Answering script questions: DO NOT OPEN UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPOIL THE WHOLE MOVIE

[Golgo-13]

Predictions: How much money do you all think this movie will make worldwide before it leaves the theaters? I think it'll make well over 600 million dollars.

How much did Batman Begins make? It made a killing on dvd,i know, but moderate Box office cash. I keep comparng the two because just like with BB, the TIH is a chance of RE-NEWING faith in a fallen franchise.

Anyhow, i think it'll make BB numbers.

 

[The Joker_1000]

I think it should make up to at least 500 million dollars, especially if enough people like it enough to feel the need to watch it twice.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Well i love Ang's Hulk so i wouldnt mind that. And i'm sorry if i expect more than just crash-bang-wallop action in a movie. If a Transformers movie direct by Michael Bay can have character development, emotion and heart, then Hulk should have these things in abundance.

Yes Jamon, we KNOW.

I liked Ang's film as well, but you missed my point. I was saying that, in light of the recent script review, with so many people already criticizing the film and/or reviewer on the basis that the film will be more action than "smart" or "serious," they should get over themselves and watch Ang's film a few hundred times if, in fact, they're wanting another serious film. I mean, seriously. We had the serious version. Can't we, for once, get the "fun" version?

Oh and don't be sorry for wanting "more than just crash-bang-wallop action" - you're hardly unique in this.

No no no, you misunderstand. Of course quality should be a driving force, and by quality, I mean two things. Production quality, and story.

Unfortunately those arn't what sets criteria in Hollywood it's money.

What I was trying to get acrossed is many people are acting as a movie should be custom tailored to their tastes, and if it's not, then it's automatically **** as if no one could ever like it.

I misunderstood you then.

I feel like this has probably been argued before, so, to avoid feeding this cycle further, I think I'll just cede the point - though I'll leave a few notes.

1) Yes, the ticket sales did suffer a huge drop after that first week - I think 70% was the record - clearly people weren't paying to see it. Though I'll maintain hate is probably excessive, it obviously didn't strike the right chord with the public at large (though, in the end, it wasn't a bomb, I believe). But does that mean it was a bad movie? Bad at selling tickets, maybe...

2) I haven't been living on the moon (my place there is being renovated), but I also haven't been spending time in this place. So I'll have to take your word on the "3 out 4 comments are a knock on Ang's Hulk" thing. But I think it's important to consider the source: an internet message populated by ardent fanboys, many of whom (if their grammar, spelling, and attitude are any indication) are quite young.

3) Congratulations on liking Transformers. I had some fun with it too. But it was still crap.

Well, truth be told, it has been argued before. I just copy & paste my same arguments, adjusting them along the way to account for every possible question that can be raised.

1. I thought 70 percent was a record at the time also, but I researched it at some point over this past summer and I don't think it was. Whatever. Hate is kind of a strong word, but I guess I use it loosely around here. And no one talked about it being a "bad movie," or raised the notion, until you did.

2. Got a place on the moon, eh? Cool. The 3 out of 4 thing isn't scientific, but yeah... definitely a lot more random passers-by chiming in with comments to the effect that they didn't like the first movie and hope that TIH makes us forget it than those who actually loved the movie. My feeling is there's only a small small minority of people who absolutely genuinely loved every last thing about Ang's Hulk. The rest of us either had some significant problem with it, even if we liked it, or didn't like it at all. And trust me, I do consider the "source," as you point out - as much as I can discern of them anyway.

3. You know, I think I learned something about discussing movies overnight. When I said I loved Transformers, I meant that I loved watching it in the theater. It was great for a one-time viewing and I totally enjoyed it. But would I buy it on DVD? No. I buy few movies because they're seldom of such quality that I would enjoy watching them over and over... and I think this may be where you or others come in. You, for example, thought Transformers was "crap" because it apparently wasn't of the quality you were expecting... but is "quality" the only thing to appreciate about a movie? Are you saying there was nothing enjoyable enough about the movie to consider it better than "crap"? For me, it's 'no' to both. I think we can still love a movie even its quality wasn't up to our standards.

Oh, and I think "crap" is a strong word, just as "hate is probably excessive" for you. Reason I can "hate" something without ever offending the thing hated, but branding something wholly altogether as "crap" gets at the integrity of the thing considered crap - effectively rendering it worthless - and that, to me, is far more demeaning. You may be obliged to cede the point on this, also.

 

[The Joker_1000]

What are you two arguing about?

 

[Golgo-13]

Who gets to be on top first.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

What are you two arguing about?

I said people still hated Ang's Hulk despite its good qualities. I don't know if we're "arguing," though. Would like to think we're just beating each other senseless.

Who gets to be on top first.

*****é. Or is it touché?

 

[simonz43]

So does anyone know when there is going to be a solid trailer on this movie, and when is it supposed to come out?

 

[The Joker_1000]

Nope, no news on a trailer yet.

 

[FrostBite]

So does anyone know when there is going to be a solid trailer on this movie, and when is it supposed to come out?

June 13th 2008... for release date... right guys? Somebody correct me if I am wrong.

As for Trailer... first rule about Hulk forums, don't ask about Hulk trailer.

Second rule of Hulk forums, DO NOT ask about Hulk trailer.

 

[Scooter]

I liked Ang's film as well, but you missed my point. I was saying that, in light of the recent script review, with so many people already criticizing the film and/or reviewer on the basis that the film will be more action than "smart" or "serious," they should get over themselves and watch Ang's film a few hundred times if, in fact, they're wanting another serious film. I mean, seriously. We had the serious version. Can't we, for once, get the "fun" version?

Or, better yet, a film that is both fun and serious - so long as the "serious" is emotionally and dramatically compelling and the "fun" isn't dumbed-down, mindless spectactle, that combination ought to be the goal of just about any film of this nature, no?

Well, truth be told, it has been argued before. I just copy & paste my same arguments, adjusting them along the way to account for every possible question that can be raised.

That's quite clever. Reminiscent of high school. I should try that.

1. I thought 70 percent was a record at the time also, but I researched it at some point over this past summer and I don't think it was. Whatever. Hate is kind of a strong word, but I guess I use it loosely around here. And no one talked about it being a "bad movie," or raised the notion, until you did.

I seem to recall praising the first film - as a natural result of the course of the conversation stemming from news about the impending sequel - and then you chiming in with "and people still hated it". But really, what does any of that matter?

2. Got a place on the moon, eh? Cool.

Yes, the property is quite spacious. And the privacy is unparalleled.

The 3 out of 4 thing isn't scientific, but yeah... definitely a lot more random passers-by chiming in with comments to the effect that they didn't like the first movie and hope that TIH makes us forget it than those who actually loved the movie. My feeling is there's only a small small minority of people who absolutely genuinely loved every last thing about Ang's Hulk. The rest of us either had some significant problem with it, even if we liked it, or didn't like it at all. And trust me, I do consider the "source," as you point out - as much as I can discern of them anyway.

Okay.

3. You know, I think I learned something about discussing movies overnight. When I said I loved Transformers, I meant that I loved watching it in the theater. It was great for a one-time viewing and I totally enjoyed it. But would I buy it on DVD? No. I buy few movies because they're seldom of such quality that I would enjoy watching them over and over... and I think this may be where you or others come in. You, for example, thought Transformers was "crap" because it apparently wasn't of the quality you were expecting... but is "quality" the only thing to appreciate about a movie? Are you saying there was nothing enjoyable enough about the movie to consider it better than "crap"? For me, it's 'no' to both. I think we can still love a movie even its quality wasn't up to our standards.

I said I had a little fun with it. And I winked when I said it was crap. Does that count for nothing these days?

As for the "quality I wasn't expecting argument", I'm not so sure. I expected it to be crap, and it was. Surprise, surprise. You could say that it was successful in what it set out to do, that it adequately fulfilled its potential - and I'm all for cinematic guilty pleasures - but, at the end of the day, I'll still consider it a bad film.

As for "quality" being the only thing to enjoy about a movie, again, I said I had some fun with it. But when I said it was crap, I was making an assessment of its quality as a film, and quality is, well, quality. We all have differnet standards for classifying a "good" film; Transformers doesn't reach mine. At all. By a significant margin. Hence, crap.

Beyond that, were talking about enjoying something because it's bad - the aforementioned guilty pleasures. And that's fine.

Oh, and I think "crap" is a strong word, just as "hate is probably excessive" for you. Reason I can "hate" something without ever offending the thing hated, but branding something wholly altogether as "crap" gets at the integrity of the thing considered crap - effectively rendering it worthless - and that, to me, is far more demeaning. You may be obliged to cede the point on this, also.

Uh, no. This is actually kind of asinine. Are you Michael Bay? Did you personally have a hand in the making of Transformers, and thus are offended by what I've said? If so, on the one hand, I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings. On the other hand, you deserved it for making such a crappy film.

I was making a judgment call on the quality of the film Transformers. I said it was crap, and I stand by that. I meant to demean the film - as much as something without feelings or a consciousness can be demeaned, I suppose. Or, perhaps you meant I was demaing anyone who liked the film? I could have taken a more sensitive approach, maybe. I could have said, "Oh, I just didn't care for it, but you go ahead and feel great for liking it", but then we're getting back to those platitudes that so bedeviled the conversation earlier. If I'm making you, or anybody else, insecure in this matter, then that's really not my problem.

Are we so psychologically fragile that I have offer up a disclaimer before relaying my opinion? Are "IMO" and the likes still that important?

Who gets to be on top first.

Utterly ridiculous, distasteful, and offensive.





I'm always on top.

 

[FrostBite]

Are we so psychologically fragile that I have offer up a disclaimer before relaying my opinion? Are "IMO" and the likes still that important?






I'm always on top.

Nah, I could care less if anyone hates a film I like. Just as you could care if anyone hates a film you like. Back when I was rambling on was just so I could get up on my soap box for a bit.




Lies. We all know a guilty part of you likes the bottom as it just lets you kick back and relax.

 

[Cracker Jack]

My feeling is there's only a small small minority of people who absolutely genuinely loved every last thing about Ang's Hulk.

The rest of us either had some significant problem with it, even if we liked it, or didn't like it at all. And trust me, I do consider the "source," as you point out - as much as I can discern of them anyway.

That's where I fall into the mix. My major problem was the changes. Jamon, Sava, Ions and I discussed this over the summer, I believe, so I’ll just say the changes were what killed it for me. Apparently, this one (TIH) is going to be no different. More changes for no good reason. Bruno, of Hulkmovie.com said recently that Iron Man's origin (in the movie) is “so ridiculously freaking faithful it makes you wonder,"Why not Hulk too?" This makes me wonder indeed. I will hold or try to hold off my judgment until I see the movie but I can not deny, I would like to know the reasons why the Hulks origin, again, needs to be changed

I loved Transformers, It was great for a one-time viewing and I totally enjoyed it. But would I buy it on DVD? No. I buy few movies because they're seldom of such quality that I would enjoy watching them over and over...

I watch movies for enjoyment. I enjoyed the Transformers as well and like you, I don't buy many movie on DVD. The ones that I do buy are ones that I know I will watch several times because they are that good or do something for me.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

That's where I fall into the mix. My major problem was the changes. Jamon, Sava, Ions and I discussed this over the summer, I believe, so I’ll just say the changes were what killed it for me. Apparently, this one (TIH) is going to be no different. More changes for no good reason. Bruno, of Hulkmovie.com said recently that Iron Man's origin (in the movie) is “so ridiculously freaking faithful it makes you wonder,"Why not Hulk too?" This makes me wonder indeed. I will hold or try to hold off my judgment until I see the movie but I can not deny, I would like to know the reasons why the Hulks origin, again, needs to be changed




I watch movies for enjoyment. I enjoyed the Transformers as well and like you, I don't buy many movie on DVD. The ones that I do buy are ones that I know I will watch several times because they are that good or do something for me.

Think about the origin of the Hulk for a minute. Without getting into any other realms of possibilities. Would any man survive the blast of a bomb? Now really think about. A bomb. Not just a blast, like in Iron Man, An atomic bomb blast. Now, the origin of the hulk in comics doesnt talk about any prior experimenting on himself or anything like that, but how would he survive that blast? He wouldn't, and thus the reason behind a more believable in comic book terms translated to the screen explanation although not true to the original. Iron man is more true because the blast he survived was a mortar type of blast and not atomic. Had that been the case, Iron Man would have never been born. There is no way the non-comic book audience would believe a man surviving a bomb blast. And finally, with all of our men dying in the middle east from car bombs, it would not be very PC and downright insensitive. The movie would suffer because of this. People have a funny way of seperating fiction from reality sometimes and I see this as no exception.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Think about the origin of the Hulk for a minute. Without getting into any other realms of possibilities. Would any man survive the blast of a bomb? Now really think about. A bomb. Not just a blast, like in Iron Man, An atomic bomb blast. Now, the origin of the hulk in comics doesnt talk about any prior experimenting on himself or anything like that, but how would he survive that blast? He wouldn't, and thus the reason behind a more believable in comic book terms translated to the screen explanation although not true to the original. Iron man is more true because the blast he survived was a mortar type of blast and not atomic. Had that been the case, Iron Man would have never been born. There is no way the non-comic book audience would believe a man surviving a bomb blast. And finally, with all of our men dying in the middle east from car bombs, it would not be very PC and downright insensitive. The movie would suffer because of this. People have a funny way of seperating fiction from reality sometimes and I see this as no exception.

But it wasnt an atomic blasr he survived, it was a Gamma bomb blast, which was an EXPERIMENTAL weapon being tested because they didnt know what effect the bomd would have on the surroundings, or humans for that matter, si the comic origin is still quite plausible if it was done in the correct way.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's where I fall into the mix. My major problem was the changes. Jamon, Sava, Ions and I discussed this over the summer, I believe, so I’ll just say the changes were what killed it for me. Apparently, this one (TIH) is going to be no different. More changes for no good reason. Bruno, of Hulkmovie.com said recently that Iron Man's origin (in the movie) is “so ridiculously freaking faithful it makes you wonder,"Why not Hulk too?" This makes me wonder indeed. I will hold or try to hold off my judgment until I see the movie but I can not deny, I would like to know the reasons why the Hulks origin, again, needs to be changed




I watch movies for enjoyment. I enjoyed the Transformers as well and like you, I don't buy many movie on DVD. The ones that I do buy are ones that I know I will watch several times because they are that good or do something for me.

Agree with both of these points, considering this one is meant to be closer to the comics, they have made a hell of a lot of changes that seem unneeded IMO.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Think about the origin of the Hulk for a minute. Without getting into any other realms of possibilities. Would any man survive the blast of a bomb?

EB he was five mile or so away. I think people go into the theater for entertainment, to escape reality for awhile. Done correctly, people would believe it. Is it anymore unbelievable than the stuff that happens in the Die Hard or The Lethal Weapon movies? Or most of the action movie of the 80's for that matter? I don’t think so.

As far as being PC and downright insensitive? Have you ever served? I have and can tell you first hand we enjoyed watching fantasies

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Or, better yet, a film that is both fun and serious - so long as the "serious" is emotionally and dramatically compelling and the "fun" isn't dumbed-down, mindless spectactle, that combination ought to be the goal of just about any film of this nature, no?


That's quite clever. Reminiscent of high school. I should try that.


I seem to recall praising the first film - as a natural result of the course of the conversation stemming from news about the impending sequel - and then you chiming in with "and people still hated it". But really, what does any of that matter?


Yes, the property is quite spacious. And the privacy is unparalleled.


Okay.


I said I had a little fun with it. And I winked when I said it was crap. Does that count for nothing these days?

As for the "quality I wasn't expecting argument", I'm not so sure. I expected it to be crap, and it was. Surprise, surprise. You could say that it was successful in what it set out to do, that it adequately fulfilled its potential - and I'm all for cinematic guilty pleasures - but, at the end of the day, I'll still consider it a bad film.

As for "quality" being the only thing to enjoy about a movie, again, I said I had some fun with it. But when I said it was crap, I was making an assessment of its quality as a film, and quality is, well, quality. We all have differnet standards for classifying a "good" film; Transformers doesn't reach mine. At all. By a significant margin. Hence, crap.

Beyond that, were talking about enjoying something because it's bad - the aforementioned guilty pleasures. And that's fine.


Uh, no. This is actually kind of asinine. Are you Michael Bay? Did you personally have a hand in the making of Transformers, and thus are offended by what I've said? If so, on the one hand, I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings. On the other hand, you deserved it for making such a crappy film.

I was making a judgment call on the quality of the film Transformers. I said it was crap, and I stand by that. I meant to demean the film - as much as something without feelings or a consciousness can be demeaned, I suppose. Or, perhaps you meant I was demaing anyone who liked the film? I could have taken a more sensitive approach, maybe. I could have said, "Oh, I just didn't care for it, but you go ahead and feel great for liking it", but then we're getting back to those platitudes that so bedeviled the conversation earlier. If I'm making you, or anybody else, insecure in this matter, then that's really not my problem.

Are we so psychologically fragile that I have offer up a disclaimer before relaying my opinion? Are "IMO" and the likes still that important?


Utterly ridiculous, distasteful, and offensive.





I'm always on top.

I really enjoyed the read, kudos. Moderators, beware.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

EB he was five mile or so away. I think people go into the theater for entertainment, to escape reality for awhile. Done correctly, people would believe it. Is it anymore unbelievable than the stuff that happens in the Die Hard or The Lethal Weapon movies? Or most of the action movie of the 80's for that matter? I don’t think so.

As far as being PC and downright insensitive? Have you ever served? I have and can tell you first hand we enjoyed watching fantasies

Yes, as a matter of fact CJ, I have. United States Navy. 1979-1990. I have watched guys die, buddies and children.

I'm the second guy, bottom left. I speak from the heart when I say we have to be PC regarding such things. Been there, done that. Me working in production is only a four year stint so far. Before that: Military, LEO. I chose this new venture because I was burnt out and wanted to follow a childhood dream working in the industry.

Me working on the set at night. Fake train station from movie.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Thanks for your service Brother. I was Nav

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Or, better yet, a film that is both fun and serious - so long as the "serious" is emotionally and dramatically compelling and the "fun" isn't dumbed-down, mindless spectactle, that combination ought to be the goal of just about any film of this nature, no?

That's quite clever. Reminiscent of high school. I should try that.

Had a feeling you'd say that. I guess my method of copying & pasting (yeah, old tricks never die) can't account for every possibility. But that's fine. I'll leave it up to you to decide what would be both fun and serious in a way that resonates with everyone, Hulk fans and non-Hulk fans alike. And then someone else can take up their argument with you and there you have it - the cycles renews itself. See what fun you got yourself into? As I said earlier, the more time I spend on the Hulk forums, the more I'm convinced that some people were simply meant to be directors... but I was addressing that more to the skeptics out there, I guess. So regale us with your perfect Hulk movie. What would be both "emotionally and dramatically compelling" yet not "dumbed-down, mindless" action? Or give us a movie to compare yours to. Did you like Batman Begins?

I seem to recall praising the first film - as a natural result of the course of the conversation stemming from news about the impending sequel - and then you chiming in with "and people still hated it". But really, what does any of that matter?

It didn't really matter, I guess. It just seemed that you were drawing some hard lines in the sand about Ang's Hulk and I was trying to say, yeah, in spite of all of that, people still hated it. Ang's Hulk was problematic, that's all. If it wasn't so problematic, we wouldn't have so many people clamoring for this reboot to erase their memories of it. And so I was essentially laying down the gauntlet for you to explain why it so many hated it - a charge whose merit you dismissed at the outset - and, well, here we are.

Yes, the property is quite spacious. And the privacy is unparalleled.

And lonely too I imagine. At least got a dog?

I said I had a little fun with it. And I winked when I said it was crap. Does that count for nothing these days?

Sorry. Winks do still count. You also paid me a compliment along the way, but I guess I take things to the extreme sometimes.

As for the "quality I wasn't expecting argument", I'm not so sure. I expected it to be crap, and it was. Surprise, surprise. You could say that it was successful in what it set out to do, that it adequately fulfilled its potential - and I'm all for cinematic guilty pleasures - but, at the end of the day, I'll still consider it a bad film.

As for "quality" being the only thing to enjoy about a movie, again, I said I had some fun with it. But when I said it was crap, I was making an assessment of its quality as a film, and quality is, well, quality. We all have differnet standards for classifying a "good" film; Transformers doesn't reach mine. At all. By a significant margin. Hence, crap.

Beyond that, were talking about enjoying something because it's bad - the aforementioned guilty pleasures. And that's fine.

All fair commentary. One observation per the bolded part above: You said you expected it to be crap and, presto, it was. Is it any wonder? Wasn't the movie at a disadvantage before you bought the ticket? Why did you even bother? You must've been miserable... go figure.

Uh, no. This is actually kind of asinine. Are you Michael Bay? Did you personally have a hand in the making of Transformers, and thus are offended by what I've said? If so, on the one hand, I'm sorry if I've hurt your feelings. On the other hand, you deserved it for making such a crappy film.

Nope, not Michael. Didn't even collect the toys as a kid. I guess I'm just a subscriber to the FrostBite line of thinking, namely that every movie is someone's favorite movie (i.e. "there are no bad movies") and I like to think that I respect their feelings by not calling any "crap" as you have.

I was making a judgment call on the quality of the film Transformers. I said it was crap, and I stand by that. I meant to demean the film - as much as something without feelings or a consciousness can be demeaned, I suppose. Or, perhaps you meant I was demaing anyone who liked the film? I could have taken a more sensitive approach, maybe. I could have said, "Oh, I just didn't care for it, but you go ahead and feel great for liking it", but then we're getting back to those platitudes that so bedeviled the conversation earlier. If I'm making you, or anybody else, insecure in this matter, then that's really not my problem.

And no, not insecure either. Just a little more sensitive than you are. By all means, if you want to be known as a badass around here, go right ahead. Talk the talk. Trample on any movie you like... I don't care... but you won't make many friends that way. Not that you need or desire any friends, since you're living on the moon.

Are we so psychologically fragile that I have offer up a disclaimer before relaying my opinion? Are "IMO" and the likes still that important?

In a word, yes. Just lends credibility to all of our bull*****, you know? Hardly anyone around here has an original idea of their own that they didn't hear first somewhere else, or don't share with someone else even if they do. You can do all of us a favor by using "IMO" notation as appropriate. Good chatting with you anyway.

 

[Scooter]

Had a feeling you'd say that. I guess my method of copying & pasting (yeah, old tricks never die) can't account for every possibility. But that's fine. I'll leave it up to you to decide what would be both fun and serious in a way that resonates with everyone, Hulk fans and non-Hulk fans alike. And then someone else can take up their argument with you and there you have it - the cycles renews itself. See what fun you got yourself into? As I said earlier, the more time I spend on the Hulk forums, the more I'm convinced that some people were simply meant to be directors... but I was addressing that more to the skeptics out there, I guess. So regale us with your perfect Hulk movie. What would be both "emotionally and dramatically compelling" yet not "dumbed-down, mindless" action? Or give us a movie to compare yours to. Did you like Batman Begins?

Indeed, I did like Batman Begins. It had its problems, but it was a significant step up from its predecessors, and, in many ways, its peers. The sequel seems to shaping up nicely as well, though I haven't really been following that.

It didn't really matter, I guess. It just seemed that you were drawing some hard lines in the sand about Ang's Hulk and I was trying to say, yeah, in spite of all of that, people still hated it. Ang's Hulk was problematic, that's all. If it wasn't so problematic, we wouldn't have so many people clamoring for this reboot to erase their memories of it. And so I was essentially laying down the gauntlet for you to explain why it so many hated it - a charge whose merit you dismissed at the outset - and, well, here we are.

Well, I would say, "it had problems," rather than, "it was problematic". In any event, it certainly wasn't perfect.

All fair commentary. One observation per the bolded part above: You said you expected it to be crap and, presto, it was. Is it any wonder? Wasn't the movie at a disadvantage before you bought the ticket? Why did you even bother? You must've been miserable... go figure.

You could say that my preconceptions affected my outlook; colored my bias. But that's the case with most films - we see a trailer, read a blurb in Variety or Entertainment Weekly, and formulate an opinion. It's not a complete opinion, a reflection on the filmic whole, but because nowadays we know so much about a particular film before ever seeing it, it can get pretty close.

And frankly, it was a Michael Bay film. I've seen almost every one of his movies, and I know what type of director he is. Transformers wasn't any major departure for him; it was more of the same.

Nope, not Michael. Didn't even collect the toys as a kid. I guess I'm just a subscriber to the FrostBite line of thinking, namely that every movie is someone's favorite movie (i.e. "there are no bad movies") and I like to think that I respect their feelings by not calling any "crap" as you have.

And no, not insecure either. Just a little more sensitive than you are. By all means, if you want to be known as a badass around here, go right ahead. Talk the talk. Trample on any movie you like... I don't care... but you won't make many friends that way. Not that you need or desire any friends, since you're living on the moon.

That's probably true, every movie is loved by someone. And many of those films are, by and large, considered to be bad...or terrible...or crap. But people go on loving them, disagreeing with the opinions of others. And anyone who wants to disagree with me about Transformers is free to do so. But you (the collective you, not you specifically) should feel strongly enough about your convictions - your liking of a particular film - to not require my, or anybody else's, validation. And, if you don't feel that strongly, then why are you (again, collectively) getting upset?

I'm not sure how any of this makes me a badass, but ok.

In a word, yes. Just lends credibility to all of our bull*****, you know? Hardly anyone around here has an original idea of their own that they didn't hear first somewhere else, or don't share with someone else even if they do. You can do all of us a favor by using "IMO" notation as appropriate. Good chatting with you anyway.

Huh. I didn't actually expect you to respond like that. This all seems so elementary to me, so sophomoric - especially the concept of the "IMO"-type qualifier being necessary. Its all kind of ridiculous, to be honest.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

I watch movies for enjoyment. I enjoyed the Transformers as well and like you, I don't buy many movie on DVD. The ones that I do buy are ones that I know I will watch several times because they are that good or do something for me.

Ditto, CJ.

EB he was five mile or so away. I think people go into the theater for entertainment, to escape reality for awhile. Done correctly, people would believe it. Is it anymore unbelievable than the stuff that happens in the Die Hard or The Lethal Weapon movies? Or most of the action movie of the 80's for that matter? I don’t think so.

This is another topic that gets recycled on these boards... the whole suspension of disbelief thing. Well, I think a key part of the argument is your third sentence, "Done correctly, people would believe it." I mean, EB is right - who, really, would survive a bomb blast? No one. But that's why we have movies and plays and poetry and whatever, isn't it? To escape reality, to tell stories, to flesh out our imaginations, etc.? The movie Unbreakable comes to mind. In it, one out of 132 people survives a single catastrophic train crash. Believable? Hardly. But the movie grossed $95 million on a $75 million budget and was considered a success for M. Night. So not everything has to be believable; it just has to be done well.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Indeed, I did like Batman Begins. It had its problems, but it was a significant step up from its predecessors, and, in many ways, its peers. The sequel seems to shaping up nicely as well, though I haven't really been following that.

Okay. That's a good start, but it doesn't lay out your perfect Hulk.

Well, I would say, "it had problems," rather than, "it was problematic". In any event, it certainly wasn't perfect.

I meant the issues surrounding Ang's Hulk - hence the movie itself, for the purposes of discussion - are problematic. "It had problems" works also.

You could say that my preconceptions affected my outlook; colored my bias. But that's the case with most films - we see a trailer, read a blurb in Variety or Entertainment Weekly, and formulate an opinion. It's not a complete opinion, a reflection on the filmic whole, but because nowadays we know so much about a particular film before ever seeing it, it can get pretty close.

And frankly, it was a Michael Bay film. I've seen almost every one of his movies, and I know what type of director he is. Transformers wasn't any major departure for him; it was more of the same.

Ah, I see what you mean now. Well, I'm sorry about that. I'm not well versed on Bay's body of work, so I went into it with a fresh mind. But it begs the question: If it was no departure, then, still, WHY did you go see the movie? Conventional wisdom suggests you would've known not to, on account of your existing disappointment with his films.

That's probably true, every movie is loved by someone. And many of those films are, by and large, considered to be bad...or terrible...or crap. But people go on loving them, disagreeing with the opinions of others. And anyone who wants to disagree with me about Transformers is free to do so. But you (the collective you, not you specifically) should feel strongly enough about your convictions - your liking of a particular film - to not require my, or anybody else's, validation. And, if you don't feel that strongly, then why are you (again, collectively) getting upset?

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. It's just courteous to respect others' thoughts/feelings, and to qualify our own thoughts/feelings sometimes, with IMO, the emoticons out right, and other silly gestures that amount to going the extra mile to befriend people, that's all. If you don't want to, you don't have to.

Huh. I didn't actually expect you to respond like that. This all seems so elementary to me, so sophomoric - especially the concept of the "IMO"-type qualifier being necessary. Its all kind of ridiculous, to be honest.

And yet you're still posting here.

 

[Scooter]

Okay. That's a good start, but it doesn't lay out your perfect Hulk.

That sounds like a bit of a chore. I'm not sure I care enough to delve into that. Maybe later. Probably not, though.

Ah, I see what you mean now. Well, I'm sorry about that. I'm not well versed on Bay's body of work, so I went into it with a fresh mind. But it begs the question: If it was no departure, then, still, WHY did you go see the movie? Conventional wisdom suggests you would've known not to, on account of your existing disappointment with his films.

Again, "guilty pleasure". "Good because it's bad". "Mind-on-auto-pilot diversion". I can still have some fun with crappy movies.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. It's just courteous to respect others' thoughts/feelings, and to qualify our own thoughts/feelings sometimes, with IMO, the emoticons out right, and other silly gestures that amount to going the extra mile to befriend people, that's all. If you don't want to, you don't have to.

Sounds like needless babying to me. But then, I'm reminded of my "consider the source" post a few pages ago...

And yet you're still posting here.

Indeed, and "IMO" remains excluded from my repertoire.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

That sounds like a bit of a chore. I'm not sure I care enough to delve into that. Maybe later. Probably not, though.


Again, "guilty pleasure". "Good because it's bad". "Mind-on-auto-pilot diversion". I can still have some fun with crappy movies.


Sounds like needless babying to me. But then, I'm reminded of my "consider the source" post a few pages ago...


Indeed, and "IMO" remains excluded from my repertoire.

OOOooh, battle of the wits. I have enjoyed the verbal tug of war and am stimulated by the diatribe of both word-warriors. Why dont you guys just whip it out to see who's bigger, lmao. All in good fun gentlemen, all in good fun.