Arrow Arrow vs Batman

[DrRocket]

Ever since the name drop in episode 3, people on numerous websites have been speculating has to whether Batman will make an appearance, and since then I've wondered who would win in a fight. In comics, it's gone either way (I think?) but mostly in favour of Batman.

Personally, I don't like batman, and I love green arrow, so my point of view is slightly biased, but I feel like Ollie should in the least be able to fight him to a stand still. Batman is trained by the league of shadows and Arrow by death stroke. Remember this isn't the comics, it's the cimematic universe.

That's one of the reasons I'm not really fond of batman making a appearance because, I feel like the writers would write batman vastly superior, even if its a show about Green arrow. Now I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Oh! And please don't include prep time, lets just say they bump into each other and a fight breaks out.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'd be fine with Batman being on Arrow. Stephen Amell recommended his brother for the role. I don't think he'd do that if he didn't have faith in the writers.

 

[Coconut1214]

His brother? You mean his cousin, Robbie Amell?

The show is called Arrow, so I would hope they'd keep their hero in the forefront. However if Batman like the Canary is league trained then they would be better at hand to hand combat than Oliver.

 

[DrRocket]

His brother? You mean his cousin, Robbie Amell?

The show is called Arrow, so I would hope they'd keep their hero in the forefront. However if Batman like the Canary is league trained then they would be better at hand to hand combat than Oliver.

Lets not forget that Ollie is trained by Deathstroke, a guy that could wipe the floor with batman.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I thought no one could wipe flooring Batman if he is prepared ?

PS : this is a joke.

 

[Shikamaru]

Batman was only trained by the League of Shadows in the Nolan films, which aren't canon to Arrow.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Lets not forget that Ollie is trained by Deathstroke, a guy that could wipe the floor with batman.

Not this version of Deathstroke. The comics had him genetically altered, he's a metahuman. The Deathstroke on Arrow hasn't showed too many extraordinary skills

 

[The Batman]

If Bruce were to appear on the show, The writers would/should write Batman vastly superior because historically, he is vastly superior to Oliver as a crimefighter.

Only people like Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, and Deathstroke could/have taken Bruce in a fight.

 

[ArcherFan]

If Bruce were to appear on the show, The writers would/should write Batman vastly superior because historically, he is vastly superior to Oliver as a crimefighter.

Only people like Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, and Deathstroke could/have taken Bruce in a fight.

And those people generally have a 50/50 shot against him. The first three count as mentors and trainers at various points in his life. You could also add Connor [pre new 52]...they established him coming close to Shiva when they fought. The advantage most writers give Bruce is his vast knowledge of...everything. That's where the whole 'could best everyone with preperation'. Plus, he cheats. A lot. Think about it - anything short of murder and torture (physical at least) is open season for this cat.

Most people I've talked to in those age old 'who beats who' questions, put Slade on par of being as dangerous a man as Bruce, and that's even without his augmentation. That's in the comics, of course.

In the show? Well, they've already made Oliver a hell of a lot better a fighter than he was in most of his comic life. To allow for the frontrunner to shune, and without slamming a bigger brand name, would be to have them matched in fighting, Ollie in archery, and Bruce in raw problem solving and strategy.

 

[DrRocket]

If Bruce were to appear on the show, The writers would/should write Batman vastly superior because historically, he is vastly superior to Oliver as a crimefighter.

Only people like Shiva, Richard Dragon, Bronze Tiger, Cassandra Cain, and Deathstroke could/have taken Bruce in a fight.

Lets not forget that this isn't the comics, it's a show that is loosely based on the comics. Yes, I know in the comics that batman is better than ollie but in this show everything is toned down quite a bit.

If like I suspect that death stroke will be the seasons final villain, it's kinda obvious that Arrow will eventually take him down. And if he can take Deathsroke down, I'm pretty sure that he can take batman on. Arrow was evenly matched with bronze tiger in episode two, and this is Arrows show, if you have batman come in and whoop his ass, that's outshining the lead character.

Anyway if we went by the comics, batman would be kinda boring wouldn't he? In the comics he has even dodged bullets, taken down superman and defeated the entire JLA.

 

[bes628]

C'mon son.. The answer is Batman, and will always be Batman. Hell I'm not even sure Green Arrow could take down Nightwing.

 

[Shikamaru]

Anyway if we went by the comics, batman would be kinda boring wouldn't he? In the comics he has even dodged bullets, taken down superman and defeated the entire JLA.

That's what makes him awesome, not boring.

 

[DrRocket]

That's what makes him awesome, not boring.

Really? He even dodged a bullet! No human no matter how much they train can dodge a bullet!

 

[DrRocket]

C'mon son.. The answer is Batman, and will always be Batman. Hell I'm not even sure Green Arrow could take down Nightwing.

Listen bro, I can accept that batman can beat Arrow, but night wing? No way.

 

[Shikamaru]

Really? He even dodged a bullet! No human no matter how much they train can dodge a bullet!

Batman very rarely dodges bullets after they've been already fired. Most of the time he dodges them, it is because he can predict when the shooter will pull the trigger. Thus he reacts in time.

Plus, no human in real life can become Batman.

 

[jonathancrane]

I really do not want Batman or members of the Bat-family appearing in Arrow. The Bat-family has a long line of live action and animated adaptations; they are not starved for screentime the way Green Arrow is...and by installing him/them on the show would cause the focus to go from Ollie to the Bat family. Besides, they have already have a Gotham based show on the works; keep 'em there. Yes, I realize it is a procedural before Bruce returns, but, they would fit better there than in Arrow.

In terms of the aforementioned fight, I think it would be a draw. But, I would it would not progress to a fight, as the whole superhero against superhero notion has worn out its welcome (and is about to become much worse with Batman v. Superman, which I only seeing out of morbid curiosity. I am not thrilled about the premises.)

 

[Coconut1214]

Batman has always been the cooler more well known one over Green Arrow. So most will pick him to win.

Which is why I hope they don't have him show up. They can maybe mention him like they did with Ra's Al Ghul so they can connect the other cities with vigilantes. But there is no need for him to show up. Barbara Gordon can maybe show up for a Bird of Prey connection.

 

[LongbowHunter]

come at me bro!

 

[DrRocket]

Batman very rarely dodges bullets after they've been already fired. Most of the time he dodges them, it is because he can predict when the shooter will pull the trigger. Thus he reacts in time.

Plus, no human in real life can become Batman.

Nah, in this case Jason Todd had already fired and batman dodged it like it was a walk in the park. Maybe if he was a metahuman, he could do that but no way can a human.

 

[Shikamaru]

Nah, in this case Jason Todd had already fired and batman dodged it like it was a walk in the park. Maybe if he was a metahuman, he could do that but no way can a human.

What "case"? You never specified a specific example from any actual story. All you said is that Batman can dodge bullets.

If you're referring to Jason Todd in Under the Red Hood, in that case Batman predicted in advance that Jason would fire at him, hence why he prepared that batarang before Jason even fired.

 

[super85]

The human heroes from superhero comics are generally always very good at dodging bullets. Its a part of the genre, and in some ways the "realistic heroes" come across just as unrealistic as the ones who have superpowers.

I don't see a big deal with it. Ollie has taken down guys with his ridiculous boxing-glove Arrow in the comics. Just corny fun.

 

[SpideyFan866]

While I wouldn't mind Batman showing up in this show, I don't think it'll happen.

If only because I believe, more and more each day, that he Arrow universe might be tied into the new movieverse.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Listen bro, I can accept that batman can beat Arrow, but night wing? No way.

Nightwing is one of the best hand to hand fighters in all of the DCU. I'd bet on Nightwing over Ollie.

 

[Boy Scout]

Plus, Nightwing was trained by Batman, so...

 

[Justin]

I laugh everytime I read "better in hand to hand combat" "league trained" etc.

Malcolm Merlyn was better than Oli in hand to hand and he was league trained. He was also at least his equal with a bow. He whooped Oli every time they met including their final showdown.

He still got owned.

All of these x vs y threads depend on the variables. We know Oli picks up 110% when he's close to dying and he hears his dad tell him to survive. We know he will stab himself with an arrow so as to kill the other guy etc etc..

Merlyn and the whole island so far basically showed us that Oli will find a way regardless of whether you are superior or not.