Arrow Arrow Season 5 Episode 20: "Underneath"

[Slade W]

Arrow Season 5 Episode 20-Underneath

"Underneath" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-14, V) (HDTV)

OLIVER AND FELICITY ARE TRAPPED - Things get intense when Oliver (Stephen Amell) and Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) are trapped in the bunker together. Meanwhile, Lyla (guest star Audrey Marie Andreson) and Diggle (David Ramsey) deal with their martial issues. Wendey Stanzler directed the episode written by Wendy Mericle & Beth Schwartz (#520). Original airdate 5/3/2017.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Watching for Diggle and Lyla. How much do I need to fast forward the Olicity drama?

 

[Pennywise]

Not as interesting as the other episodes this season.

 

[NotNickFury]

At the very least, we've got some closure on Felicity regarding how she felt about Oliver keeping William a secret from her. That was one of the weaker parts of the Legends set-up crossover.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

So...I'm curious. How was it? Was Olicity handled well?

 

[coluanprime]

Watching for Diggle and Lyla. How much do I need to fast forward the Olicity drama?

If you're saying you don't want to watch it, I'm guessing you'd actually benefit from watching it. It addresses nearly every single problematic element from season 4 by the end.

So...I'm curious. How was it? Was Olicity handled well?

Actually really well. They addressed a lot of fan complaints and handled it in a pretty mature way.

 

[ItsMeTony]

I for one do not care about the Oliver and Felicity relationship. This episode was extremely forgettable, and pointless being this late in the season... Also, how did William age 8 years since the last time we saw him?

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I for one do not care about the Oliver and Felicity relationship. This episode was extremely forgettable, and pointless being this late in the season... Also, how did William age 8 years since the last time we saw him?

...William was 16 years old in this episode?

 

[Paradox1]

Weak episode, Curtis playing Cupid was cringeworthy. The most important thing to happen in this episode happens in the last five minutes.

 

[Deltron3030]

Worst episode of the season. This should have come 10-12 episodes earlier.

 

[Daltonio]

In total disclosure, I haven't watched this episode yet.

I'm not sure I will though. I know people are saying the Oliver/Felicity scenes aren't bad and are handled in a different way but honestly I just don't care how they're handled. I've been over this relationship for seasons now and I just wish it would go away permanently.

We only have a few episodes left, nearing the end of the five-year long story arc of flashbacks of Oliver's time away from home. But now, this close to the end, they throw in random flashbacks of Olicity sex instead. Are you kidding?

 

[Lencho01]

Wasn't feeling this episode at all until the final scene... The music still makes me laugh.

 

[shabadoo25]

Great episode.

And Emily Bett looked hot AF in "that" bunker scene.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Great episode.

And Emily Bett looked hot AF in "that" bunker scene.

Agreed. As long as they have scenes like that, I'm all for keeping Felicity.

 

[Dark Raven]

In total disclosure, I haven't watched this episode yet.

I'm not sure I will though. I know people are saying the Oliver/Felicity scenes aren't bad and are handled in a different way but honestly I just don't care how they're handled. I've been over this relationship for seasons now and I just wish it would go away permanently.

We only have a few episodes left, nearing the end of the five-year long story arc of flashbacks of Oliver's time away from home. But now, this close to the end, they throw in random flashbacks of Olicity sex instead. Are you kidding?

It's all a matter of opinion. I found the Olicity scenes bad, which made up the bulk of the episode. Worst though was the sex. I thought we'd never have to endure that again but we did. We also had to endure her voice quiver again. I can just see they'll bring back Olicity for season 6.

 

[Syncos]

If you're saying you don't want to watch it, I'm guessing you'd actually benefit from watching it. It addresses nearly every single problematic element from season 4 by the end.



Actually really well. They addressed a lot of fan complaints and handled it in a pretty mature way.

Disagree. I found the Oliver/Felicity scenes to still be super cringe inducing. Except for the end, where Felicity finally started to see how she was being a hypocrite.

I really hate this whole "I always back your play. but you couldn't have my back this time" BS. How often does Felicity call Oliver out for his plan. Basically every second week.

If they had phrased it like "I don't always believe in your methods, but I'm always there to make sure you come out of it alive" or something, it would have made sense. But to frame it like Oliver should just blindly agree with whatever she's plotting is absurd.

The whole "You never trusted me" story is a ridiculous ret-con attempt to justify Felicity's crazy out of character actions from not only this season but season 4.

The worst part is if they'd just left the justification as "Felicity is going dark looking for vengeance over losing Billy" I would have been ok with that. It would seem plausible. But Felicity using Oliver's "lack of trust" to justify her being a jerk is laughable.

 

[shabadoo25]

I'm still betting on a love triangle next year with E2 Laurel trying to get with Oliver.

 

[Hotwire]

My biggest gripe with this episode is that, again, they use the, "Oh no! Oliver might die!" We all know that Oliver is the only character on that show that can never be killed off! Well, maybe in the series finale but, that's it. Now, put a different character in a live or die scenario, and it's a different story. But, with Oliver, it doesn't add any drama because you know he's going to be okay.

 

[shabadoo25]

My biggest gripe with this episode is that, again, they use the, "Oh no! Oliver might die!" We all know that Oliver is the only character on that show that can never be killed off! Well, maybe in the series finale but, that's it. Now, put a different character in a live or die scenario, and it's a different story. But, with Oliver, it doesn't add any drama because you know he's going to be okay.

If you can't suspend disbelief for that, you might as well give up on all these types of shows.

 

[SV Fan]

I refer to episodes like this as shipper porn. There is reasons I regularly PVR Arrow now and sometimes don't bother watching it till the weekend and it's episodes like this that make me think about giving up on the series all together. Arrow used to be my #1 show to watch on Wednesday, now it fills the slot on my PVR of once I watch everything else I will get to it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I refer to episodes like this as shipper porn. There is reasons I regularly PVR Arrow now and sometimes don't bother watching it till the weekend and it's episodes like this that make me think about giving up on the series all together. Arrow used to be my #1 show to watch on Wednesday, now it fills the slot on my PVR of once I watch everything else I will get to it.

The episodes with heavy Olicity focus feel just like some kind of fan fiction rather than seeming like a proper episode.

I'm surprised they haven't written a Fifty Shades of Green episode yet.

 

[SV Fan]

The episodes with heavy Olicity focus feel just like some kind of fan fiction rather than seeming like a proper episode.

I'm surprised they haven't written a Fifty Shades of Green episode yet.

I guess one good thing about an episode like this is the really cut down on the budget since they really didn't have the normal amount of stunts or special effects. Having 2 people talk on one set for 20+ minutes is really cheap to produce. I think many times shows will do a few episodes like this(ie cheap to produce) so it saves money for another episode that they have a bigger production budget

 

[metaphysician]

Eh, I don't think the episode really played up the "oh no, possible death!" angle. It practically lampshaded, in the beginning, that the real problem was that they are trapped down there while Chase is up top doing stuff.

 

[legendkillin]

Should have been an episode early in the season. Wishing I skipped it because I don't watch for the Olicity stuff.