Assassin's Creed Unity Thread

[Marvolo]

OK yeah, I definitely don't know about this crap as much as you so I thank yo for typing all that out for me.

long & short, yes I was hoping that blu-ray would be a tech that's so future proof that it'd automatically be able to render passed 1080p and not have it as an eventually obsolete-able resolution. this means that everybody who bought those blu ray collections just to upgrade from the boxes of dvd collections they already had, will have to do go through the same process with the future 4k collections, in an era where physical formatting is being phased out in general.

so, this sucks.

I think you're looking at this all wrong. The development of 4K and other future higher resolution formats are wonderful things. It allows you to see a film at home with very little to no compression or degradation. Most importantly tho blu-ray has directly influenced the preservation of films. I mean look at some of the films that have been restored since blu-ray came out: Ben-Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Once Upon A Time in the West, Kubrick's films etc These are films that had dirty scratched film prints. But because blu-ray has such a high resolution studios couldn't put those prints on discs so they had to go back and rescan them and spend thousands to have professionals come in and clean the dirt off and fix the tears frame by frame and they regraded them and rebuilt the audio tracks and cleaned those too. This is stuff that only happened because of blu-ray. And when 4K hits the market next winter some studios will go back and make new scans. Because of this those classic important films now have nice clean prints and 2K and 4K scans that will last much longer than they would have when they were dirty and scratched. My point is that without blu-ray and these upgrades to home video we would be in very bad shape. Film and it's preservation and home video go hand in hand. This is the reason director's were head over heels for blu-ray.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I think you're looking at this all wrong. The development of 4K and other future higher resolution formats are wonderful things. It allows you to see a film at home with very little to no compression or degradation. Most importantly tho blu-ray has directly influenced the preservation of films. I mean look at some of the films that have been restored since blu-ray came out: Ben-Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Once Upon A Time in the West, Kubrick's films etc These are films that had dirty scratched film prints. But because blu-ray has such a high resolution studios couldn't put those prints on discs so they had to go back and rescan them and spend thousands to have professionals come in and clean the dirt off and fix the tears frame by frame and they regraded them and rebuilt the audio tracks and cleaned those too. This is stuff that only happened because of blu-ray. And when 4K hits the market next winter some studios will go back and make new scans. Because of this those classic important films now have nice clean prints and 2K and 4K scans that will last much longer than they would have when they were dirty and scratched. My point is that without blu-ray and these upgrades to home video we would be in very bad shape. Film and it's preservation and home video go hand in hand. This is the reason director's were head over heels for blu-ray.

it's because there'll never be a point where a piece of visual tech won't be carried into updates. just like I keep saying with the halo collection, are we gonna have to re-buy the same products every time a remastering technology comes out?

 

[Marvolo]

it's because there'll never be a point where a piece of visual tech won't be carried into updates. just like I keep saying with the halo collection, are we gonna have to re-buy the same products every time a remastering technology comes out?

Home video will always change and improve. Its technology, and short of an apocalypse event or some major cultural shift technology will continue to improve.

No ones making you upgrade every single movie you own. But its not like you're not gaining anything by doing so. You gain a better transfer, better audio, and new or improved special features for around $20 or less per movie. And you don't have to even pay full price. You can wait for sales. And blu-ray and 1080P has been on the market for a decade. So its not like an upgrade is unreasonable.

I personally will buy some films on every format that it comes out on as long as their is some improvement. Other films I'm fine with just owning on DVD and some I'm fine with just owning on blu-ray. It just depends on the film.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Home video will always change and improve. Its technology, and short of an apocalypse event or some major cultural shift technology will continue to improve.

No ones making you upgrade every single movie you own. But its not like you're not gaining anything by doing so. You gain a better transfer, better audio, and new or improved special features for around $20 or less per movie. And you don't have to even pay full price. You can wait for sales. And blu-ray and 1080P has been on the market for a decade. So its not like an upgrade is unreasonable.

I personally will buy some films on every format that it comes out on as long as their is some improvement. Other films I'm fine with just owning on DVD and some I'm fine with just owning on blu-ray. It just depends on the film.

I just dropped a few blocks early on in the semester for the harry potter ultimate edition on blu ray. now if they come out with a harry potter ultimate edition 4k i'm gonna be pissed. coz that means there'll be an 8k and 16k and bla bla way down yonder.

 

[Marvolo]

I just dropped a few blocks early on in the semester for the harry potter ultimate edition on blu ray. now if they come out with a harry potter ultimate edition 4k i'm gonna be pissed. coz that means there'll be an 8k and 16k and bla bla way down yonder.

There won't be a 16k. Harry Potter was shot on 35mm and it tops out at 8K as far as I know. But 8K home video resolution is literally a decade away. Probably more than that.

As for another harry potter release, 4K discs don't hit the market until December 2015. So far there have been no hints or rumors that WB is preparing another Harry Potter release for next December so there likely won't be another release of those films in 4K for two years or so.

Like I said tho. No one is requiring you to buy these and this certainly isn't a money grab. It's just the nature of home video. There is no way to future proof home video like you want it to be. The tech for a 8K home tv isn't there yet. It takes time to do R&D on this stuff. The fact we've made it to 4K is pretty damn miraculous in and of itself.

And this isn't a new thing. It's been going on since the days of 8mm. 8mm gave way to 16mm. Then came laserdisc. Then came betamax. Then came vhs. Then came DVD. Then came HD-DVD/Blu-ray. Now we have 4K blu-ray. This is nothing new and it's simply the price you pay if you want to have the newest tech in home video.

You do realize that regular 1080p blu-ray production won't be discontinued, right? I wasn't sure if I'd said that. Studios will be releasing films on DVD, 1080p, and 4K. 4K is essentially expected to be handled like studios handle their 3D blu-ray releases. A premium viewing format for an extra cost. It's likely to only ever be niche market for videophiles.

 

[Thundercrack85]

All this talk about resolution, and I still can't tell you if something is 1080p or 720.

 

[Marvolo]

All this talk about resolution, and I still can't tell you if something is 1080p or 720.

The difference between 4K (2160p) and 1080p is night and day. I've seen it myself. It's twice the pixels of 1080p so the difference is a lot easier to spot. You'd have to blind to not notice the difference. And the color range of 4K discs and tvs far exceed the color range of 1080p tvs and discs. That's something most people don't seem to realize. 4K or any increase in pixels doesn't just offer more pixels. It allows more diverse color ranges. Which allows a better more vibrant image.

The reason most people can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p is because it is a marginal upgrade.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

There won't be a 16k. Harry Potter was shot on 35mm and it tops out at 8K as far as I know. But 8K home video resolution is literally a decade away. Probably more than that.

As for another harry potter release, 4K discs don't hit the market until December 2015. So far there have been no hints or rumors that WB is preparing another Harry Potter release for next December so there likely won't be another release of those films in 4K for two years or so.

Like I said tho. No one is requiring you to buy these and this certainly isn't a money grab. It's just the nature of home video. There is no way to future proof home video like you want it to be. The tech for a 8K home tv isn't there yet. It takes time to do R&D on this stuff. The fact we've made it to 4K is pretty damn miraculous in and of itself.

And this isn't a new thing. It's been going on since the days of 8mm. 8mm gave way to 16mm. Then came laserdisc. Then came betamax. Then came vhs. Then came DVD. Then came HD-DVD/Blu-ray. Now we have 4K blu-ray. This is nothing new and it's simply the price you pay if you want to have the newest tech in home video.

You do realize that regular 1080p blu-ray production won't be discontinued, right? I wasn't sure if I'd said that. Studios will be releasing films on DVD, 1080p, and 4K. 4K is essentially expected to be handled like studios handle their 3D blu-ray releases. A premium viewing format for an extra cost. It's likely to only ever be niche market for videophiles.

well keep on spittin that knowledge man, i'm just saying eventually there may be 4K harry potter ultimate editions, not right away, but eventually there will be rendering anything bluray/1080p obsolete.

however, the 1 difference i say there will be is that we're shifting into a non-physical phase. i don't think a new format will be a thing. when vhs and dvds coexisted the cassettes were eventually discontinued and it was only dvds. then with blu ray vs hddvd, the blu ray disc sales were never strong enough to make people stop buying dvds. and now more people stream than ever, you know

 

[eternalinferno]

Is it just me or have half the posts in this thread veered completely off topic, haha. Anyway, this game is definitely growing on me. I've been a bit cautious of AC games ever since revelations but then they come out, I play it, and thoroughly enjoy it. I might put my preorder for this down when I pick up advanced warfare tonight.

 

[Marvolo]

well keep on spittin that knowledge man, i'm just saying eventually there may be 4K harry potter ultimate editions, not right away, but eventually there will be rendering anything bluray/1080p obsolete.

however, the 1 difference i say there will be is that we're shifting into a non-physical phase. i don't think a new format will be a thing. when vhs and dvds coexisted the cassettes were eventually discontinued and it was only dvds. then with blu ray vs hddvd, the blu ray disc sales were never strong enough to make people stop buying dvds. and now more people stream than ever, you know

And you know that even when and if streaming gets more popular studios will not release some end all be all future proof version of a film. You will buy the movie and then a year or two later a new better version will come out. And if you want it you will have to pay for it. That isn't going to change even if we switch entirely to streaming. Studios will always charge for each new release of a film. And they will never stop rereleasing films. So if we switch to an entirely streaming home video format within the life of 4K and you buy a 4K movie and then we go to 8K you will have to pay for the 8K release if you want it. They aren't just going to let you have anything for free. They can't release a 4K release that can just be switched to 8K when and if 8K tvs ever come out. It doesn't work like that. And even if it was possible no studio would do it, because it's an absolutely terrible business plan.

Frankly, you might as well get over it. It costs to have the latest in home video, and the studios and manufacturers have to make money so they can continue R&D on new tech. Blu-ray and 4K and even streaming are not the end all be all of home video. It will continue to upgrade and change throughout our lives and well beyond our lives. And you will have to rebuy your movie library many more times within your lifetime if you plan to stay current in home video. That's the way of it.

Now, I think we've derailed this thread long enough.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Some of the gameplay has looked pretty choppy. Hope it's 30 fps locked at least.

 

[Marvolo]

Look at the pop in! This is from the finished PS4 version.

I guess when Ubisoft was bragging about thousands of NPCs being on screen they forget to mention the god awful pop in. This is just shoddy.

 

[Quasimod0]

That's pretty terrible. Hopefully it doesn't happen too often.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

I know fanboys like to think this got downgraded for PS4 for parity but there's no way this would've ran at 60 fps with all those NPC's on screen. 1080p maybe, 60 fps, no way.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

AC has always suffered from that. It was pretty bad in Black Flag. It seems like thats something they just cant nail down.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Look at the pop in! This is from the finished PS4 version.

I guess when Ubisoft was bragging about thousands of NPCs being on screen they forget to mention the god awful pop in. This is just shoddy.

...please tell me that's fake.

 

[X Knight]

so....what is "pop in?" what should I be noticing in that clip?

 

[ProjectPat2280]

so....what is "pop in?" what should I be noticing in that clip?

See how as the player is running, items in the background/foreground(the NPC's) just magically appear? Thats the pop in. Like the game cant render them all at the same time so as the player gets closer they just appear. Its an issue that has plagued the series for some time now and appears as tho its made its way to the next generation of consoles.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't understand. I always assumed this was due to limitations of the hardware. Shouldn't these new consoles be more than sufficient at least not to have this noticeable of pop ups?

I mean, this would be noticeably bad in a 7th gen game.

 

[X Knight]

See how as the player is running, items in the background/foreground(the NPC's) just magically appear? Thats the pop in. Like the game cant render them all at the same time so as the player gets closer they just appear. Its an issue that has plagued the series for some time now and appears as tho its made its way to the next generation of consoles.

ah. thanks.

I see what you're talking about.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Look at the pop in! This is from the finished PS4 version.

I guess when Ubisoft was bragging about thousands of NPCs being on screen they forget to mention the god awful pop in. This is just shoddy.

That is so crap. There is no draw distance.

In all seriousness, this was accept with 3 and Black Flag. But on tshe new system? There is no excuse. This is an embarrassment.

 

[Thundercrack85]

There's talk of a day one patch.

 

[Benstamania]

Yeah..I have a feeling that will be patched.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I'm most curious about the combat. I still hope they let me do some bad ass finishing moves. I haven't really seen that from any of the videos Iv watched, which granted, hasn't been many.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't understand. I always assumed this was due to limitations of the hardware. Shouldn't these new consoles be more than sufficient at least not to have this noticeable of pop ups?

I mean, this would be noticeably bad in a 7th gen game.

Pop in can be a result of HDD speed but its not the only reason. The new solid state drives on the market can access data insanely fast because they have no moving parts (they are basically massive USB drives) so they can make pop in is nearly non existent even on games that are known for excessive pop in (Rage Im lookin at you.) With the standard old disc drives howerer they have to spin up and it takes longer for the system to retrieve the data on the drive's disk. This can result in pop in. Both the X1 and PS4 have disc drives so some pop in will happen at a distance. Thats unavoidable and cant really be held against any console. Its just an inherent flaw of disc drives.*

However, this pop in is happening extremely...ridiculously close to the foreground. That means its a programming issue of the game and not a hardware problem.

*You may be asking why consoles dont switch to Solid State Drives. Well, the ones on the market have a serious flaw. They have a finite limit of data you can write on them. After that they die. Bricked. Gone. D.E.A.D. It varies depending on manufacturer. What this means is lets say you've got a 100gb SSD. Youve filled it up and emptied it and filled it up again. Thats known as a prpgram/erase cycle. After a certain number of program/erase cycles a SSD becomes very unreliable. And total failure becomes more and more likely with each cycle.

Now, idk the reason for this (involves a lot of technical jargon), but the long and short of it is these drives are not good for a console that needs its drive to last for 5+ years. SSD simply have too low of a cycle limit to be a viable option for consoles. Until this cycle limit problem is figured out (if it even can be fixed) no console will have a SSD. And there is the issue of cost. SSD are ridiculously expensive compared to HDDs.