Arnold Is Back for Terminator 5 - Part 1

[Thundercrack85]

Given Arnold's presence, it'll be a Trek '09 style reboot.

Well, his presence did miracles for Terminator 3 and Salvation.

 

[StarLord]

He was hardly ''present'' for TS and he was the least of T3's problems.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Given Arnold's presence, it'll be a Trek '09 style reboot.

I would be 100% ok with that myself.

 

[Solidus]

Eh I still think the Arnold thing is in the air. If he is in it it will be a small cameo. But I think this will be a hard reboot. Doing a soft re-boot like ST09 does not work, the timelines are already so wonky, you just can't do it. You can't have it magically be where Sarah is 19 in 2015. Makes no sense. They can't do a soft reboot, this will be a hard reboot.

 

[dude stannis]

And according to the Hollywood Reporter, Arnold is back as the Terminator.

As in the age appropriate role of Deathstroke The Terminator?

Well, his presence did miracles for Terminator 3 and Salvation.

Well since Christian Bale stunk the joint up as well, it's got more to do with the people behind the camera, than the ones in front of it.

He was hardly ''present'' for TS and he was the least of T3's problems.

I would be 100% ok with that myself.

Agreed on both counts.

 

[the last son]

If you're going to reboot it, bring in new characters as well. No more Conner's let's start from scratch.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

That would be like rebooting Batman without Alfred or even Bruce Wayne himself, the Conners are the core characters of the story, no thanks to that.

 

[Solidus]

Ya the story of John is important. And it sounds like the Connors are back too. So that's a good thing.

 

[dude stannis]

Eh I still think the Arnold thing is in the air. If he is in it it will be a small cameo. But I think this will be a hard reboot. Doing a soft re-boot like ST09 does not work, the timelines are already so wonky, you just can't do it. You can't have it magically be where Sarah is 19 in 2015. Makes no sense. They can't do a soft reboot, this will be a hard reboot.

Who says the Sarah/Kyle stuff doesn't take place in the 80's? Can we not jump to conclusions please?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Even though I kind of liked the Terminator TV show, it felt kind of forced for them to keep having to tie it back to the distant original.

Terminator, and it's sequel were great, but that was thirty and twenty years ago. They really should move on.

Even the T-800 is obsolete in a lot of ways.

 

[Solidus]

Who says the Sarah/Kyle stuff doesn't take place in the 80's? Can we not jump to conclusions please?

And what are you doing? You are jumping to conclusions that they will try to do some kind of ST09 thing. They may, they may not. I'm saying my reasons why they won't.

I'm saying that they probably don't want to spend the money to do a "retro" reboot. It is costly to retro-fit everything.

I'm not saying it's 100% but I'm saying what I think will happen. We shall see, but I think they won't try to do any of that. They will just start fresh. If they don't, well I was wrong and I'm never ashamed to admit those things. But I have a strong feeling from a business stand point and somewhat as a personal fan stand point rebooting it sounds like what they would aim to do.

 

[Solidus]

Even though I kind of liked the Terminator TV show, it felt kind of forced for them to keep having to tie it back to the distant original.

Terminator, and it's sequel were great, but that was thirty and twenty years ago. They really should move on.

Even the T-800 is obsolete in a lot of ways.

I somewhat agree. I was very against a reboot after T3. But after TS I just realizes that story wise it would be for the best instead of trying to make some kind of convoluted effort to fix it. More so, people just are not Terminator fans like they were in the late 80's and especially early 90's. As I said before most of the newer generations don't even know what it is. Which saddens me, but this may be the time to re-tell this classic story.

I'm hoping for the best and I'm open to a lot of things, but I admit I'm weary.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, I just don't see much of a point. Again, Terminator 2 didn't leave much room for a sequel. Certainly not what Terminator 3 had in mind (which outright ignored most of Terminator 2). And Salvation inherited that convoluted mess (and added to it).

So at this point, really the only (sensible) option left is to start over.

 

[dude stannis]

And what are you doing? You are jumping to conclusions that they will try to do some kind of ST09 thing. They may, they may not. I'm saying my reasons why they won't.

I'm very much open that I'm making assumptions. There's nothing that we know for a fact that could point us either way.

I'm saying that they probably don't want to spend the money to do a "retro" reboot. It is costly to retro-fit everything.

If we can get cheapo Jason Statham movies set in the 70's/80's, then I doubt a big budget sci-fi blockbuster will have that problem.

I'm not saying it's 100% but I'm saying what I think will happen. We shall see, but I think they won't try to do any of that. They will just start fresh. If they don't, well I was wrong and I'm never ashamed to admit those things. But I have a strong feeling from a business stand point and somewhat as a personal fan stand point rebooting it sounds like what they would aim to do.

Eh, given the time travel and Schwarzenegger, I simply don't see them doing that. But I'm not going to brush your thoughts off just because I don't agree with them.

 

[Solidus]

I'm very much open that I'm making assumptions. There's nothing that we know for a fact that could point us either way.

If we can get cheapo Jason Statham movies set in the 70's/80's, then I doubt a big budget sci-fi blockbuster will have that problem.

Eh, given the time travel and Schwarzenegger, I simply don't see them doing that. But I'm not going to brush your thoughts off just because I don't agree with them.

I'm not brushing off anyone's thoughts. But I heavily disagree and am betting against them. Yes you can do "retro" films but very few do them well, dramas do them better. But I'm still betting against the fact they will go back to the 80's for the sake of it.

But I'm open as well to a point, in the end we want a good film. Arnold is not a box office draw anymore. I know lots on here still love his glory days but those are behind him, and T3 did not really give him any new life either. Especially as a Terminator I don't think he would refill that roll. The CGI would cost way too much for that film, and probably not look the best, while an old Arnold T-800 would just be...probably not scary and more unintentionally funny. He was pushing it with T3 even in his looks. The problem with the time travel stuff is T3 and T4 messed them up so bad it would be even harder to try to "fix" them.

But we shall see. I admit we are all throwing a lot of things in the dark. But looking from my personal opinion, and a business stand point I think they are going to go in a new way. But we shall see eh?

I mean if this film is coming out in July 2015....shooting would have to start probably by April or so. So we probably will hear more very shortly.

 

[Solidus]

Well, I just don't see much of a point. Again, Terminator 2 didn't leave much room for a sequel. Certainly not what Terminator 3 had in mind (which outright ignored most of Terminator 2). And Salvation inherited that convoluted mess (and added to it).

So at this point, really the only (sensible) option left is to start over.

That's my view as well.

 

[dude stannis]

Aside from Robert Downey Jr and maybe Dwayne Johnson, there's not really one actor who can be considered a huge draw any more. From what I hear, Arnold's supporting performance in Escape Plan pretty much raised the film and got lots of praise. So I really don't see any issue with him being in the film.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Dwayne Johnson would make a great infiltrator.

There is one issue with Arnold being in the film, he's sixty-eight. Seventy by the time this gets to theaters.

Maybe he could have a cameo as a human character, but a Terminator? Come on.

 

[Solidus]

Dwayne Johnson would make a great infiltrator.

There is one issue with Arnold being in the film, he's sixty-eight. Seventy by the time this gets to theaters.

Maybe he could have a cameo as a human character, but a Terminator? Come on.

Again I agree, maybe some small cameo as a person but to me personally anymore (and some of my all time favorite films are Arnold films) Arnold just does not have it anymore. Especially for a Terminator. Seeing a 70 year old Terminator is not going to be very scary, and to me it is parody like to do something like that.

And like some have said the Termiantor's don't need to be "body builder" buff, I'd say go back to the original idea of Cameron with Lance. Especially in today's world the T-800 could be more normal size. To fit in better. But, I'm open to certain things but again it all comes down to execution without coming off as cheesy.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Not only that, it just keeps adding plot holes / continuity problems. And for what really? It's not like Arnold is even integral for a good Terminator movie, Terminator 3 proved that.

 

[StarLord]

Javier Bardem's character in NCFOM, Anton Chigurh, would have made an awesome Terminator... minus the bad hairstyle.

 

[Thundarr]

I totally agree that Arnold is far too old to effectively play a terminator again. And that T2's ending didn't really leave any room for a sequel, and all sequels that followed really messed up the entire story. But with the "big news" about the latest Terminator movie being that "Arnold is returning for a 5th Terminator film", I'm just wondering how the Hell he's gonna be included. Especially if the movie is gonna be a hard reboot.

I have nothing against the movie being a hard reboot, mind you. I just don't get how Arnold will be involved. An important human character? A minor human character? A T-800 in one of Reese's flashbacks of the future? (Only in a time travel movie can you have a flashback of the future). That's my only real concern.

 

[TheFuture]

Maybe it's just me but I've no interest in seeing Dwayne Johnson in this. Don't get me wrong, he's good at what he does, but it'd be a cliche to see him as a Terminator at this stage.

I'd have a fair idea of how the film would go as well if he was in this so yeah, no interest at all in seeing him in this.

 

[Schlosser85]

I'm not interested in essentially remaking The Terminator.

 

[Daywalker89]

Some great debates going on in here. Especially Solidus and Thundercrack's views but what caught my eye was the comment about the T-800 being obsolute. Especially how Technology and even Mechanical limbs are viewed in our day and age. Would they even go down the T-800 route or am i being to finicky. Regarding the views about Arnold, i too can't see him appearing in this franchise. It would just complicate things even further plus an old guy as a terminator it would not make any sense what soever for Skynet to send and old skin terminator back through time to kill someone.

As we know alots up in the air right now. I guess with the continuity errors of past films and time travel in movies overall im just abit skeptical of the direction there taking with this film and to be honest with you guys im just sick of reboots at the moment lol I know they want to put the Terminator name back out into the younger generation but there a lost cause anyway they cant even appreciate T1 or 2 ffs