it is six months old and had changes made to it for the better. So I think what people have read in the First Draft may not be in the movie because I know that the final battle between Hulk and Abomination has been changed.

 

[Gamma Warrior]

Changed in what way?

 

[Silver Knight]

Egg-****ing-xactly. If someone dies as a direct result of what the Hulk does, the character is lost to me, people are seriously underestimating the value of innnocents here.

To the people defending the fact that people would naturally die from the Hulk's rampages, i ask you, if one of your family members died from Hulk 'protecting himself' would you just turn around and say; "Its okay that Hulk killed my father/brother/cousin/uncle/son/daughter/sister/friend," etc. because he was only defending himself?

Do you people realise how shortsighted this is?

And to the people saying "Hulk should kill because it gives the military more basis to hunt him," I'm sorry, you guys dont get the Hulk. This would make the military the good guys, and if the Hulk kills them for it, he becomes the bad guy.

Dude, Hulk is NOT a killer. Period.

 

[FrostBite]

Egg-****ing-xactly. If someone dies as a direct result of what the Hulk does, the character is lost to me, people are seriously underestimating the value of innnocents here.

To the people defending the fact that people would naturally die from the Hulk's rampages, i ask you, if one of your family members died from Hulk 'protecting himself' would you just turn around and say; "Its okay that Hulk killed my father/brother/cousin/uncle/son/daughter/sister/friend," etc. because he was only defending himself?

Do you people realise how shortsighted this is?

And to the people saying "Hulk should kill because it gives the military more basis to hunt him," I'm sorry, you guys dont get the Hulk. This would make the military the good guys, and if the Hulk kills them for it, he becomes the bad guy.

No offense man, cuz I respect you Ave, but to answer your question about Hulk and my family etc. If there was a Hulk in real life, no way in heck would I ever sympathize.

If there was a Hulk in real life, I'd be saying "Kill it!" and so would everyone on this forum as he rampaged crushing cars, buildings. Etc.

If not wanting him dead for killing monster reasons I am sure tax payers would want him dead for the dents he'd put in their pockets to reconstruct a city!

So it wouldn't even take the death of an innocent for people to call for his head.

 

[not_a_victim]

Louis Leterrier is aware that the First Draft of the script had been leaked online but he said it is six months old and had changes made to it for the better. So I think what people have read in the First Draft may not be in the movie because I know that the final battle between Hulk and Abomination has been changed.

In reading Gotham's posts, though, I doubt he got it offline. He may have had it emailed to him, but it doesn't seem he just downloaded it, as more poeple would seem to have access to it if that was the case. Maybe he even recieved a hardcopy of it.
Again, it seems at times that Norton and crew are rewriting scenes the day they are shot, and supposedly even rewriting scenes after filming them, then filming the rewrites...
It could become quite slapdash, and in the past, has produced some quite disjointed movies. I doubt that is happening here, but it always lingers in the back of my mind when i here a movie is being rewritten on the fly like this...
Anywho, a quick direct question for Gotham about the script...
Is there any mention as to how he seems to keep from ripping out of his pants when he transforms?

 

[Sarg92]

In reading Gotham's posts, though, I doubt he got it offline. He may have had it emailed to him, but it doesn't seem he just downloaded it, as more poeple would seem to have access to it if that was the case. Maybe he even recieved a hardcopy of it.
Again, it seems at times that Norton and crew are rewriting scenes the day they are shot, and supposedly even rewriting scenes after filming them, then filming the rewrites...
It could become quite slapdash, and in the past, has produced some quite disjointed movies. I doubt that is happening here, but it always lingers in the back of my mind when i here a movie is being rewritten on the fly like this...
Anywho, a quick direct question for Gotham about the script...
Is there any mention as to how he seems to keep from ripping out of his pants when he transforms?

Yeah when I said online I didn't mean a website. Someone from production leaked it online by emailing the first draft to others. Gotham is not the only one who has the script and it is not a hard copy.

Don't worry about the daily rewrites part. Norton is totally focused in this project and was doing rewrites right to the beginning of filming. He and LL could have come up with a great idea and included it into the script. Everyday before a scene was filmed they probably sat down and thought if there was any other way of improving what they already had.

Don't worry about this film. It is in good hands.

Changed in what way?

For the better.

The First Draft had nothing about a car flying into a bus or any mention of burning buses. As Louis Leterrier said, the leaked first draft was six months old so they changed things and including a burning bus was one of them.

 

[Gamma Warrior]

Yeah when I said online I didn't mean a website. Someone from production leaked it online by emailing the first draft to others. Gotham is not the only one who has the script and it is not a hard copy.

Don't worry about the daily rewrites part. Norton is totally focused in this project and was doing rewrites right to the beginning of filming. He and LL could have come up with a great idea and included it into the script. Everyday before a scene was filmed they probably sat down and thought if there was any other way of improving what they already had.

Don't worry about this film. It is in good hands.



For the better.

The First Draft had nothing about a car flying into a bus or any mention of burning buses. As Louis Leterrier said, the leaked first draft was six months old so they changed things and including a burning bus was one of them.

Sound good!t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Dude, Hulk is NOT a killer. Period.

Thankyou, that is the exact point i was trying to make.

No offense man, cuz I respect you Ave, but to answer your question about Hulk and my family etc. If there was a Hulk in real life, no way in heck would I ever sympathize.

If there was a Hulk in real life, I'd be saying "Kill it!" and so would everyone on this forum as he rampaged crushing cars, buildings. Etc.

If not wanting him dead for killing monster reasons I am sure tax payers would want him dead for the dents he'd put in their pockets to reconstruct a city!

So it wouldn't even take the death of an innocent for people to call for his head.

And that is were i feel them taking a 'more realistic' approach would be idiotic (if the scene in question still exists), and i would have no problem with Hulk being feared, but he should NOT be a killer, because if i am in the audience and Hulk kills someone, you bet your ass i'm gonna start rooting for the army, and i seriously doubt that will the intention of the movie.

 

[FrostBite]

Thankyou, that is the exact point i was trying to make.



And that is were i feel them taking a 'more realistic' approach would be idiotic (if the scene in question still exists), and i would have no problem with Hulk being feared, but he should NOT be a killer, because if i am in the audience and Hulk kills someone, you bet your ass i'm gonna start rooting for the army, and i seriously doubt that will the intention of the movie.

Guess I'm a whole different beast then. Actually, I know I am a whole different beast.

In Hulk's case, I see from Hulk's view while watching. I as a viewer know Hulk's plight so they don't see it from some fictional-person-who-just-had-their-husband-killed's point of view. Puny army men trying to kill me... I smack them, they die. I don't care, as they were just trying to kill me, whether or not they have a wife and kid back home.

Now don't get me wrong.. I totally get why no one wants the scene, so if they change it for other fans, kudos, and good. I'm just spouting MY opinion, as to why it doesn't matter for me.

For me, the line would only be crossed if he were indeed a stone cold killer. Say... he's rampageing through a city, a woman walks by, he picks up the woman and tosses her into another county... then I'd figure "Oh crap, I don't like this one bit, please kill that fearsome beast."

But as far as a self defense thing, it doesn't matter at all to me.

I still hope they take it out for all whom it offends, but for me, the point just doesn't matter.

 

[not_a_victim]

So is Gotham still taking questions about the script or what?
If so, I have another one...
After Hulk kills Abom, does he (Abom) revert back to human form?

 

[Silver Knight]

No, he just dies.

 

[Riddick2009]

Still doesn't excuse it though.

You obviously don't read Hulk comics often. There is an actual series of comics about Hulk killing innocent people in cities. The ghosts of all the victims Hulk has killed over the years start haunting his mind. He has killed 100s of innocent people. You forget the huge buildings he knocks over and crushes people or the times he throws stuff. He doesn't do it on purpose but it happened. How is him killing soldiers that are trying to kill him making him evil?

I imagine if I was sitting at my house and soldiers busted through and started shooting at me and I fought back and killed one, that doesn't make me a murderer if it's self defense. I enjoy living and I will fight back if I have to. Hulk defending himself isn't murder. Why are the soldiers innocent? The Soldiers think they are doing right by attacking the Hulk and the Hulk thinks he is doing right by defending himself, who is right? When is a person innocent? Is a person sitting on his couch watching tv innocent? If Hulk killed him for no reason then I would agree with your statements but these Soldiers have guns and prob tanks and are trying to kill Hulk. How are they innocent? Is Hulk's life not worth protecting? It's hard defending yourself when said person is trying to kill you and you can only wound them.

Get over the Hulk killing someone in self defense because your posts are getting old.

 

[Riddick2009]

So it's not ok for Wolverine to take out a few bad guys, but it is ok for Hulk to kill a soldier who's only doing what he thinks is right. Yeah, that makes sense, .

So a person in the US Army must be a murder by your defintion because the person in the Iraq army thinks they are doing whats right. Does that make the US Army murders because they other side thinks what they are doing is right?

Just give it a rest!

 

[Nivek]

So a person in the US Army must be a murder by your defintion because the person in the Iraq army thinks they are doing whats right. Does that make the US Army murders because they other side thinks what they are doing is right?

Just give it a rest!

Jesus, you have to bring up Iraq into talk about a fictional character?

All we need to say is the Hulk doesn't kill innocent people, collateral damage or picking people off the street. Anyone one who thinks this is... well... "not enough of a fan to know the character". Do read an Image book if you like Heroes killing people.

 

[Riddick2009]

Jesus, you have to bring up Iraq into talk about a fictional character?

All we need to say is the Hulk doesn't kill innocent people, collateral damage or picking people off the street. Anyone one who thinks this is... well... "not enough of a fan to know the character". Do read an Image book if you like Heroes killing people.

By his logic any soldier that kills another soldier is a murderer. Both sides think they are doing right. Hulk is just defending himself if a soldier in the movie is killed. It's hard to use a real life reverence with a Superhero so I used the Iraq war. Either way if Hulk kills one soldier in self defense that doesn't make him a killer or a bad guy. See my point?

Hulk has killed people on accident many times in the comic, I know because I read the comics. They done an intire story about it. If Soldiers are trying to kill him and he offs one of them then tough luck. They know what they are getting into. How this guy says it's alright for Wolverine to kill the ''Bad Guy'' soldiers but it's wrong for Hulk to kill the Soldier in the Hulk Movie is beyound me. Why is one Soldier a bad guy and the other isn't? They are both doing their jobs but a person has the right to defend themselves. Just because the Soldier thinks killing Hulk is helping mankind doesn't make what he is doing right. I just thought the war reverence was need. Both opposing sides of any conflict usually think what they are doing is right. Hulk shouldn't murder people by no means but if he has to kill someone to save himself, then that's all fine.

Hulk isn't a superhero, he doesn't go out and protect mankind, he is a huge monster that just wants to be left alone. I wish people would quit calling him a superhero.

 

[wobbly]

I find it curious how people cant seem to understand the self-defense angle does not apply with Hulk when it comes to fighting anything human: no human, no matter what gun, tank, missiles, whatever they have, can kill him, so his responding to their attacks with lethal force isn't at all justifiable from the defense angle. This is why he has never (knowingly) killed like that in the books, and why he shouldn't do this on film either.

Seriously, this would be like a little kid taking a kick at your ankles and you clubbing them to death for it...An extreme example I know, but a more apt comparison than 'Hulk Vs. Soldiers', to 'Soldiers Vs Soldiers'.

 

[FrostBite]

I find it curious how people cant seem to understand the self-defense angle does not apply with Hulk when it comes to fighting anything human: no human, no matter what gun, tank, missiles, whatever they have, can kill him, so his responding to their attacks with lethal force isn't at all justifiable from the defense angle. This is why he has never (knowingly) killed like that in the books, and why he shouldn't do this on film either.

Seriously, this would be like a little kid taking a kick at your ankles and you clubbing them to death for it...An extreme example I know, but a more apt comparison than 'Hulk Vs. Soldiers', to 'Soldiers Vs Soldiers'.

And I am curious as to why a number of fans with different views on this can't co-exist without beating the subject to death.

For me the self defense angle does work, especially if he doesn't talk in this film. If he doesn't talk, than I'll assume he has the mind of a child. So in my mind, it's more like a kid who gets kicked in the ankles by a much smaller kid, hits back, and hits too hard.

If Batman fans can just ignore major changes for a good movie, if Spider-man fan's can just cast aside huge chunks of the characters personality, lord knows I as well CAN be open to a new interpretation of an existing character.

I was open while reading the Ultimates and I just happend to have hated it, but certainly not because he would kill anyone, but for much more obvious terrible personality changes.

 

[Gotham]

Are we still discussing that scene where Hulk kills the man?

 

[FrostBite]

Are we still discussing that scene where Hulk kills the man?

...sadly.

I think it left for awhile, but like most horrid subjects it finds it's way back.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I find it curious how people cant seem to understand the self-defense angle does not apply with Hulk when it comes to fighting anything human: no human, no matter what gun, tank, missiles, whatever they have, can kill him, so his responding to their attacks with lethal force isn't at all justifiable from the defense angle. This is why he has never (knowingly) killed like that in the books, and why he shouldn't do this on film either.

Seriously, this would be like a little kid taking a kick at your ankles and you clubbing them to death for it...An extreme example I know, but a more apt comparison than 'Hulk Vs. Soldiers', to 'Soldiers Vs Soldiers'.

Exactly, a human fighting back against another human, who is equal in size and strength, is not the same as a guy who can potentially lift up a planet if he ever had the chance to do so. Hulk has destroyed a meteor with one punch, so there is a big goddamn difference there.

And I am curious as to why a number of fans with different views on this can't co-exist without beating the subject to death.

For me the self defense angle does work, especially if he doesn't talk in this film. If he doesn't talk, than I'll assume he has the mind of a child. So in my mind, it's more like a kid who gets kicked in the ankles by a much smaller kid, hits back, and hits too hard.

If Batman fans can just ignore major changes for a good movie, if Spider-man fan's can just cast aside huge chunks of the characters personality, lord knows I as well CAN be open to a new interpretation of an existing character.

I was open while reading the Ultimates and I just happend to have hated it, but certainly not because he would kill anyone, but for much more obvious terrible personality changes.

But they didnt turn Spiderman into a killer (they turned him into someone CAPABLE of killing in the 3rd movie, but this fit with the Symbiote storyline), and there ihas been A LOT of debate on the Batman Begins forums about Batman leaving Ra's to die, but, again i find this totally different to killing an innocent person, as Ra's was going to destroy a whole city, and Batman didnt kill him with his own hands.

These changes didnt fundamentally change the character, while IMO, turning Hulk into a creature who is completely and utterly careless with his strength, is a BIG change in my view, THATS the difference.

And while you might not care about the soldiers, I will, because i know what its like to lose someone, or rather accurately, have someone taken away from you, and its the most painful thing i have ever gone through, and something i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy. THIS is why Hulk being a killer (if its still in the movie of course) irks me so much.