Aspects of Smallville you feel improved the Mythology

Holy dead and buried thread, Batman!

This has been discussed a lot in the S8 threads, so I'll add it here: Doomsday. The whole setup with Davis being a nice guy with a (presumably) dark and tragic life ahead that he *doesn't* want is riveting and makes DD more than just a giant, evil, regenerating Space Hulk.
 
I really like the chloe Sullivan character and i think it's a big shame they gave up on their plans to port her into the comic book. That character really adds something to Superman... Although, maybe i only think that because im in love with Alison Mack... It's impossible to tell anymore...
 
Obviously, Smallville is an alternate universe interpretation of the Superman mythology.

Some things have worked, some things haven't...in the 8 years of Smallville, what are the things you feel are the best ideas they have brought to Superman?

Mine off the top of my head...

-Having the Kents pre-chosen by Jor-EL to be Clark's adopted parents
-The Smallville interpretation of the Phantom Zone and having villians actually being ghostly phantoms
-The Lionel Luthor character.
-Making Martian Manhunter a friend of Jor-EL and Lara
-Portraying Jor-EL as a much more complicated figure.
-The idea of 3 crystals hidden around the world which lead to the creation of the FOS (could've cared for a somewhat better way to do it though as opposed to the Witch storyline...ugh)
There's a couple more but I gotta sleep on it...

You?

this is the only thing I don't agree with, given what you mentioned, it was possibly the worst story of the entire series... and therefore improved nothing about the mythology. The concept is ok, but it's excecution was terrible, and hence reflects on the concept itself.
 
Holy dead and buried thread, Batman!

This has been discussed a lot in the S8 threads, so I'll add it here: Doomsday. The whole setup with Davis being a nice guy with a (presumably) dark and tragic life ahead that he *doesn't* want is riveting and makes DD more than just a giant, evil, regenerating Space Hulk.

infact, it makes him Clark's exact future opposite. Both scared of what they will become, both afraid of being an evil destroyer. But because of Clark's parents, biological and adoptive, he turns out good. While poor Davis can do nothing but turn out evil.

2 good guys, both who will become ultimate beings
 
^^^i liked the davisbloome/DD angle he does have his humnaity left like it was seen in Bride

however by end of seseaon davis bloome personality will die and his only personality will be of mindless killing machine
 
this is the only thing I don't agree with, given what you mentioned, it was possibly the worst story of the entire series... and therefore improved nothing about the mythology. The concept is ok, but it's excecution was terrible, and hence reflects on the concept itself.

The only thing that was horrible, in my opinion, about that storyline was the witch angle. I liked the idea of Jor-el sending Clark on a mission to find the other crystals and unite them to make the fortress. It was also cool to see the Luthors race to find them while having Clark secretly searching for them aswell.
 
There are various changes that I think are pretty damn brilliant, a few that were pretty stupid, and some that were a mixed bag.

Great Changes

-Meteor Shower
Fantastic idea. Gives a great reason for Clark's landing without being noticed, and good story telling for the first season.

-Powers Developing in line with Puberty
I like seeing his powers slowly develop, especially the heat vision one being connected with sexual urges.

-Chloe
Most of it has to do with the charm of Allison Mack, but she's turned out to be a great addition.

-Bizarro
By far the best change Smallville ever did. I've always hated the Bizarro character in comics, but Smallville found a fantastic way to update the character. I honestly think DC should change the comic character to this version.

Terrible Changes

-Clark's powers being something that can be taken away
I don't like that Clark's powers can be transferred or taken away, and taken away so easily. Clark's powers come from his DNA and the idea that it can be transferred by a bolt of lightning and some kryptonite, or that some witch can disenchant them, or that Jor-El can take them away at the drop of a hat is kind of ridiculous.

-Jor-El
Has there been any character as nearly inconsistent as Jor-El? Lionel come close, but the writers just change him anytime they need it to fit the plot. One moment he's evil planning a destiny of Clark ruling the world, next its a destiny for Clark to save it, then he enslaves an innocent girl to get Clark, then he's a pacifist who wants to save the planet, then he encases Clark in a block of ice......and I don't have any god damn idea why?

-Flying
Out of all the sins that Smallville has committed, this one has pissed me off to no end. Clark finally flying should have been an amazing discovery of a power, and should have been a gob smacking moment to all in the show. Instead, Clark is like the last kid in second grade that learns how to read. When Chloe told Clark at the beginning of Season 7 that he really needed to get on that, my heart sank. Everyone is just waiting for Clark to fly instead of Clark finding out he can and everyone saying "Holy ****, Clark can fly???"

Mixed Bag

-Lionel Luthor
Lionel Luthor is a brilliant addition to Superman mythology played wonderfully by John Glover, but executed very poorly. Every season, the writers would write him a certain way to fit whatever plot they had that season, and his character is all over the map. He's evil, he repents, he goes back to evil, he's kind of evil and kind of good, he's a protector of the guardian etc.. The writers should have taken much better care of this character.

-Meteor Freaks
Great idea for providing villains, until the writers drove it into the ground. Instead of maybe having a few reoccuring meteor freaks, they decided to give almost the majority of the town meteor freak status. When they got to the T-1000 meteor freak, it just got embarrassing.

-Clark's arrival a sort of prophecy
This works on and off. I don't care for Earth being Kryptonian's vacation spot, but I like the idea that the Kent's were specifically chosen for Clark's upbringing. I kind of liked the cave prophecy, but the whole crystal to the fortress and Veritas thing just didn't work for me at all. It made Krypton's destruction seem so much of a sure thing, that I don't understand how kryptonians thought Jor-El was crazy.
 
Clark's powers come from his DNA and the idea that it can be transferred by a bolt of lightning and some kryptonite, or that some witch can disenchant them, or that Jor-El can take them away at the drop of a hat is kind of ridiculous.

Superman is vulnerable to magic, so doesn't this idea make sense?
 
Superman is vulnerable to magic, so doesn't this idea make sense?

indeed, though IMO, the concept could have been explored through a couple of FOTW episodes, rather than having an entire season of magical idiocy.
 
Terrible Changes

-Flying
Out of all the sins that Smallville has committed, this one has pissed me off to no end. Clark finally flying should have been an amazing discovery of a power, and should have been a gob smacking moment to all in the show. Instead, Clark is like the last kid in second grade that learns how to read. When Chloe told Clark at the beginning of Season 7 that he really needed to get on that, my heart sank. Everyone is just waiting for Clark to fly instead of Clark finding out he can and everyone saying "Holy ****, Clark can fly???"

Mixed Bag

-Meteor Freaks
Great idea for providing villains, until the writers drove it into the ground. Instead of maybe having a few reoccuring meteor freaks, they decided to give almost the majority of the town meteor freak status. When they got to the T-1000 meteor freak, it just got embarrassing.

Agreed with both. "No tights, no flights" made sense at first, and still applies in terms of tights, but I hate that they're holding of on flight for so long. He should have been doing it since season five.
And as for meteor freaks, I also agree. They're good every so often, but the first two seasons were pretty much all FOTW episodes.
 
I liked most of the what Smallville did with the mythology up until the end of season 5 when Lex became Zod, that really when I felt things changed and the producers started screwing up the mythology. I thought deaged the Kents was great, the meteor shower great, Lex gradual turn to evil was great, the caves, creation of the fortress, Lionel up to that point, etc. all that stuff work. Then the end of Season 5 hit, Lex becomes Zod, we start hearing about portals Kryptonians take to Earth, Martian Manhunter and Jor-El were good friends, Smallville is a suburb of Metropolis, Lionel's character becomes horribly inconsistent, things just got ridiculously stupid over the past 3 seasons.
 
I have to say, I really like what the show is doing with Doomsday. Much more than in the comics. Aside from The Death of Superman storyline, anything that has been done with him afterwards is pretty stupid.
 
I can understand why people like the fact that the meteor shower would cover up baby Kal-El's arrival, but how did the meteor shower get here? The rocket was programmed to fly on auto pilot to earth, but Jor-El couldn't have controlled a meteor storm also arriving here at the same time. Are we to believe that the rocket was launched, then the planet blew up, then a bunch of pieces of the planet magically followed the rocket over the course of that distance and arrived at the same time?
 
^ we're talking about the guy who not only created an alternate dimesion, but also preprogrammed the entirety of all the knowledge in the Universe into an interactive system as well as an AI version of his own consciousness, and you have an issue with him purposely masking his own son's arrival in a meteor shower? :confused: Jor-El knew the planet was going to explode (hence shooting him Kal-EL off the planet) it's not like he didnt have the tech to do something like that.
 
^ we're talking about the guy who not only created an alternate dimesion, but also preprogrammed the entirety of all the knowledge in the Universe into an interactive system as well as an AI version of his own consciousness, and you have an issue with him purposely masking his own son's arrival in a meteor shower? :confused: Jor-El knew the planet was going to explode (hence shooting him Kal-EL off the planet) it's not like he didnt have the tech to do something like that.

I actually have a problem with most, if not all, of that. Too often, he is used as a Deus Ex Machina to cover for poor writing.
 
I actually have a problem with most, if not all, of that. Too often, he is used as a Deus Ex Machina to cover for poor writing.

then you have a problem with the Superman mythology in general because all of those aspects of Jor-El I described are inherent in practically every version of Superman lore going back to the 1950's.
 
then you have a problem with the Superman mythology in general because all of those aspects of Jor-El I described are inherent in practically every version of Superman lore going back to the 1950's.

No. I have a problem when they use Jor-El to get him out of any situation by making him seemingly all-powerful IN ALL FORMATS.
And don't tell me what I have a problem with.
 
No. I have a problem when they use Jor-El to get him out of any situation by making him seemingly all-powerful IN ALL FORMATS.

some people have the same complaint about Superman in general, at least in Smallville the meteor shower bringing Kryptonite to Earth limits that..

And don't tell me what I have a problem with.

Umm... but didnt you just basically agree with what I said that you had a problem with in the sentence above? :huh:
 
No, you said I had "a problem with the Superman mythology in general." That is not true. Superman is my favorite superhero, but I have a problem with an aspect of the mythology.
There is a difference. A big one.
 
No, you said I had "a problem with the Superman mythology in general." That is not true. Superman is my favorite superhero, but I have a problem with an aspect of the mythology.
There is a difference. A big one.

:huh: Not sure I really understand the designation your making between having A problem with the mythology in general and not liking one aspect of it? Either way it's one of us saying there's one part we dislike. I said that you basically have a problem with mythology in general, meaining one issue with the mythology, You say, "no I have a problem with one aspect of the mythology?" I'm getting a headache.
 
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^ we're talking about the guy who not only created an alternate dimesion, but also preprogrammed the entirety of all the knowledge in the Universe into an interactive system as well as an AI version of his own consciousness, and you have an issue with him purposely masking his own son's arrival in a meteor shower? :confused: Jor-El knew the planet was going to explode (hence shooting him Kal-EL off the planet) it's not like he didnt have the tech to do something like that.

Though I don't have any problem with the meteor shower aspect, which I still think was kind of brilliant, they do use Jor-El as a giant writers crutch too often. This Jor-El can alter time, take away superpowers at the drop of a hat, and switches personalities and motives so often it makes my head spin. The only explanation I can come up with is that the AI personality really isn't a true representation of Jor-El. Sort of like in the Star Trek episode "Return of the Archons" where a great scientist Landru programs all of his memories and intelligence into the computer, but none of his soul or wisdom, and all sorts of crap goes wrong(Man I feel like a nerd right now).
 
Lionel Luthor and the changes made to Lex's past (with the exception of him knowing Clark - but only because of the later complications) are wonderful.

Having Earth be a vacation spot for Kryptonians is simply stupid as hell (if traveling planets was so easy...why did Jor El's family die?), Jor El knowing the Martian is ridiculous - most of the changes have been lazy, poorly executed or simply stupid on principal.
 

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