Comics Asm #536

[SLYspyder]

Man, I can't believe you guys are arguing back and forth for pages about whether or not Spidey was cowardly in the fight with Iron Man.

Let's look at it this way.

Iron Man is a powerful foe. Iron Man is many times stronger than Spidey. Iron Man can fly. Iron Man can fire repulser rays. Iron Man can do all sorts of ****. In short - Spidey might as well have been fighting Thor.

Spidey uses his smarts in a fight - and that's exactly what he did here. He outsmarted Iron Man, he blindsided Iron Man, and kicked his ass. Spidey defeated a foe who by all logic should completely outmatch Spidey.

Let's look at it this way. Say you're me, a guy of 6'0 with little fighting skill. Say you end up in a fight with an 8'0 guy who knows how to throw a punch and weights 300 pound of pure muscle. Do you - a) Put up your fists and fight him head on. Or b) use every tactic at your disposal, including crabbing chairs or bottles or whatever.

Spidey has used these kinds of tactics before. Outsmarting his enemies, webbing them in the face, etc. He's fighting for his life - it's all fair. He isn't ****ing Muhamad Ali fighting by certain rules.

And he ran away because - SHIELD agents, and possibly other pro-reg heroes would have been on their way.

What a pathetic thing to argue about

bull****.

i'm with horatio on this one. If there's one thing Sipder-Man has on about 95% of his opponents, it's his quickness/reflexes and spider-sense. Spider-Man IS a match for Ironman. A guy like Ironman shuldn't be able to hit spider-man due to his quickness and spidersense, which eventually, should cause Ironman to go down.

I'm not suprised though, after spidder-man got his ass kicked by capt america, of course he'll get destroyed by Ironman, and humilated again by some c-listers in the sewer before being saved by a human being.

i'm tired of this. It seems in every spider-man comic I've read lately, he's getting his ass kicked. I thought things would've been changed for the better after "the Other" and his new powers would be implemented. but no, the writers keep on ignoring his super strength and more importantly super speed, and spider-sense. it's really sickening.

 

[Miss Webb]

When I bought a poor conditioned Amazing Spider-Man #2 in 2001 for $125, I finally completed my set of Amazing Spider-Man's.

I had picked up a VG conditioned copy of ASM #1 in 1990 for $1500.

Big wallet!

I'd never afford anything like that...although another prized possession of mine is the GIANT sized Thor special where he fights Hercules over Jane Foster. Hard to believe they used to make special editions oversized like that. (its straight from the Kirby days). I basically store my stuff in the heavy duty office boxes with the wire frames. I also have the B/W Tomb of Dracula! another classic.

 

[kainedamo]

bull****.

i'm with horatio on this one. If there's one thing Sipder-Man has on about 95% of his opponents, it's his quickness/reflexes and spider-sense. Spider-Man IS a match for Ironman. A guy like Ironman shuldn't be able to hit spider-man due to his quickness and spidersense, which eventually, should cause Ironman to go down.

I'm not suprised though, after spidder-man got his ass kicked by capt america, of course he'll get destroyed by Ironman, and humilated again by some c-listers in the sewer before being saved by a human being.

i'm tired of this. It seems in every spider-man comic I've read lately, he's getting his ass kicked. I thought things would've been changed for the better after "the Other" and his new powers would be implemented. but no, the writers keep on ignoring his super strength and more importantly super speed, and spider-sense. it's really sickening.

But Spidey beat Iron Man!! And ****, he beat him good! What a bunch of whiney little girls you are. I would never, ever in a million years have thought that people would complain about how wussy Spidey looked when he was BEATING Iron Man. I was reading the issue, and I was like "wow, he kicked Iron Man's ass". You have some wires crossed or something.

Spidey can't dodge repulsar rays forever. Webbing Iron Man in the face was a good move. I mean, we're talking about Iron Man here!! Iron Man can go toe to toe with the Hulk, Thor, etc.

How has this happened? Why are we debating about this? Spider-Man WON. He WON the fight. And not only did he win, he won with lots of style. In Civil War, he clocked him round the side of the head a good one, and hit him right through a wall. In Amazing, he dogded multiple repulsar rays, punched Iron Man several times, did the "codeword: surprise (Spidey using his brains) and left him on the road completely humiliated. What more do you want??????

This kind of stuff drives me crazy. More and more, I am convinced that comic book fans are the worst type of fans and the hardest to please and the whiniest.

 

[SpideyInATree]

And Spider-Man's spider sense is constantly buzzing because of his unmasking. Why do people think that he's got a spider sense that he's going to dodge everything and anything? As if he's still not HUMAN somewhere deep in there. Maybe I'm being overly realistic with this fictional hoopla but if I had a constant buzzing in my head everywhere I went I'd have trouble pinpointing exactly where the trouble was coming from.

 

[Mr Jide]

But the thing is, when it comes to someone launching an attack, the spider sense doesn't just warn him but it simultaneously triggers his reflexes to dodge what ever it is that is trying to hit him.

 

[SpideyInATree]

But it doesn't mean that it's full proof and he's going to dodge every attack.

 

[kainedamo]

What more do people want? Can someone answer me that? Iron Man out classes Spidey in every way... but it seems people want Spidey to beat him with no effort at all.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Of course they do. Because they all believe themselves to be Peter Parker. And since they believe themselves to be Peter Parker they think that they can beat ANYONE and ANYTHING because they beat Firelord and Juggernaut one time.

But seriously, I believe most fans get that "It's my favorite character and my favorite character is the best at anything" syndrome. I love Spider-Man too, but I'd rather have a believable story than Spider-Man OWNING everyone in the Marvel Universe because the fanbase thinks that's what he should be doing.

 

[arachnid-guy]

Of course they do. Because they all believe themselves to be Peter Parker. And since they believe themselves to be Peter Parker they think that they can beat ANYONE and ANYTHING because they beat Firelord and Juggernaut one time.

But seriously, I believe most fans get that "It's my favorite character and my favorite character is the best at anything" syndrome. I love Spider-Man too, but I'd rather have a believable story than Spider-Man OWNING everyone in the Marvel Universe because the fanbase thinks that's what he should be doing.

Once again SiaT, you say the undisputable truth.

 

[Mr Jide]

But it doesn't mean that it's full proof and he's going to dodge every attack.

Not every attack, especially if its an attack from multiple directions but he'll still do a damn good job at dodging them.
However, in a fight against Cap, spider-man should smack Cap 6 days to sunday without an afterthought. As for ironman, spider-man can still be untouchable and give Stark the beating of his life. Spider-Man for too long is constantly being underwritten, undervalued and underestimated. Its a joke that has gone on long enough.

 

[Mr Jide]

What more do people want? Can someone answer me that? Iron Man out classes Spidey in every way... but it seems people want Spidey to beat him with no effort at all.

Then its clear your knowledge in spider-man is unequivocally limited.

 

[Mr Jide]

Of course they do. Because they all believe themselves to be Peter Parker. And since they believe themselves to be Peter Parker they think that they can beat ANYONE and ANYTHING because they beat Firelord and Juggernaut one time.

But seriously, I believe most fans get that "It's my favorite character and my favorite character is the best at anything" syndrome. I love Spider-Man too, but I'd rather have a believable story than Spider-Man OWNING everyone in the Marvel Universe because the fanbase thinks that's what he should be doing.

Its not like that at all. The fact is spider-man is constantly being underwritten and has been for a long time, which is pure bs, especially seeing as we had to endure a load of crap stories that facilatetd spidey's power upgrade in which he hasn't done anything remotely special with. On a one on one fight, spidey is smaking the living day lights out of ironman.

 

[Kevin]

People keep forgeting that Ironman was upgraded as well. We don't know how fast he really is. Hell, we don't even know if the armmor is empty or not.

 

[Mr Jide]

his speed and reflexes on a one on one fight is no match for spider-man period.

 

[Kevin]

we don't know that.

 

[Mr Jide]

check the official stats and if your knowledgable enough in both characters, I'm sure applying deductive reasoning will allow to make a close enough conclusion as to who'd win in a fight.

 

[Kevin]

Either of them could win in a fight, and you should know better that stats change as well as writer's story. NOTHING is set in stone, and spider-man is not THE man.

 

[Kevin]

It's a right time right place thing. No single hero will always beat another. First, it depends on whose book it is. Then the writer, then the reason for the fight, then the state that the fighters are in. It's not a, "this peson will ALWAYS win because they're faster or stornger" type of thing. That's just stupid.

 

[DACrowe]

It was okay. I'm glad to see him tell Tony "**** off" finally and outsmart him.

BUT

Then that is it. I think they're saving the "showdown" for CW7 or the ASM that comes out the same month. I mean they aren't NOT going to have it. But they're saving that for the climax it seems.

 

[kainedamo]

Then its clear your knowledge in spider-man is unequivocally limited.

Spider-Man - Can lift 10 tons, sometimes more but not much more.

Iron Man - Don't know how many tons, but its a heck of alot more than Spidey.

Spider-Man - Fast and agile.

Iron Man - Faster. He's got jets in his boots and if he wanted he could let the armour fight for him, allowing him to be a very quick fighter. His on board computer is constantly analysing things and adjusting to the situation.

Spidey - Shoots webs any size.

Iron Man - Fires repulsar rays all over the ****ing place. Repulsar ray vs web, no question who comes out on top there.

Iron Man is, technically, much more powerful than Spider-Man.

Like I said before, Spidey beating Iron Man is almost on par with Spidey beating Thor. So people should be pleased.

 

[Mr Jide]

Either of them could win in a fight, and you should know better that stats change as well as writer's story. NOTHING is set in stone, and spider-man is not THE man.

I know stats change thats why I didn't use it as a sole factor. I also didn't say spider-man was "THE man" but he's not the pu--y either. Which ever way you look at it, spider-man has been relentlessly underrated and worse, underwitten for too long when its clear in terms of each other's abilities, spider-man has a lot more going for him than ironman.

 

[kainedamo]

his speed and reflexes on a one on one fight is no match for spider-man period.

You're quite wrong about that. Iron Man's suit allows Stark to be significantly faster, plus with the extremis upgrade. And he has jet boots!

 

[Mr Jide]

Like I said before, Spidey beating Iron Man is almost on par with Spidey beating Thor. So people should be pleased.

Repulsar rays can easily be dodged with spidey's speed and reflexes, coupled with spider-sense.
Beating ironman is like beating thor?
I dont think so. Ironman is definately more powerful in terms of strength but it doesn't mean he's powerful as an all rounder. spidey has defeated many villains that are stronger than him and when he hasn't he still managed to give them a serious battering so who is tony stark to spider-man, seriously?

 

[kainedamo]

I know stats change thats why I didn't use it as a sole factor. I also didn't say spider-man was "THE man" but he's not the pu--y either. Which ever way you look at it, spider-man has been relentlessly underrated and worse, underwitten for too long when its clear in terms of each other's abilities, spider-man has a lot more going for him than ironman.

I agree that Spidey has been portrayed as underpowered too much in recent years, but definately NOT in his fight with Iron Man. And Iron Man is much more powerful than Spidey. It's simple fact.

 

[Mr Jide]

You're quite wrong about that. Iron Man's suit allows Stark to be significantly faster, plus with the extremis upgrade. And he has jet boots!

Uh no. Please think. Spider-man's speed and reflexes, coupled with his spider-sense. Just say it and repeat it to yourself