Arrow Arrow Season 5 Episode 9: "What We Leave Behind"

[Slade W]

I am sure we will find out more eventually. His husband has a point and I find his concerns to be completely understandable.

 

[Syncos]

Of clear deaths that we see a body on screen? If I'm being generous, I'll count Merlyn (although I thought at the time that it seemed like he could be faking it because Ollie immediately left the scene). Otherwise, it's just Sara and they went out of their way to say why that wouldn't happen again. Who am I missing?

You're counting Laurel as one of those?

She was all but recovered, when all of a sudden she had a shifty conversation and then died off screen, with no explanation.

Slade was "killed" on the island, then came back, Sara was killed, and came back. They did death psyche outs for Roy (stabbed in prison), Ray (exploded), Oliver (stabbed and then kicked off a mountain), and Thea (stabbed through the chest), all of whom were either healed back from the brink of dead, etc.

 

[Mike Murdock]

She died with a bunch of people around her and then buried in a professionally done funeral. Slade was left for dead rather than actually seen dying, Roy and Ray were in the same scenario as Slade. Thea was emphatically at the brink of death (Ollie was too, although they cheaped out by making his recovery a bit easier). Laurel doesn't leave anywhere near the same wiggle room.

 

[Paradox1]

Seriously what the **** were they thinking with Oliver getting stabbed then kicked off a mountain to survive by sheer will? At the time I was hoping there was something more to it but nope.

 

[Thome216]

He landed softly. There was a lot of snow...

 

[Primal Slayer]

They did everything possible to ensure that Laurel Lance - Black Canary is dunzo. Outing her superhero persona was a well played ploy to ensure that she doesnt come back.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Seriously what the **** were they thinking with Oliver getting stabbed then kicked off a mountain to survive by sheer will? At the time I was hoping there was something more to it but nope.

I blame the art department a bit for that. It didn't have to be a hundred foot drop like it ended up being. They also conspicuously moved his stabbing to a safer location between episodes because they probably realized the original entry point was a little high.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Seriously what the **** were they thinking with Oliver getting stabbed then kicked off a mountain to survive by sheer will? At the time I was hoping there was something more to it but nope.

I was hoping he would be the one to be given Lazarus water and have some mental issues allowing him to be easily controlled by Ra's, thus allowing him to truly be a villain to the rest of the team and not just be pretending, then when he finally kills Ra's after they break through to him his spell is broken but he is mentally not in the best of places so him and felicity ride off into the sunset as he needs to recuperate; then enter season 4 largely unaltered.

 

[metaphysician]

I tend to think, at some point in the writing process, he was supposed to be revived via Lazarus Pit. Why that got changed, I don't know- even my Suicide Squad conspiracy theory doesn't really explain it in any useful manner.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I tend to think, at some point in the writing process, he was supposed to be revived via Lazarus Pit. Why that got changed, I don't know- even my Suicide Squad conspiracy theory doesn't really explain it in any useful manner.

I think the same. It would explain him allying with Ra's, killing that innocent man, apparently being willing to kill Nyssa and kidnap Lyla...all things that make him look like a massive jerk when it's just "part of the plan."

 

[TheRedWraith]

It seems to be a similar situation where it would make way more sense for Darhk to have rezzed Sara to use her as his minion while simultaneously giving him a hold over Lance with it by promising to grant her memories back to her if he complied.

 

[Slade W]

Penicillin tea is a much more badass way to come back than the Lazarus pit.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think the Lazarus Pit adds distractions that would have complicated the story too much, so I'm glad they didn't do it for Oliver. When they did use the Pit in the show, they didn't shy away from those effects. But I do think, had they done it with Oliver, it would have been consequence free. Is that an option people would have preferred?

 

[metaphysician]

I think the Lazarus Pit adds distractions that would have complicated the story too much, so I'm glad they didn't do it for Oliver. When they did use the Pit in the show, they didn't shy away from those effects. But I do think, had they done it with Oliver, it would have been consequence free. Is that an option people would have preferred?

If the logical, sensical way to bring him back from the dead would have been "too distracting", then they shouldn't have killed him in the first place.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I think the Lazarus Pit adds distractions that would have complicated the story too much, so I'm glad they didn't do it for Oliver. When they did use the Pit in the show, they didn't shy away from those effects. But I do think, had they done it with Oliver, it would have been consequence free. Is that an option people would have preferred?

I don't see how it would have gotten in the way of anything as the consequences would have been dealt with by season end with any blood lust quenched by killing your killer, and the lust being sated by Ra's occasionally feeding someone to him from time to time.

 

[Dark Raven]

Finally got round to seeing this episode. It was one of the better ones this season. Seeing Felicity just behind a desk like in season 1 reminded me of how I preferred her back then. I don't think she should have such a big role but should be used more sparingly like she was initially instead of taking over the show.

I'm thinking Prometheus is Susan. She's probably using a voice modulator and strapping down her boobs to disguise herself as a man. She's the only other prominent regular character who plays in this season other than Felicity's boyfriend (who is dead now) and the other detective who would be too obvious and boring.

I think Susan is getting close to Oliver and making him drop his guard with her. There was that Russian vodka bottle too when she poured Oliver a drink. I don't think Prometheus is going to be someone entirely new, just like on the Flash, Zoom was actually someone introduced as a character earlier in the season (the fake Jay Garrick).

No idea what Laurel is supposed to be at the end, whether she's the real one or another one of Prometheus's manipulations. But there was a montage of everyone being affected by the consequences of Ollie's actions and as if a master plan were being executed ( with Diggle being captured) so maybe Laurel is part of that plan.

Also, Prometheus sounded like Michael Dorn's voice.

 

[Slade W]

Susan is too small to be Prometheus. Oliver is a lot taller than her. That is not the case with Prometheus.

 

[Mike Murdock]

If the logical, sensical way to bring him back from the dead would have been "too distracting", then they shouldn't have killed him in the first place.

I don't disagree with that (although technically they didn't kill him). I just think the Lazarus Pit wouldn't have worked.

I don't see how it would have gotten in the way of anything as the consequences would have been dealt with by season end with any blood lust quenched by killing your killer, and the lust being sated by Ra's occasionally feeding someone to him from time to time.

Ollie killing to quench a bloodlust just doesn't fit at all with the themes of the season. It would have made the ending of the season really, really weird. It would have made Ra's death exist solely for personal reasons and not the greater good.

 

[Dark Raven]

Susan is too small to be Prometheus. Oliver is a lot taller than her. That is not the case with Prometheus.

The stunt double guy is taller than her and a similar height to Oliver, and that is whom they've used so far in all the fights. But I don't think they've have a problem suddenly revealing "him" as Susan if that's whom they had chosen. In the Flash, the man in the iron mask looked to be of a different build or physical characteristics to John Wesley Shipp while he was still a mystery, before they made their final reveal.

I don't think that would be too much of a factor. They can easily explain it away that she's wearing lifts or that the height difference is part of the disguise.

 

[Syncos]

I'm thinking Prometheus is Susan. She's probably using a voice modulator and strapping down her boobs to disguise herself as a man. She's the only other prominent regular character who plays in this season other than Felicity's boyfriend (who is dead now) and the other detective who would be too obvious and boring.

I don't know. There's gotta be a level of believability. It would take more than strapping down her chest to turn Susan into a similar body type to Oliver.

Yes, she could possibly put on a suit hide her femininity and pass as a man, but not a wide, "buff" man, Unless it's an outrageously padded suit she's wearing, which would make ninja-esq moves pretty difficult.

I'm still banking on her working WITH prometheus, instead of being him.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I don't disagree with that (although technically they didn't kill him). I just think the Lazarus Pit wouldn't have worked.



Ollie killing to quench a bloodlust just doesn't fit at all with the themes of the season. It would have made the ending of the season really, really weird. It would have made Ra's death exist solely for personal reasons and not the greater good.

In my scenario he doesn't know that killing Ra's will cure him and he is only killing him because the team managed to break through Ra's's control of him and reawaken the real Ollie.

 

[Mike Murdock]

But the bloodlust still absolves him of his moral responsibilities.

 

[alexthegreat555]

Shouldn't Oliver still be better since he has the five years on the island in addition to training with the league of shadows, fighting slade, fighting in the city, and all the other things he's done since the island? They said Prometheus had only 4 years to learn what oliver knows, but oliver has 9 years to date.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Arrow goes a few more seasons, we might eventually get flashbacks to Season 3 or 4 with full-on Olicity.

 

[Slade W]

Funnily enough, there has been nothing wrong with Felicity this season or how she has been used and there have been little, if any, complaints. That is nice to see and hopefully it will continue. ATM, it seems they are trying to tone her down in response to complaints from last season.