Ant-Man and The Wasp Ant-Man and the Wasp - Box Office Discussion

[Ozbridge]

Currently my prediction is 70M OW, 170-200M, which is surely subjected to change when we have more news and teaser/ trailers.

Re-reading my prediction from last June and it was so off.

Thanks to the front-loadedness I was right from June 2017.

 

[harlequinade]

Any worldwide result was sabotaged by Marvel when they set the release in many countries for August

 

[JKKS085]

It ended up on the low end of pre-release tracking so I get why it can be framed as a slight disappointment. That being said context matters and in an over saturated market posting a healthy growth over the first installment is a great achievement. Now let’s see if it can legt it out past 200M dom.
Not every Marvel movie has to break out to be considered a success.

 

[honestbharani]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

Hmmm.. I am not sure anyone here is doing any spinning apart from yourself.

 

[Ozbridge]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel.

AMatW's increase from Ant-Man (total domestic) can still be higher than Thor: The Dark World's increase from Thor.

 

[Web-Head]

Wow, what a super-frontloaded weekend. After Thursday night, it was looking like a $90M+ OW. I wonder what the cause of that is.

It was the 4th of July weekend so a lot of people go on vacation. Probably part of the reason

 

[Iceman]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

A sequel to the smallest character? Where is the big surprise here. You were expecting it to outdo TWS or IM2?

 

[m2k]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

Oh so it's a mediocre film now.. even with 86% RT and people on this board giving it 7 and 8s cuz it didn't open to insane numbers?
Or should Disney have paid the audiences to go see the film too? Is that where they may have miscalculated?

 

[terry78]

It did well enough for not being released in other territories yet.

 

[legendkillin]

Yeah, but people can still look at country by country comparables.

That is true.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

The only people "spinning" anything are those trying to claim this is some sort of failure. The increase in opening weekend is about the same for Ant-Man as it was for Thor. In a crowded blockbuster season and after being overshadowed in Civil War by the intros for Panther and Spidey (As opposed to Cap and Thor getting huge boosts from Avengers stardom) I really am at a loss to see how this performance is in any way problematic for Marvel. No one expected Ant-man to be a billion dollar franchise. It's a fun, quality franchise that appeals to a younger audience and earns them money any other studio would be over the moon about.

 

[Ozbridge]

Overseas performance compared to Ant-Man (in $):

Country - AMatW - Ant-Man

South Korea - $20.9M - Not available
Mexico - $6.7M - $5.3M
Indonesia - $5.6M - Not available
Russia - $4.9M - $4.7M
Australia - $4.7M - $3.9M
Taiwan - $4.6M - $2.9M
Hong Kong - $3.6M - $2.4M
Brazil - $3.5M - $3.9M

Source: BOR for AMatW, BOM for Ant-Man.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The first one was quite leggy, wasn't it?

ANT-MAN, as a sub-franchise, will never be top-tier for Disney/Marvel, but it doesn't have to be. It has the rest of the summer to bring people in and it didn't get that worldwide push that most movies do these days.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

Ok there. Not sure if serious but probably a troll. If serious, we shall see when the dust settles.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

Marvel understands that not every film is going to wind up being a breakout hit like WS so they position certain films in windows where they think it can still survive the competition. Critically, it's being better received than the first one, which I think should please Marvel since expectations were fairly high after IW. Considering the first one's starting position and where this one is likely to end up, it's still positive growth in a very crowded summer market for many of the same fans/moviegoers. For a franchise like Ant-Man, this type of domestic growth is fine since it's seeing overseas growth as well.

 

[Mysteryman]

Marvel understands that not every film is going to wind up being a breakout hit like WS so they position certain films in windows where they think it can still survive the competition. Critically, it's being better received than the first one, which I think should please Marvel since expectations were fairly high after IW. Considering the first one's starting position and where this one is likely to end up, it's still positive growth in a very crowded summer market for many of the same fans/moviegoers. For a franchise like Ant-Man, this type of domestic growth is fine since it's seeing overseas growth as well.

I agree.
It did fine.
I am sure the movie will have legs.

 

[InCali]

I'm going to go see the 1pm 3D XD showing. I didn't have time on Friday or Saturday. If it comes in mid-high 70M, that's doing fine. It never had an ideal corridor to begin with. Whether it's mediocre has, for me, yet to be determined. I liked the first one and if I had to guess, I'd say I'll like this one too. Maybe I'll have a beer and pizza before and add another star to my rating.t:

 

[Superhero 101]

I was expecting OW to be 85 but 76 is still a good number

 

[MahvelBaby!]

How much competition is coming up?

 

[InCali]

How much competition is coming up?

The Rock (Skyscraper), Equalizer 2, Mission Impossible. That's not a BO killer, but certainly a decent 1, 2, 3 combination to the body in the first 3 weeks.

 

[Ozbridge]

How much competition is coming up?

Next weekend:
Hotel Transylvania 3: draws the kid crowd
Skyscraper: action crowd

July 20:
The Equalizer 2 (R-rated)
Mama Mia 2 (Musical)
Unfriended (R-rated)

July 27:
Mission Impossible
Teen Titans (kid + superhero + comic book movie)

August 3:
The Darkest Mind
Christopher Robin (double feature)
Searching (thriller)
The Spy who Dumped Me (action comedy)

 

[Flint Marko]

Everyone spinning this as a success when this is the worst opening for any MCU film sequel. People aren't buying the mediocrity anymore. They've been elevated with WS and other sequels.

Deja vu to the last Ant-man box office thread.

“Lowest MCU opening since Incredible Hulk! Doom and gloom! Sound the alarms!”

 

[rayc1971]

A sequel to the smallest character? Where is the big surprise here. You were expecting it to outdo TWS or IM2?

i know what was he expecting a 100mill opening weekend? it made 20mill more than the first antman and has a modest budget how is that a disappointment?the movie is going to make marvel a profit it will clear 200mill domestic and 600 to 650mill worldwide

 

[rayc1971]

I think Ant Man and The Waso AMATW will gross more than 80 million this weekend. Maybe even 90 million. Most likely 85 M though. It should make more than Doctor Strange (final donestic gross) but we shall see. These are all domestic numbers btw

strange did 262mill domestic this wont make that much but it should get over 200mill domestic

 

[iEquinox]

Wow, what a super-frontloaded weekend. After Thursday night, it was looking like a $90M+ OW. I wonder what the cause of that is.

I think it's pretty easily explained in hindsight:

First there's the obvious factors that add to the weekend's frontloadedness:

• It's July so pretty much all schools are out, that gives the Thursday number a big boost.
• It's a sequel and that always comes with some added frontloading.
• Thursday previews have gotten more and more popular over time, which lowers the internal multipliers.

And then there were some more specific special circumstances this time around as well:

• Thursday was the day after Independence Day, so on top of schools being out, many adults had the day off as well.
• Previews started at 6PM instead of the usual 7PM. That's the earliest start time for Thursday previews in the MCU(tied with Infinity War, all others started at 7PM or later), so there was an extra hour of showtimes on Thursday relative to the obvious comparisons.

And after the opening day it closely followed Spider-Man: Homecoming's trajectory. It made $23.1M on Friday excluding previews, and Homecoming's multi off of that true Friday number would have gotten it to $75.6M for the weekend, pretty much identical to what it's ending up with.