Arrow Arrow is basically Batman

[Lord]

What i sometimes don't enjoy in it is that it seems like there are more nods to Nolan's Batman than Green Arrow's oun mythos.

 

[Crossvale]

That isn't GA as far as i'm concerned.
Green Arrow is the Neal Adams and Dennis O'Neil run, that was when he was really interesting and original, when he was an outspoken advocate of the underprivileged in society and the political left wing.
He was never a "Batman wannabe", he was his own man, his own character.

The Mike Grell run was also very good, much more gritty and violent, they could very well kept that......but not make almost a copy/paste of Batman like they did in the show.

Yes Green Arrow has a lot of rich material to work with they dont need to be borrowin so heavily from Batman movies and mythology.

GA hasnt been a "Batman clone" in decades.

 

[NosfeRomas]

Green Arrow stopped being a second rate Batman since the 70s. He is his own character and thanks to Denny O'Neal he got a political agenda that accompanied him in most of his best stories. The show needs to change a colour pallete if not at the end of this season definitely sometime during the next one. Bright things up and get away from Batman.

 

[Lord]

I think the worst ofender has been Vertigo, as one of GA's main villains, he had the potencial to be a season main villain, what they did was make him a second rate Joker wannabe

 

[Boy Scout]

I think the similarities to Batman exist, but I feel like they're sometimes overstated by viewers.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

...green arrow has ALWAYS been a rip off of batman. You know know who is original nemesis was? A clown...named bullseye.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I'm still watching the first season, and Roy Harper just appeared; but is it only me or Arrow is basically Batman with a bow and arrow?

Even Green Arrow has that Batman's graveling voice and a "batcave"

It's a god damn mess....

Yes, and that's a good thing. In the comics, Oliver is a whiny killjoy who looks like something from a Lord of the Rings parody. By giving him a Bruce Wayne-like personality and voice, the series actually works.

 

[Crossvale]

By giving him a Bruce Wayne-like personality and voice, the series actually works.

Not much of a fan of Batman/Bruce personality. It works for the character Batman not Green Arrow.

I take Oliver's brooding be due to PTSD from the island, thats not his real personality.

With time, he will be back to his old self. Since the pilot he was joking around with Tommy and Thea, so he has always got a sense of humor and a lighter personality than Batman.

 

[DrRocket]

^ yep, think he'll lighten up as the show goes on

 

[greenlantern248]

OP you do know that Green Arrow was created as a lighter more colorful Batman right?

DC ripped off their own character Batman to create Green Arrow.

Orphaned billionaire, multiple kid sidekicks, home base called a cave, the Arrow mobile, the Arrow plane, no super powers, didn't believe in killing, dies and one of his former partners picks up the mantle, one former partner picks up using guns. All that sound familiar. That describes both Ollie and Bruce.

Yes in the 70's to me the greatest pair to work on comics changed that and made Ollie step out of Bruce's shadow.

As far as the show being like Nolan's trilogy isn't that what the producers said, they took a lot from those movies and brought it in to the show? To be honest I have no problem with that, those were very good movies, and if I was making a show about a masked hero and I had to model it after comic book movies that have already been made, I would pick those movies too.

 

[The Batman]

Green Arrow stopped being a second rate Batman since the 70s. He is his own character and thanks to Denny O'Neal he got a political agenda that accompanied him in most of his best stories. The show needs to change a colour pallete if not at the end of this season definitely sometime during the next one. Bright things up and get away from Batman.

This. They didn't have to make this show crib The Nolanverse so much. While Oliver was a second rate Batman for the first 20+ years of his existence, he eventually developed his own persona and mythology. This show pretty much took it back to square one, sadly.

I enjoy Arrow a lot, but the blatant Batman similarities are a glaring problem.

Also....Laurel = Rachel Dawes

 

[The Guard]

There are always going to be similarities and common themes, ideas, etc, if you adapt the mythology with any level of faithfulness.

Overall though, while there are definitely some similarities in places, I think this show has distanced itself from Nolan's approach in some key ways.

 

[DrRocket]

Well there are some similarities, but GA in the comics these days are a lot different from batman

 

[SuperFerret]

I feel like the social crusader Ollie was definitely there, given his Robin Hood style focus on taking out the corruption at the top of the food chain. Batman's never really been as all about that as Ollie has been.

 

[super85]

Arrow, in its second season is a highly entertaining and enjoyable, the first season was a Nolan Batman ripoff mixed with fairly horrible CW teen romance stuff.

Again, I am a fan of the second season. A huge improvement over the first.

Like most people know, GA started of pretty much as a Batman/Robin Hood knockoff.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Sometimes the Nolan trilogy similarities are waaaaay too over the top and obvious. But they've started to do their own thing. They've got their own feel on the show now, but even in season 2 there have been a few Nolan trilogy similarities that have been way too over the top. I guess they can get away with it since both characters are DC.

 

[Kar]

Yeah I think the maker of this thread didn't know about Green Arrow's existence prior to the show. Otherwise they wouldn't have stated the obvious things.

I agree about Vertigo. He's probably my least favorite villain. And I wish they coulda made Blood's mask less Scarecrowy but whatever. Still a kickass show.

 

[chamber-music]

Most comic readers know that Green Arrow was made to be a Robin Hood style take on Batman since the beginning but became his own unique character in the 70's and 80's.

Comic Count Vertigo is a pretty cool but the version on Arrow was lame.

I don't mind the nods to Nolan's Batman films personally. The Flash show from the early 90's was borrowed from Burton's Batman films.

 

[greenlantern248]

I wonder (not talking anyone in particular just in general) how many people are going to compare the Flash tv show to either the original or to MOS?

In my opinion I don't see the big deal that this show took inspiration from Nolan's Bat films. Like I said earlier the producers said they liked what he did on film and wanted to take part of that and bring it to tv.

Like I mentioned the Flash show will be the "super powered realistic approach" so are people going to complain and say that show took to much from MOS?

Sorry had a pretty lousy day just a little rant.

 

[Naked Shia]

Green Arrow began as a Batman Clone before becoming its own thing thanks to Maggin, O'neil and Adams. And I have the feeling he's following this road in this show. He's slowly becoming his own man.

 

[DrCosmic]

I wonder (not talking anyone in particular just in general) how many people are going to compare the Flash tv show to either the original or to MOS?

In my opinion I don't see the big deal that this show took inspiration from Nolan's Bat films. Like I said earlier the producers said they liked what he did on film and wanted to take part of that and bring it to tv.

Like I mentioned the Flash show will be the "super powered realistic approach" so are people going to complain and say that show took to much from MOS?

Sorry had a pretty lousy day just a little rant.

I think they'll go with something more successful than MOS (no offense, MOS fans). We've already seen comparisons to the latest Spider-Man franchise, what with Barry's personality, dress and even facial structure, and his girl problems already seem much more in line with Spider-Man than Superman. Nerdy bestie 'will they won't they' and unattainable bombshell. Uncovering the mystery of his parent's death. Costume will likely be similar. Very ASM-like. One earth-born source of powers for everyone.

The differences are that Flash was not originally created as a knock off of Spider-Man and also is not in the same universe, so we won't see Flash dealing with Oscorp, or clinging to walls, lol. Do not be surprised if Flash starts doing excessive quipping once he gets in the costume though.

 

[Destructus86]

GA in this show makes a better Batman than any Batman we've seen on screen. :P

 

[BatmanBeyond]

GA in this show makes a better Batman than any Batman we've seen on screen. :P

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq8smKtru6w

 

[Rocketman]

I sort of have to disagree with the main topic here, as well as the notion that they're using ''too many" Batman characters.

While it's true that a LOT of Batman characters are showing up in this series, most of them are established Green Arrow characters anyway. If anything, they're more DC characters than exclusive characters to Batman.

- Deathstroke is a legitimate villain of Green Arrow in the comics.

- Black Canary is Green Arrow's love interest in most interpretations.

- If I'm not mistaken, The Clock King was Green Arrow's villain before he was Batman's.

- Count Vertigo was a villain of Black Canary first, and then Green Arrow.

- Merlyn is Green Arrow's arch-nemesis and he gets the chance to shine beautifully in Arrow... and he's not a Batman character.

- We get Shado, Eddie Fyres, Roy Harper, and Speedy (if you want to count Speedy)... all original Green Arrow characters.

So I don't get the criticism here. If we're talking about Huntress and Deadshot, that's two characters out of dozens on this show. It is BY FAR more of a Green Arrow show than it is a Batman show.

If we're talking about Oliver Queen being "too much" like Batman in this series, he was CONCEIVED as sort of a "Batman-Lite" character anyway. It's part of his history.

I'd argue that this show is doing everything perfectly. They're nailing it. And if you look at lists of Green Arrow's enemies and supporting characters, the writers of the show really don't have much to work with. So I think they're hitting it out of the park.

When it comes to Batman, I'd say as long as this show doesn't use The Joker, Two-Face, Catwoman, The Riddler, and The Penguin, any character is up for grabs, in my opinion.

 

[Lord]

I think the problem is when they try to turn certain elements from Green Arrow to be more like the Batman mythology, like with Count Vertigo as a Heath Ledger wanna be, or when the show pays as much tribute to Nolan's Batman films as it does to the Green Arrow comics.

I really like the show, but the creators of the show need to realise that there's potencial in everything, you don't need to Nolanise every single thing. You could make a more playful Green Arrow or a more "crazy" universe but keep the quality, or possibly improve it due to these type of stuff not being as common.