Ant-Man and The Wasp Ant-Man and the Wasp - Box Office Discussion

[writer0327]

115 degrees on Friday, that's when I caught it. That's when you go to the movies to save on that A/C bill!

 

[Hammer!]

When does this open in China and the UK? First one did gangbusters in China, made more there than BvS.

 

[Hammer!]

Would have done better in BO if he was in Infinity War. Seems like he’ll have sizable role in End Game so that’ll help An-Man 3.

Also, wish this was in November. Would have done better to breath from glut of 4 films in 9 months, and lesser competition. I like the mold of spreading films out better like last year; builds up anticipation and we don’t have to wait 8 months for another superhero film!

 

[Iceman]

Would have done better in BO if he was in Infinity War. Seems like he’ll have sizable role in End Game so that’ll help An-Man 3.

Also, wish this was in November. Would have done better to breath from glut of 4 films in 9 months, and lesser competition. I like the mold of spreading films out better like last year; builds up anticipation and we don’t have to wait 8 months for another superhero film!

I don’t know why they wanted to get everything so close together and then land us with a really long wait with nothing. I can understand BP and IW being close tigether.

 

[InCali]

I don’t know why they wanted to get everything so close together and then land us with a really long wait with nothing. I can understand BP and IW being close tigether.

Money money, money money money, money.....

Hated ABBA...Always Bad; Bad Always

Some palindromes better forgotten than posted.

 

[Web-Head]

Ant-Man just works perfectly as a fun summer movie. Pushing it back to October or November would've been a little silly to me. Just unfortunate we wait 7 months for Captain Marvel but it'll be alright. The breaks between releases is a good thing sometimes.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Ant-Man just works perfectly as a fun summer movie. Pushing it back to October or November would've been a little silly to me. Just unfortunate we wait 7 months for Captain Marvel but it'll be alright. The breaks between releases is a good thing sometimes.

AM&W just doesn't seem to fit the typical October/November film releases. Releasing it now and then having the home release in like October/November seems a bit more ideal since it'd allow for them to get the Captain Marvel preview stuff on it.

 

[psylockolussus]

:-( It looks like no Ant-Man 3.

A lot of movies would have been ecstatic with a 78 million opening weekend, Power Rangers, Tomb Raider, Pacific Rim... X-Men Apocalypse even opened lower and that's getting a sequel!

People should remind themselves that this has a production budget of more or less 165 million. This isn't the Avengers, the Justice League, the X-Men or Star Wars. Its a freaking Ant-Man movie! And the opening weekend is already higher than the first one's opening weekend. And I doubt Marvel Stud10s wouldn't proceed with a third film, its pretty clear that they have a three film routine for the solo films. They aren't breaking that.

 

[Web-Head]

AM&W just doesn't seem to fit the typical October/November film releases. Releasing it now and then having the home release in like October/November seems a bit more ideal since it'd allow for them to get the Captain Marvel preview stuff on it.

A lot of movies would have been ecstatic with a 78 million opening weekend, Power Rangers, Tomb Raider, Pacific Rim... X-Men Apocalypse even opened lower and that's getting a sequel!

People should remind themselves that this has a production budget of more or less 165 million. This isn't the Avengers, the Justice League, the X-Men or Star Wars. Its a freaking Ant-Man movie! And the opening weekend is already higher than the first one's opening weekend. And I doubt Marvel Stud10s wouldn't proceed with a third film, its pretty clear that they have a three film routine for the solo films. They aren't breaking that.

Yeah, exactly...to both of you.

I'd think we'll get a home release around Thanksgiving/Dec. The first one was released in theaters a week earlier and came out on blu-ray Dec. 8th. Perfect time for the holidays to help boost sales.

As far as a 3rd one goes, I think it's very likely. I think it could be one of the 3 2021 movies or at the latest, 2022.

 

[seriesofdreams]

Loved the film. An improvement on the first, imo. I wanted this to crack at least $80M but but $76M+ isn't shabby especially since it's an improvement on the first film. There's a lot of competition this summer.



Hoping for a kind drop next weekend. I'll likely see this one again in few weeks back in my hometown at a smaller theater (support small town theaters and all).


I'll cross fingers and hope for a nice uptick in the OS and DOM OW actuals.


Well done, Marvel.

 

[Frodo]

Dude(tte)....tell me about it. I thought it was hot in Santa Monica and then I had to drive down to Orange County. Fortunately, I was able to avoid Riverside.

I'm a Dude.t:.

Yeah, I feel you. I'm in the valley, so its been really bad, especially Friday, and Friday night was brutal.

I bought my ticket for Tomorrow night . It's still gonna be hot, but it won't be as bad as the past few days.

 

[Frodo]

115 degrees on Friday, that's when I caught it. That's when you go to the movies to save on that A/C bill!

Ditto. The heat and the film both sort of snuck up on me and caught me by surprise.

It didn't know either was going coming this week.Lol.

But I'm seeing it tomorrow night.

 

[legendkillin]

Ant-Man just works perfectly as a fun summer movie. Pushing it back to October or November would've been a little silly to me. Just unfortunate we wait 7 months for Captain Marvel but it'll be alright. The breaks between releases is a good thing sometimes.

I was hoping for a longer break next year between A4 and the next movie. Instead Spider-Man is out 2 months after it.



I can't see Ant-Man being in any month besides July or August. It provides some fun, the Oct-Nov MCU movies tend to be more mystical and serious besides Ragnarok.


When Marvel pushes 4 movies a year the breaks won't be long.

 

[KangConquers]

A lot of movies would have been ecstatic with a 78 million opening weekend, Power Rangers, Tomb Raider, Pacific Rim... X-Men Apocalypse even opened lower and that's getting a sequel!

People should remind themselves that this has a production budget of more or less 165 million. This isn't the Avengers, the Justice League, the X-Men or Star Wars. Its a freaking Ant-Man movie! And the opening weekend is already higher than the first one's opening weekend. And I doubt Marvel Stud10s wouldn't proceed with a third film, its pretty clear that they have a three film routine for the solo films. They aren't breaking that.

X-Men: Apocalypse received a sequel because Fox needed (pre-buy out) to make X-Men films in perpetuity to maintain the license.

The film had a poor weekend multiplier, which doesn't speak well for legs. It also performed virtually identically to Ant-Man 1, with a $30 M higher producton budget, and a much higher P&A budget. The P&A was over $100 M. This means the movie needs roughly $600-650 M to get in the black.

There are currently no indications that it's going to do much more than Ant-Man's $519 M.

 

[iEquinox]

Deadline on profitability:

As noted, finance sources believe the Marvel sequel will profit by a potential $100M off its estimated $162M production cost. A worldwide finish of $600M is foreseeable.

https://deadline.com/2018/07/ant-ma...a-global-international-box-office-1202422761/

Their estimated profit for the first one was $103.9M.

 

[iEquinox]

This means the movie needs roughly $600-650 M to get in the black.

$600M would already be 3.7x its production budget. There is absolutely no way it needs that much just to get in the black.

 

[NHawk19]

I know the debut was higher than the last one but I feel like this should've been released either the week before the 4th or the 12th/13th. The week of the 4th is usually nothing but picnics, barbecues, nights of fireworks, and vacations.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men: Apocalypse received a sequel because Fox needed (pre-buy out) to make X-Men films in perpetuity to maintain the license.

The film had a poor weekend multiplier, which doesn't speak well for legs. It also performed virtually identically to Ant-Man 1, with a $30 M higher producton budget, and a much higher P&A budget. The P&A was over $100 M. This means the movie needs roughly $600-650 M to get in the black.

There are currently no indications that it's going to do much more than Ant-Man's $519 M.

Its your opinion, not facts. Has it already opened in China, the UK and other markets? The film has yet to.open in a lot of major markets, and who knows if the drops in America are going to be small or not. You are writing it off as if, this cost more than 200 million and that every mcu movie needs to open over 100 million in America alone. Also, they could always give the third film, a lower budget.

With Marvel releasing 3 films per year, and won't likely release any films for Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and gotg after 2020. Its unlikely that they wouldn't give Ant-Man his film trilogy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

X-Men: Apocalypse received a sequel because Fox needed (pre-buy out) to make X-Men films in perpetuity to maintain the license.

The film had a poor weekend multiplier, which doesn't speak well for legs. It also performed virtually identically to Ant-Man 1, with a $30 M higher producton budget, and a much higher P&A budget. The P&A was over $100 M. This means the movie needs roughly $600-650 M to get in the black.

There are currently no indications that it's going to do much more than Ant-Man's $519 M.

This notion of no Ant-Man 3 confuses me. Ant-Man made $519 and got a sequel. This film was like a $150mil film and will see a slight bump in BO (probably hitting $600 mil or close to it). In other words, the profit margin will be similar to Ant-Man's. This is the lowest budget series Marvel is doing. The baseline to warrant a sequel is much lower. I don't think Ant-Man 3 is just likely, I think it is basically a guarantee. Probably 3-4 year turn around for the next one given what other sequels still are likely to come out.

Let us also not forget, Ant-Man will be in the next Avengers film, which will be a guaranteed 2 billion dollar film (or close to it). Ant-Man 3 is going to see an Avengers bump. Yeah, I am aware he was in Civil War as well, but Civil War didn't make Avengers money.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Another thing to think about on this front is currently, A&W is one of 2 franchises with a female lead or co-lead. Black Widow will be added to that, but given Feige's comments about adding more women into the MCU, I don't think they would freeze one of their only 3 female led/co-led franchises they have right now. Especially when they did see a BO increase (even if profit margin stays in same ballpark) and are likely to see another bump after Avengers 4.

 

[Jh7058622]

I think the biggest "problem" moving forward is they've always had the good press of having substantially bigger profit intake with their sequels this is the first that might break even with the last entry. Disney doesn't want that "negative" press so hopefully this film has good legs.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see either as problems. It's not like it is suffering a massive drop like Disney had with Narnia for example (which is why they let that lapse after the 2nd one and then it has been shuffling studios since). The overall BO is going up and the profit is stable. That is a good performance. I doubt Disney expected much more.

 

[iEquinox]

I think the biggest "problem" moving forward is they've always had the good press of having substantially bigger profit intake with their sequels this is the first that might break even with the last entry. Disney doesn't want that "negative" press so hopefully this film has good legs.

It'd actually be the fourth time an MCU sequel's profit isn't as high as the it was for its predecessor, not the first time. And it still remains to be seen whether that'll actually be the case. It could very well still end up turning a bigger profit than the first one did.

Either way, they'll get plenty of good press with it making more at the box office than the first one did. The press usually doesn't talk that much about the actual profits, unless a movie is losing money. And even if they talked more about profits, making a profit as big as the first one is not "negative press" at all.

 

[samsnee]

The Cinemascore was an A-.

So not horrible but not as good as Ant-man’s A. What was the multiplier on the first film?

 

[iEquinox]

The Cinemascore was an A-.

So not horrible but not as good as Ant-man’s A. What was the multiplier on the first film?

3.15, which is the 3rd best multiplier in the MCU after Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther.

Sequels are usually significantly more frontloaded than their predecessors though. $200M+ looks like a nice target for the domestic total, would need a 2.63x multiplier to get there.