Anyone afraid POTC 2 might break any Spidey Records?

[matrix_ghost]

YEs that is true cmill. But do you honestly think Spidey has a chance of hitting the 1 billion mark. Scratch that , doe you it even has a chance of hitting the 900 million mark ?

Spidey , even tough it's a comic read by many people , is still geared towards the 12-35 male audience whereas Pirates is a movie that is geared towards ALL AGES. Grandpa's , grandma's , moms ( who are MILFS) , dads , everyone can watch these movies.

I'm sure Spidey will open huge in north america and maybe even hit the 400 million mark again or at least surpassing the domestic gross of the second movie. But i really don't see it coming close to the 900 million mark

 

[Homem-Aranha#1]

I think most people are gonna say: "i'm not gonna see that movie. spider-man is wearing that weird black costume. what's up whith that?" , "what happened to his classic costume. Raimi is messing thing's up"
People are not as open minded as you think...(unfortunatly)

 

[batman7289]

of course potc2 will break the records..
many people know about about potc than spiderman..
parents may not allow there younger kids to see sm3 and they will allow them to see potc3

 

[Cmill216]

But do you honestly think Spidey has a chance of hitting the 1 billion mark. Scratch that , doe you it even has a chance of hitting the 900 million mark ?

Anything is possible. Sounds cliche, but it's true. The hype for this movie is through the roof (even judging by the constant buzz in media outlets around the world).

Spidey , even tough it's a comic read by many people , is still geared towards the 12-35 male audience whereas Pirates is a movie that is geared towards ALL AGES. Grandpa's , grandma's , moms ( who are MILFS) , dads , everyone can watch these movies.

If Spider-Man 2 was geared towards the 12-35 male audience, then the 12-35 audience must really love romance flicks, cause that is essentially what SM2 turned out to be for the first most part. The Spider-Man films are for everyone, just as POTC is, however the swashbuckling adventure feel of Pirates 2 was a breath of fresh air this year.

 

[Cmill216]

I think most people are gonna say: "i'm not gonna see that movie. spider-man is wearing that weird black costume. what's up whith that?" , "what happened to his classic costume. Raimi is messing thing's up"
People are not as open minded as you think...(unfortunatly)

You're really making the public to be dumber than they really are.

Did you watch the video where Raimi and Church screened the trailer for a large group of random people in New York and London? If not, they interviewed said people afterwards and asked them what they thought and they each said the same thing: "Oh, man. I'm really interested to see what the black suit is all about. Can't wait to see the film."

 

[Cmill216]

many people know about about potc than spiderman..

 

[matrix_ghost]

If Spider-Man 2 was geared towards the 12-35 male audience, then the 12-35 audience must really love romance flicks, cause that is essentially what SM2 turned out to be for the first most part. The Spider-Man films are for everyone, just as POTC is, however the swashbuckling adventure feel of Pirates 2 was a breath of fresh air this year.

I disagree. Spiderman 2 was an improvement on Spiderman 1 in terms if technicalities.Critics and fans feel that Spidey 2 is also better then Spidey1 . I don't But IMO the lower BO results of Spidey 2 is actually due to the ronmatic story .

If mean if the movie is better then it's predecessor , surely you'd think that the 400 million should again be in reach , even with the fact that the first spiderman movie was the blockbuster many people wanted to see post 9/11.
I do think that Spidey 2 making less then spidey 1 was due to the romantic story.
IMO the second movie really had pacing problems , with an solid 1/3 , really slow 2/3 and all out action packed final third.
Heck i fell asleep when i watched Spiderman 2 in IMAX. First time i ever saw a flick in IMAX and i fell asleep during those boring rom com scenes.


And also i do remember the teaser and the comic con trailer of Spidey 2 getting heaps of postive reviews.
Just when we thought the teaser was just about love scenes , in comes the first glimpse of Doc Ock .
And the comic con footage drew raves from everyone.
I see the same things happening with the 3rd movie. Everyone's jaw dropped when they saw the teaser and everyone was cheering when the comic con footage was shown with Venom at the end.
It has alot of positive things going on , i'll admit that. And from the looks of it doesn't like like there's much love story scenes going on ( hopefully) and more geared towards the action. I hope they'll improve on the pacing. With three villains ...well mostly 2 then ( goblin and sandman) being featured more heavily in the film , spiderman will constantly be fighting them.

But to be honest , i see this movie performing better then the second one but maybe slighty worse then the second one

 

[SLYspyder]

anyone who thinks Spider-man is just for a certain age group is dumb.

All the little kids in kindergarten, do you see pirates or Spider-man on their backpacks or lunchboxes?

As for over 35, you're forgetting that comics sold alot more in the past. Those who bought Spider-Man, making him a hot seller, in the 60's, 70's, and 80's will be just as eager to see their hero on screen.

So you can't say Spider-Man is just for 12-35. that's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[matrix_ghost]

~Sigh~.

How many times did you watcth the spiderman movies in cinemas ?
Did you see grandparents watching the movies with their grandkids ? Each and every time you went to the cinema ?
IF you can remember how many times you went to watch those movies , how old would you guess the average age was of those present in the audience. Or more specific the majority of the audience members were between which age group ?

I know the comics is ages old. But the movies are geared towards a specific age group.
And there are alot of old 30 year , 40 year , 50 year old comic book readers who are parents and also don't want to see the spidey movies because they feel that the movies don't capture the comics exactly.
I know a couple of them.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I just saw the numbers today.... if anyone thinks SPidey is gonna edge out POTC 3... ur mistaken... I didn't think so at first but it obviously ain't happening...

 

[FaT_tONle]

anyone who thinks Spider-man is just for a certain age group is dumb.

All the little kids in kindergarten, do you see pirates or Spider-man on their backpacks or lunchboxes?

As for over 35, you're forgetting that comics sold alot more in the past. Those who bought Spider-Man, making him a hot seller, in the 60's, 70's, and 80's will be just as eager to see their hero on screen.

So you can't say Spider-Man is just for 12-35. that's absolutely ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous man? How many forty year olds read comics... not the majority... Spidey 3 is gonna be owned regardless...

 

[matrix_ghost]

Also i'd like to add this.
Obviously the movie is made for everyone. However there are specific groups for specific movies.
Blockbusters tend to focus more on the teens and young males. Why , because they there the biggest source of income for the movies. They are the ones who watch the movie often.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2004-07-05-spiderman2-boxoffice_x.htm

According to Sony vice chairman Jeff Blake, about 52% of the audience was male, and 55% was 25 and younger. But the film "played across every demographic," says Marvel Studios chief Avi Arad, who also produced Spider-Man 2. "We're getting a lot of people who only saw the first movie on video but came out to the theaters for this one."

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=1157&p=.htm

According to Sony, Spider-Man's audience was split evenly between males and females and those over and under the age of 25.

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/070504.htm

The Spidey sequel's five-day opening tally of $152.6M ranks first among megahits opening on Wednesdays easily beating out the old record of $129M set by Shrek 2. And the Friday-to-Monday tally is the best ever for any movie opening over a four-day holiday weekend. Spider-Man 2 attracted a broad audience that was very pleased with the picture according to research issued by Sony. Males made up 52% of the crowd proving that the typical comic book audience of guys did not dominate the turnout. Those under 25 accounted for 55% and 91% categorized the film as "excellent" or "very good."

Even tough the movies is made towards all audience , it's more geared towards that age demographic.



Not everyone who has read comics in the past continues to do when their parents . So i don't think it's right to say that all those people who read comics back then also flock to the cinemas to see these movies.
If that were the case then movies like Batman , Superman and Spiderman shoudl've outgrossed Titanic on more then one occasion.

 

[Cmill216]

52%? Is that really a significant margin of difference? I'm not sure, actually.

 

[gvcool2]

I'm still trying to figure out what's scary about pirates of the carribean geting more money than spiderman?

 

[Karea07]

PotC is about to beat worldwide sales of Phantom Menace... I think some billion. wow.

 

[mopho]

No,i don't care about records,only quality movies

exactly, after potc2 got more money than superman returns u could expect anything. and spiderman 1 break box office records? cmon, u cant compare quality and money

 

[neobido9999]

for the last time who cares about box office, ultimately?

guess what, i dont like titanic
guess what, i though return of the king was the least good of the trilogy
i happen to like POTC2, but not because how much richer it made everyone involved in it

quality != money


end of rant

so no, it wouldn't trouble me for half a second in POTC2 broke any records

 

[Homem-Aranha#1]

POTC2 just, oficcialy broke the billion $ barrier ( the 3rd one in movie history).
c'mon sm3, you can do it...

 

[explode7]

^I doubt it but here's to hoping

 

[gvcool2]

I'm generally suprised that pirates grossed 1 billion!!

 

[Sentinel X]

of course potc2 will break the records..
many people know about about potc than spiderman..
parents may not allow there younger kids to see sm3 and they will allow them to see potc3

Why??POTC 2 was as family-friendly as people say. My little sister could barely watch it cause Davy Jones scared the crap out of her, I saw SM2 and she wasnt a bit freaked out.
Venom wont appear til the last 10 minutes, so the main villain is Sandman. I think Spidey has a pretty big audience imo

I'm generally suprised that pirates grossed 1 billion!!

So am I, I thought itd do worse than the first. I cant believe it broke SM1's record.

 

[Sentinel X]

A little difficult? I doubt Spidey 3 will even make $55m

Most likely $53m.

NO doubt Spideys opening day will be HUGE...Im pretty sure itll be POTC 2...but domestic and int total will be hard

 

[Spider-Bite]

when you look on the main page and see the results of the poll for which movie people are looking forward to the most 66.3% say spider-man. I'll admit this is a comic book site that doesn't even have Pirates included as an option for their poll, but regardless Spider-Man is more hyped, and I highly doubt there are many people just sitting at home day dreaming or visiting their message boards talkiing and speculating about Pirates, with their pirates collection of stuff. Plus Pirates doesn't even have Venom, and it's probably a repeat villain of Davy Jones.

 

[dodus]

According to Sony vice chairman Jeff Blake, about 52% of the audience was male, and 55% was 25 and younger. But the film "played across every demographic," says Marvel Studios chief Avi Arad, who also produced Spider-Man 2. "We're getting a lot of people who only saw the first movie on video but came out to the theaters for this one."

Whoa, 52% of moviegoers are male!

That's like...half!