The Dark Knight Rises "Any move I make on Bane or the bomb..."

[Carnotaur3]

How about this guys... that bomb was going off in an hour or so anyway. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

[bane]

When did Bruce go to an airport in BB? He had a private jet by the look of it when Alfred picked him up... probably landed anywhere. After his face was on the news and he was back in public I'm sure all was sorted.

Who said the jet was private? I'm just assuming that he landed on an airport, as must people assume how he came back to Gotham in TDKR. He might have landed in a private unwatched by Bane's men airport by a smuggler's plane, shaved his beard and went on to talk with Selina.Again, I don't think every little detail must be presented to the public or else we would have a 5 hour long movie. People must fill some of the gaps. Why didn't Nolan show how Joker or his henchmen rigged a whole hospital to blow in just 5 minutes of time?

 

[Deserana]

People must fill some of the gaps. Why didn't Nolan show how Joker or his henchmen rigged a whole hospital to blow in just 5 minutes of time?

But the plot wasn't built around how the hosptial was an impossible place to get into and set up explosives. TDKR is built around a city being occupied and shut off for the world impossible for anyone to get inside or out. Therefore a character with no gadgets, weapons, disguise or help to just sneak in deserves a little explanation even if he is Batman.

 

[Anno_Domini]

????

The EMP blocker ONLY WORKS if it is mounted on the bomb!!!!!!!!

it wasn't mounted on the bomb until right before Talia pulled the trigger... Batman/The Cops had already started the war!

And Batman already states to Gordon that Bane may press the trigger when the war starts, but Bane doesn't bother to do such nor did Talia when she had the trigger. What's really the point of this thread? The dialogue was obvious and we see what happened. Batman thought Bane would press the trigger right away, but no such thing happened.

 

[Legion]

When did Bruce go to an airport in BB? He had a private jet by the look of it when Alfred picked him up... probably landed anywhere. After his face was on the news and he was back in public I'm sure all was sorted.

So you think that if you have a private jet you can just take off from your backyard and fly anywhere in the world you want without following any rules or regulations?

I'd really like to know the travel agents/pilots that booked Bruce's Trip to Hong Kong and brought back Batman and a Chinese hostage in TDK.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I'd really like to know the travel agents/pilots that booked Bruce's Trip to Hong Kong and brought back Batman and a Chinese hostage in TDK.

Weren't they South Korean smugglers using a plane from Arizona?

 

[Visiting Arkham]

And Batman already states to Gordon that Bane may press the trigger when the war starts, but Bane doesn't bother to do such nor did Talia when she had the trigger. What's really the point of this thread? The dialogue was obvious and we see what happened. Batman thought Bane would press the trigger right away, but no such thing happened.

Which is exactly why the TC created this post. Bruce didn't know that Talia was going to wait to reveal herself before detonating the bomb, so he was worried (rightfully so) that whoever had the trigger would detonate it if anyone tried to go after Bane (remember, he is still going off their initial threat).

Now, why would wouldn't he wait, perhaps even help Gordon put the EMP on the bomb? He knew Bane was at City Hall, so why doesn't Batman, Gordon, Blake, and whoever else go after the bomb, neutralize it, and then go after Bane and the League of Shadows? You have a way to negate the triggerman problem completely with the EMP. It just doesn't make sense given what information we had from earlier in the film.

The bomb didn't have any extra protection on it, you could even ambush all three with the hundreds of cops now coordinated and with Batman's tech online and running. He had The Bat at that point even, they would have had a huge advantage if they were that worried about the bomb.

If you were to think logically as Bruce, and Bane was a man of his word, the first rush of police would be enough to set off the bomb. What, is he taking a gamble on Bane's intentions? Not only does it make more sense for Batman and his forces to take care of the bomb with the EMP first, it would been a better finale with Batman, Catwoman, Blake and Gordon facing off against Bane, Talia, and the League of Shadows in a War Games scenario, rather than a 2 minute chase scene followed by flying into the sunset.

 

[Micromind]

Had Gordon employed many Cops to go after the Trucks, Talia would have just hidden the Bomb, they had to track the Trucks but they did so using very few cops, using Bat to go after the Trucks could have made Talia panic and then in desperation she would have pressed the button of the trigger.

 

[DerTommissar]

Which is exactly why the TC created this post. Bruce didn't know that Talia was going to wait to reveal herself before detonating the bomb, so he was worried (rightfully so) that whoever had the trigger would detonate it if anyone tried to go after Bane (remember, he is still going off their initial threat).

Now, why would wouldn't he wait, perhaps even help Gordon put the EMP on the bomb? He knew Bane was at City Hall, so why doesn't Batman, Gordon, Blake, and whoever else go after the bomb, neutralize it, and then go after Bane and the League of Shadows? You have a way to negate the triggerman problem completely with the EMP. It just doesn't make sense given what information we had from earlier in the film.

The bomb didn't have any extra protection on it, you could even ambush all three with the hundreds of cops now coordinated and with Batman's tech online and running. He had The Bat at that point even, they would have had a huge advantage if they were that worried about the bomb.

If you were to think logically as Bruce, and Bane was a man of his word, the first rush of police would be enough to set off the bomb. What, is he taking a gamble on Bane's intentions? Not only does it make more sense for Batman and his forces to take care of the bomb with the EMP first, it would been a better finale with Batman, Catwoman, Blake and Gordon facing off against Bane, Talia, and the League of Shadows in a War Games scenario, rather than a 2 minute chase scene followed by flying into the sunset.

Batman going after Bane then and there buys time.

Initially, Bane does not look like he plans on brawling in the street war. He will supervise and command from the height of the stairs.

But once Batman is in the mix, Bane can't stop himself.

We know Batman has to confront Bane, but doing this now buys the good guys time. His presence calls Bane out and dilutes the focus and precision of the LOS.

It makes excellent tactical sense to me.

 

[AnneFan]

Initially, Bane does not look like he plans on brawling in the street war. He will supervise and command from the height of the stairs.

But once Batman is in the mix, Bane can't stop himself.

We know Batman has to confront Bane, but doing this now buys the good guys time. His presence calls Bane out and dilutes the focus and precision of the LOS.

It makes excellent tactical sense to me.

The novelisation backs you up on this as well. "Bane had claimed City Hall as his headquarters. His army wasn't going to surrender it without a fight."

Just like Bane's "open fire" order to the Tumblers. It is said Bane expected the police army to break ranks and run at any moment once the shooting started at them. Clearly meaning as well he didn't expect a fight. When The Bat arrives out of the sky, the novel said this isn't part of Bane's plan, as it raises police morale and they charge. When Batman comes down into combat, it is then when Bane thinks "no matter, I broke you once, I can do it again" and walks down the steps to face off in battle, impatiently searching for his 'true enemy'.

 

[Deserana]

The novelisation backs you up on this as well. "Bane had claimed City Hall as his headquarters. His army wasn't going to surrender it without a fight."

I wish we saw that more in the film. Would have been good see Bane ordering people and looking like a leader.

 

[EliteF50]

I wish we saw that more in the film. Would have been good see Bane ordering people and looking like a leader.

... He didn't look like a leader in the movie?

 

[Deserana]

... He didn't look like a leader in the movie?

In the 2 initial speeches (blackgate and stadium) and a little in the war but in that big gap between he was barely in it. But I was just saying a scene in City Hall where Bane was giving out orders and wanting to know the situation of Gotham would have been pretty cool to see.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

You guys are seriously nitpicking the hell out of this movie!What about Bruce saving Ducard at the begining of BB(holding on one arm and pulling up a 200+ lbs man)?
What about all the crazy Joker plans in TDK that came out of nowhere(like the hospital scene) or Batman falling with Rachel with half his cape spread?I can go on and on pointing flaws of the previous movies, yet only this movie gets hate...It just baffles me!?

Yeah, let's look at the bigger issue. Didn't Bane just have that bomb driven around for MONTHS, holding the city ransom? I'm sorry, but THAT is stupid and lazy. How in the world did they manage to have the bomb being driven around for months before they came up with some sort of a plan, without putting some kind of real effort to get it away or deactivate it? I dont know, I'm just not buying it. Made me laugh at the movie honestly.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Which is exactly why the TC created this post. Bruce didn't know that Talia was going to wait to reveal herself before detonating the bomb, so he was worried (rightfully so) that whoever had the trigger would detonate it if anyone tried to go after Bane (remember, he is still going off their initial threat).

Now, why would wouldn't he wait, perhaps even help Gordon put the EMP on the bomb? He knew Bane was at City Hall, so why doesn't Batman, Gordon, Blake, and whoever else go after the bomb, neutralize it, and then go after Bane and the League of Shadows? You have a way to negate the triggerman problem completely with the EMP. It just doesn't make sense given what information we had from earlier in the film.

The bomb didn't have any extra protection on it, you could even ambush all three with the hundreds of cops now coordinated and with Batman's tech online and running. He had The Bat at that point even, they would have had a huge advantage if they were that worried about the bomb.

If you were to think logically as Bruce, and Bane was a man of his word, the first rush of police would be enough to set off the bomb. What, is he taking a gamble on Bane's intentions? Not only does it make more sense for Batman and his forces to take care of the bomb with the EMP first, it would been a better finale with Batman, Catwoman, Blake and Gordon facing off against Bane, Talia, and the League of Shadows in a War Games scenario, rather than a 2 minute chase scene followed by flying into the sunset.

That would be rather lackluster. Every cop going after the bomb, disabling the trigger, taking it to that underground base to be flooded and then go after Bane. Now that would be an awful ending, lol.

Plus, once again...Bane didn't have the trigger and Talia didn't even want to press the trigger until she revealed herself because she knew Batman was going to go after Bane. Theatricality.

 

[Micromind]

Yeah, let's look at the bigger issue. Didn't Bane just have that bomb driven around for MONTHS, holding the city ransom? I'm sorry, but THAT is stupid and lazy. How in the world did they manage to have the bomb being driven around for months before they came up with some sort of a plan, without putting some kind of real effort to get it away or deactivate it? I dont know, I'm just not buying it. Made me laugh at the movie honestly.

Gordon was not aware that Bomb hidden was in the Truck in the beginning and then they (Gordon and his men) did not have enough manpower with them to overpower Bane's armed mercenaries to get hold of Truck.

After Batman's reappearance, many Cops imprisoned in the tunnels are freed but by then Batman has given them a means to disable the trigger using the EMP device, all they needed to do is to find the correct truck and place the device there.

In the final battle Bane's mercenaries are busy fighting Cops and that gives Gordon and his mean a chance to get the Truck towards the under ground location of clean energy generator reactor, where the Bomb's core could be refitted to stabilize it and
to disable it. If batman and Cops had not engaged ban and his Mercenaries in battle at the Town hall, then this chance of attempting to stabilize the core would not have materialized. But, Talia foils this too by flooding the chamber.

 

[Viper81]

But the plot wasn't built around how the hosptial was an impossible place to get into and set up explosives. TDKR is built around a city being occupied and shut off for the world impossible for anyone to get inside or out. Therefore a character with no gadgets, weapons, disguise or help to just sneak in deserves a little explanation even if he is Batman.

I assumed he came in through the tunnel entrance (which is how he knew about it to tell Selena). I highly doubt that was an air tight blockage.

 

[mikey1974]

one thing to keep in mind - Gordon nor Bats knew at this time who Talia was,so they had NO idea that she had purposely tagged the wrong truck! remember the scene where Miranda nods to Gordon that the passing truck is giving off the radiation for the nuke,and then Gordon tags it. well before the battle started, they both assumed that the truck that was tagged was the one with the nuke. so in their plan,they figured they'd have no problem getting the EMP device onto the bomb,since they THOUGHT they knew the truck it was on. Batman and Gordon likely figured by the time the battle began, Gordon and co. would be putting the device onto the bomb, thus negating any attempts to detonate it early. so in Batman's mind,the remote detonator would be taken care of early in the fight.

of course once the battle started,it's not like Gordon had any way of letting Batman know that they had the wrong truck,and the danger of detonation still existed. so it's not like he could've pulled back and regrouped or something.

Batman also counted on Bane's vanity. fully believing that there was no triggerman, Batman counted on Bane being a bit unbelieving that he was able to come back,and his anger at not completely having "broken" The Batman would lead his pride and vanity to make him take care of batmna personally,rather than with a remote bomb.

 

[Greens]

In the 2 initial speeches (blackgate and stadium) and a little in the war but in that big gap between he was barely in it. But I was just saying a scene in City Hall where Bane was giving out orders and wanting to know the situation of Gotham would have been pretty cool to see.

What about his swagger walk when the army of cops comes walking down the street?

 

[Deserana]

What about his swagger walk when the army of cops comes walking down the street?

That's what I meant when I said "a little in the war" t: but before that up to the blackgate speech I think Bane only decent chunk of dialogue "hang them where.....". A scene with Bane mocking the citizens of Gotham or him giving orders would have been cool but he seemed to just disappear.

 

[Greens]

That's what I meant when I said "a little in the war" t: but before that up to the blackgate speech I think Bane only decent chunk of dialogue "hang them where.....". A scene with Bane mocking the citizens of Gotham or him giving orders would have been cool but he seemed to just disappear.

I agree but there's only so much time.

 

[TDKR2012]

one thing to keep in mind - Gordon nor Bats knew at this time who Talia was,so they had NO idea that she had purposely tagged the wrong truck! remember the scene where Miranda nods to Gordon that the passing truck is giving off the radiation for the nuke,and then Gordon tags it. well before the battle started, they both assumed that the truck that was tagged was the one with the nuke.

wow! i actually didn't think of that! I just assumed they switched the trucks again at the end,


And I honestly don't think this is nitpicking. I obviously created this thread because I thought it was something worth discussing.

Nitpicking imo is more like complaining about irrelevant things that have no effect on story whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE these movies! but as I've said before, there are a few things worth talking about that some might see as errors and others won't... That's why these movies are so fun!

 

[DerTommissar]

The novelisation backs you up on this as well. "Bane had claimed City Hall as his headquarters. His army wasn't going to surrender it without a fight."

Just like Bane's "open fire" order to the Tumblers. It is said Bane expected the police army to break ranks and run at any moment once the shooting started at them. Clearly meaning as well he didn't expect a fight. When The Bat arrives out of the sky, the novel said this isn't part of Bane's plan, as it raises police morale and they charge. When Batman comes down into combat, it is then when Bane thinks "no matter, I broke you once, I can do it again" and walks down the steps to face off in battle, impatiently searching for his 'true enemy'.

Thanks again, AnneFan.

I have not read the novel but I have a shooting script.

Would like to get the novel though. The story details people in the forums are gleaning from it are very cool.