Arrow Arrow season 4 episode 15 "Taken"

[Primal Slayer]

I hope that they at least have Olicity broken up until 5x10.

 

[Adanu]

So me and Primal are the only ones ok with Felicity this episode?

I was never ok with Felicity, *especially* during season 3... so probably.

 

[SpideyVille]

A decision she had no right to be a part of, unless Ollie wanted to keep William close. If he had, I'd get her being pissed off because he didn't consult with her, after all, they are planning (or were) to spend their lives together. But as it is? Just shut the f**k up, Felicity. Instead of being a self-centered crybaby, try supporting the guy who just got his son kidnapped and forfeited a relationship with him to keep him safe, y'know?

Jeez.

Roy did the same thing a few weeks ago. He was essentially blackmailed, and he cooperated because he didn't want to ruin things either. Granted, he was working for a bad guy, but no one had a problem with him.

Diggle and Thea were completely understanding of it. Laurel was hurt, and she had every right to be consider she was the one who got cheated on, but she didn't exactly dwell on it too long, or treat Oliver as some criminal.

But what bothers me about the way they wrote Felicity is that they tried to make it seem like everyone knew, when in reality, Barry knew because of Time Travel, Thea knew because she did some digging, and Malcolm knew because he had the resources. Oliver never told any of them, but they try to make it seem like Felicity is the victim of a grand lie.

 

[Justin]

The problem with the romance isn't that it means less action. I assume that the show has more or less as much action as it can afford, but then chooses to fill most of the rest with romance rather than friendship or mysteries or some other sort of human interaction.

This is it exactly. It's not romance instead of action. It's romance instead of everything else.

Arrow shows whiny Felicity scenes in the places where other shows put easter eggs, look at what the villain is doing or have cool interactions between other team members.

Just watch the Flash this week. Caitlin pretends to be killer Frost to wind up Cisco. That slot in Arrow goes to Olicity. The man in the Iron Mask is shown. That spot in Arrow goes to Olicity. Zoom takes off his mask. That spot in Arrow goes to Olicity.

Hell last season, where the big bad is defeated and the day is saved, that spot went to Olicity too.

It's just stupid at this point.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"Animated encounter"?
Well, CW guys have fun with their 4th wall breaking every now and then.

How did Vixen know Barry is Flash? I did not watch her show.

 

[Kiera C]

A decision she had no right to be a part of, unless Ollie wanted to keep William close. If he had, I'd get her being pissed off because he didn't consult with her, after all, they are planning (or were) to spend their lives together. But as it is? Just shut the f**k up, Felicity. Instead of being a self-centered crybaby, try supporting the guy who just got his son kidnapped and forfeited a relationship with him to keep him safe, y'know?

Jeez.

She's been a self-centered crybaby for the last 2 seasons. I hope she picked up her mother on her way out of Star City, and then their car got hit by a meteor on the way to the airport.

I used to love Arrow so much that this is actually painful. There's no real heart left in the show, just pointless relationship drama. I'm still watching because I can't bring myself to abandon the hope that it might recover.

 

[Slade W]

There were plenty of characters that featured and played a bigger part in this episode than Felicity. I am not a fan of her myself, but it really does seem to me that there are people here that are very easily upset. Just give them a little bit of something that they do not like and it will ruin everything for them and set them off.

 

[Boy Scout]

That was a very good episode IMO. Also, Felicity's reaction was perfectly understandable. I am no fan of Felicity, but she was not used poorly in that episode. She did not interrupt it or get in the way. Anyone who allowed that brief moment at the end to ruin for them what was clearly a very good, action-packed episode is a bit of a sensitive baby IMO. If you didn't like what happened before that then fair enough, but allowing that one moment to ruin it all for you is very childish, to say the least.

The episode (which I thought was okay) wasn't ruined; just Felicity.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

It was a good episode overall. I loved Vixen and she was used pretty well- and was entertaining too. Dahrk losing his powers was a little bittersweet for me as I have been complaining about him being neutered in the past few episodes. But at the same time, TBF, he did look strong at the start when he went up against Team Arrow and he got some comeuppance for all the bad he has done.

Also, can't Oliver now point out he was strong armed into quitting the race by his political opponent? Given the abrupt nature most I think will believe his version without question.

I also liked the aspect of Laurel still caring a bit about Oliver but that walk-out by Felicity was a total over-reaction on her part and did not evoke the reaction from me the writers wanted as I was totally indifferent, almost relieved, for it.

 

[Slade W]

The episode (which I thought was okay) wasn't ruined; just Felicity.

That is fair, but going by posts in this thread, it is the impression that I am getting from posters.

 

[SpideyVille]

I'm just mad that everything Oliver's personal arc was building on all season was taken away one way or another. I'm most upset by his campaign withdrawal.

 

[Slade W]

I'm just mad that everything Oliver's personal arc was building on all season was taken away one way or another. I'm most upset by his campaign withdrawal.

We don't know if this was really the end though. It is hardly surprising that they are not allowing him to win it easily. The fact that they aren't perhaps shows that the writers consider it to be a big arc.

 

[coluanprime]

Felicity hate has gotten to be way worse than anything the writers have ever done. Its simply annoying that people can't accept things and move on.
Also, people seem to acting like Felicity was really entitled. In real life, any person should be able to leave a realtionship that they feel like trust is not part of. Regardless of reasons, Oliver has violated that trust multiple times. It would be one thing if this was the first time this had ever happened, but it isn't. Logically, people would see it as a return to a pattern not as an isolated incident.

 

[JC00]

Felicity *****ing at Quentin and saying "because you're a man" still takes the cake for ultimate Felicity *****iness this season. But her whining about Oliver not consulting with her about Samantha and William moving away gives it a run for its money..

Also it's been pointed out but the way they framed how the other people knew about William to make Felicity look like the victim is another example of the bad parts of this show.. They all knew because they found out themselves...But ya let's frame it like everyone had specific instructions not to let Felicity know.


It really baffles me that the writers have other characters say how great and strong and level headed Felicity is but the way she has been written the last 2 seasons is the polar opposite of that. Like is the motto in the writers room "No matter what, Felicity is always right" or something?

 

[Boy Scout]

I think it's ridiculous that people are defending Felicity. She is acting entitled. She has no claim to Oliver's son, or any decision surrounding him. She also doesn't seem to understand that Samantha forced him to keep William a secret from her. Being angry at him for not telling her, when he was explicitly asked not to, is saying that she expects to be given priority over both his flesh and blood and the woman who raised him. She's not being reasonable or logical. Just selfish and petty.

 

[Slade W]

I think it's ridiculous that people are defending Felicity. She is acting entitled. She has no claim to Oliver's son, or any decision surrounding him. She also doesn't seem to understand that Samantha forced him to keep William a secret from her. Being angry at him for not telling her, when he was explicitly asked not to, is saying that she expects to be given priority over both his flesh and blood and the woman who raised him. She's not being reasonable or logical. Just selfish and petty.

Did she actually want a say in regard to what happened with William? I cant remember every detail from the episode, but from what I remember, she was disappointed that Oliver did not tell her about him having a son and the difficulties he was facing. Most women in real life would go crazy and leave if they found out that their partner was keeping a child from them, whether the mother told the father to keep it a secret or not, and they would be right to. But from what I remember, it was not that which upset Felicity, but rather that he kept it from her. Most people in real life would get angry about such a big thing being kept from them by their long-term partner, and rightly so IMO.

I am no fan of Felicity and I want her role and screen time to be reduced because I do not think she is very interesting or has much depth, but she is a trust worthy and good person. She would have tried her best to have helped Oliver and she even put her feelings aside to help William. She would have kept it a secret too. It is my impression that her thinking is, if Oliver keeps something this big from me now, who knows what he will keep from me in the future. Sure, he has what is in his mind a justifiable reason for not telling her, but I am sure he will find other reasons that are justifiable to him in the future to keep other big things from her.

He should have told her IMO. She has no say in what happens to William (and from what I remember, she didn't want one), but she has a right to know about something big happening like that in Oliver's life if they are going to be together forever (and he has a right to know about big things happening in regards to her too).

 

[Omegabat]

Please just get rid of Guggenheim,I was baffled that the episode ended with the Felicity cliffhanger. Why? WHY? does she HAVE to be EVERYWHERE? I dont care about her attitude,entitlement,selfishness etc. I'm just sick and tired of everything that happens on Arrow circling back to Felicity.
Oliver's message to his son could have ended the episode on a powerful note in itself but NO they HAD to bring up pointless Felicity drama(Guggenheims photo already spoiled the wedding,so everything is going to be fine).
We got nothing on H.I.V.E and Darhk either,Felicity and her sob story took importance.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I'm just mad that everything Oliver's personal arc was building on all season was taken away one way or another. I'm most upset by his campaign withdrawal.

I think they giving oliver road blocks so the path to mayor is challenging. I suspect ep 17 involve mayor seat

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I think it's ridiculous that people are defending Felicity. She is acting entitled. She has no claim to Oliver's son, or any decision surrounding him. She also doesn't seem to understand that Samantha forced him to keep William a secret from her. Being angry at him for not telling her, when he was explicitly asked not to, is saying that she expects to be given priority over both his flesh and blood and the woman who raised him. She's not being reasonable or logical. Just selfish and petty.

I agree. She doesn't give a single **** about the fact that Oliver telling her could very well result in him losing his son forever. That part is irrelevant. What's relevant is that she know every minute detail of Oliver's life.

It's so mind blowing, you'd think this was a teenage girl we're talking about and not the CEO of one of the richest companies in the world. And the hypocrisy is strong in this one, because if I'm not mistaken she was playing Overwatch on the low while they were in suburbia. In his shoes I'd have washed my hands a long time ago.

The guy is the Green ****ing Arrow, "need-to-know" comes with the territory. The real life wife or girlfriend of just about every government agent with a security clearance will corroborate this. You'd think the same thing would apply to a vigilante superhero.

 

[JC00]

Felicity hate has gotten to be way worse than anything the writers have ever done.

Nope. The writers have turned her into a whiny person who throws a tantrum every time she feels wronged, even if she wasn't actually wronged.

Its simply annoying that people can't accept things and move on.

It's more annoying when people like you can't accept the fact that people don't like Felicity anymore because the way she has been written for the last 2 season and come to Arrow forums to discuss it.

Also, people seem to acting like Felicity was really entitled. In real life, any person should be able to leave a realtionship that they feel like trust is not part of. Regardless of reasons, Oliver has violated that trust multiple times. It would be one thing if this was the first time this had ever happened, but it isn't. Logically, people would see it as a return to a pattern not as an isolated incident.

What happened in the episode was basically the definition of entitled. Oliver was asked not to tell anyone. He never did. Other people knew because they found out themselves. Felicity then acted like there was some agreement from everyone to keep it from her, there wasn't...

Then she came at Oliver at the end whining about him not consulting her about what he and Samantha decided to do with their child which was to move and not let him know until he was older. She has absolutely no say in that discussion..

As for the trust thing give me a break..So it's alright if Oliver breaks the trust he built with Samantha that let him into William's life as long he tells Felicity... But damn him for violating Felicity's trust by not telling her.

Writers have characters say how strong and level headed Felicity is but that wasn't strong or level headed. Level headed is what Diggle said about the the whole thing on the roof.

 

[JC00]

Please just get rid of Guggenheim,I was baffled that the episode ended with the Felicity cliffhanger. Why? WHY? does she HAVE to be EVERYWHERE? I dont care about her attitude,entitlement,selfishness etc. I'm just sick and tired of everything that happens on Arrow circling back to Felicity.
Oliver's message to his son could have ended the episode on a powerful note in itself but NO they HAD to bring up pointless Felicity drama(Guggenheims photo already spoiled the wedding,so everything is going to be fine).
We got nothing on H.I.V.E and Darhk either,Felicity and her sob story took importance.

Nah couldn't have done that or had a HIVE cliffhanger, they had to show that Felicity was so hurt by Oliver having a kid and not telling her or consulting with her about him being moved away, that it pushed her to walk because she is so damn strong (see: Diggle's convo with Barry)

 

[SpideyVille]

I think they giving oliver road blocks so the path to mayor is challenging. I suspect ep 17 involve mayor seat

I really hope so because the alternative would be Ruve wins, or we get a Dusty Finish and nobody wins.

 

[javonstokess]

Most everyone has voiced some variation of my feelings on Felicity, but my biggest issue is that, since the beginning of season 3, the show's motivating factor went from being about "Oliver Queen, Vigilante saving his city" to "Oliver Queen and Felicity's relationship".

The should change the show's name from "Arrow" to "Felicity and Oliver: The New Adventures of Green Arrow".

 

[Slade W]

What happened in the episode was basically the definition of entitled. Oliver was asked not to tell anyone. He never did. Other people knew because they found out themselves.

Felicity is absolutely entitled to know if Oliver has a son or not, she is his partner. People are entitled to know about big, important things like that in their partners life. I doubt you will meet many women in real life that would not go crazy if their partner kept a child with another woman from them, and rightly so. That is not even what annoyed her. She was able to accept that which was extremely good on her part. What annoyed her is that she feels that Oliver did not trust her with something big like that. Oliver has what is in his mind a justifiable reason for not telling her, but if that is enough to stop him trusting her with something big this time, what is going to stop him from finding a justifiable reason to not trust her with something big in the future? Their relationship is supposed to be built on trust, Oliver even said this to her.

Felicity then acted like there was some agreement from everyone to keep it from her, there wasn't....

No she didn't. She was not happy that other people knew, and she didn't. She was not told how these people found out, so her reaction was understandable.

Then she came at Oliver at the end whining about him not consulting her about what he and Samantha decided to do with their child which was to move and not let him know until he was older. She has absolutely no say in that discussion.. ....

She was mostly upset that he did not tell her and trust her about the matter.

"You should have told me. Marriage is supposed to be about inclusion. It's about leaning on your partner, when things get complicated. I don't think that you know how to do that."

She is right. If he does not trust her in regards to this big matter, what means that he will in the future? She wants to be there for him and to help her partner. What is wrong with that? People have the right to know about big things like that in their partners life.

"And now you are sending William away, and I understand why, and you know that I do, but once again you have left me out of the decision"

That is the closest that she came to saying what you are trying to claim about her wanting control in regards to William, but it seems to me like she wanted to be involved in the decision making process and to offer some helpful solutions, not to force Oliver to do what she wants. She wants to be included, not to be in control.

As for the trust thing give me a break..So it's alright if Oliver breaks the trust he built with Samantha that let him into William's life as long he tells Felicity... But damn him for violating Felicity's trust by not telling her.

Oliver should consider Felicity's trust to be more important than Samantha's. What harm would come from telling Felicity? None, is the answer. She would have kept it a secret, and perhaps have even been able to offer helpful solutions. If Oliver does not trust her with this big matter, why would he in the future. He can just keep coming up with justifiable reasons for not telling her or trusting her with big, important matters. If you want you relationship to be built on trust, you have to tell your partner about big things like this.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

The should change the show's name from "Arrow" to "Felicity and Oliver: The New Adventures of Green Arrow".

You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what the show has become.