Sci-Fi Avatar: The Way Of Water

[Filmfreak]

I don't understand why people tend to confuse realistic concepts/themes with realistic depiction of any sort of idea. Yes, sometimes these two go together but not by default.

Game of Thrones for example shows a very unrealistic world (dragons, magic, etc) in a relatively realistic way. Fast and Furious shows realistic themes (car-racing, hustling, etc) in pretty much the most unrealistic way possible. The former approach takes something impossible and makes you believe that if such a world existed, things would pretty much happen like that. It sets some rules and it follows them. It makes everything more relatable and therefore more believable in a way.

That being said there is nothing wrong with the latter. Nor everything should be portrayed in a realistic way. It is a matter of preference and each approach serves a different purpose and is aimed at different audience. People can be entertained and have fun in different ways.

The comments Cameron made have nothing to do with the idea of creatures moving, living and breathing underwater but whether all that is presented in a plausible way for the viewers or not. He himself deals with many sci-fi elements in his movies but puts much thought and research into everything in order for the audience to buy them.

But that's not the case with every movie. For example in the Superman movies I can buy the concept of a superfast indestructible flying alien being within the context of those said films. That doesn’t mean that in Superman II the forget-kiss or the “S” throw are not shown in a totally ridiculous and unrealistic way with no explanation or logic behind them. There can be ground rules and coherence behind everything. It’s all about the execution.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't understand why people tend to confuse realistic concepts/themes with realistic depiction of any sort of idea. Yes, sometimes these two go together but not by default.

Game of Thrones for example shows a very unrealistic world (dragons, magic, etc) in a relatively realistic way. Fast and Furious shows realistic themes (car-racing, hustling, etc) in pretty much the most unrealistic way possible. The former approach takes something impossible and makes you believe that if such a world existed, things would pretty much happen like that. It sets some rules and it follows them. It makes everything more relatable and therefore more believable in a way.

That being said there is nothing wrong with the latter. Nor everything should be portrayed in a realistic way. It is a matter of preference and each approach serves a different purpose and is aimed at different audience. People can be entertained and have fun in different ways.

The comments Cameron made have nothing to do with the idea of creatures moving, living and breathing underwater but whether all that is presented in a plausible way for the viewers or not. He himself deals with many sci-fi elements in his movies but puts much thought and research into everything in order for the audience to buy them.

But that's not the case with every movie. For example in the Superman movies I can buy the concept of a superfast indestructible flying alien being within the context of those said films. That doesn’t mean that in Superman II the forget-kiss or the “S” throw are not shown in a totally ridiculous and unrealistic way with no explanation or logic behind them. There can be ground rules and coherence behind everything. It’s all about the execution.

It is. They are atlanteans and fish people. They arent restrained in water the way normal land dwelling humans are. Fish people and Atlanteans being great swimmers takes much less suspension of disbelief than most of the nature god **** in Avatar.

 

[DarkKnight88]

What does it all even matter anyway since he said he liked the movie.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Hard to agree with the latter part of the statement. Kids are much more naive and easier to convince. They just don't have critical thinking and experience of an adult. It has little to do with thinking if it's real or not. There's also nothing foolish about asking for movies to be believable. You aren't in the mind of a child anymore.

 

[Teelie]

An even easier way to debunk that: Children still believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy...

 

[DarkKnight88]

I like the word that Richard Donner used when making Superman:

Verisimilitude = the appearance of being true or real.

James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Christopher Nolan are all masters at this.

 

[terry78]

Cameron's mindset is more based in scifi regarding reality. Like all the stuff he's done is basically outlandish scifi but technically could exist at some point like aliens or technolgoy run amok. That's what he's getting at probably.

 

[DOBSON10]

Cameron shouldn't be talking about things being believable, since he believes Sam Worthington is a leading man.

 

[:eek:]

Avatar 2: James Cameron Talks Jake And Neytiri’s Family In Sequel – Exclusive

 

[Kane52630]

Avatar 2: James Cameron Talks Jake And Neytiri’s Family In Sequel – Exclusive

For one, it’s set several years on from the 2009 original – Jake and Neytiri are still together, and they now have an eight year-old daughter. Cameron detailed a ‘critical’ argument scene between the bickering parents, shot from the point of view of their kid – all part of the ‘emotional rollercoaster’ that Jake faces in the coming instalments.

“There’s a three-page argument scene between Jake and Neytiri, a marital dispute, very, very critical to the storyline,” Cameron explains on the Avatar Podumentary. “I wound up shooting it all from the point of view of the eight year old hiding under the structure and peeking in […] Having gone through the experience with [Sam Worthington] on Avatar, I now knew how to write the Jake character going forward across the emotional rollercoaster of the next four movies. It’s been tough on him. He’s done two pictures back to back now, because we did 2 and 3 together. He had to go to some dark places.”

 

[Kane52630]

Here's Why James Cameron Rejected Captain America Star Chris Evans for Avatar

Director James Cameron has revealed that Hollywood stars Chris Evans and Channing Tatum had auditioned for the lead role in Avatar

Director James Cameron has revealed that Hollywood stars Chris Evans and Channing Tatum had auditioned for the lead role in his 2009 sci-fi blockbuster Avatar.

The 64-year-old director said he found the performance of Sam Worthington better for the part of disabled former marine Jake Sully than the other two stars.

"That was my choice. I really liked Channing's appeal. I liked Chris' appeal. They were both great guys. But Sam had a quality of voice and a quality of intensity," he said during his recent appearance on the Empire Podcast.

"Everybody did about the same on all the material through the script, except for the final speech where he stands up and says, 'This is our land, ride now, go as fast as the wind can carry you'. That whole thing. I would have followed him into battle. And I wouldn't have followed the other guys. They've since gone onto fantastic careers and all that, but Sam was ready. He was ready," he added.

The director is currently shooting for four sequels of the film that grossed over USD 2.75 billion worldwide. The studio, 20th Century Fox, had recently announced that the second instalment of the franchise will release in 2020.

 

[terry78]

Whatever.

 

[Boom]

Man, going to the mat for Sam Worthington.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Circa 2008 or whenever, I can see that. Channing Tatum wasn’t any good in anything blockbuster related (see G.I. Joe) and Chris Evans was too “nice”. Worthington was the happy medium.

 

[Kane52630]

Nah this was 2007, maybe 2006... so it was Channing Tatum who was only known for the Step Up movies or Chris Evans who was only known for Johnny Storm.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I’m sure their auditions showed what I just said.

But let’s be fair, they’re all fairly one-note actors. Only as good as the scripts they’re given.

But that’s what the role of Jake Sully is. A grunt with a heart. Not too much depth.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I doubt Cameron cared about what they were known for at the moment. It was the n-th time he picked nobodies for leads.

I think SW did his job well.

 

[Drizzle]

He was alright in Avatar but by God, did Hollywood ever try to force him down our throats from 2009-2012.

 

[Schlosser85]

Sam Worthington is fine in Avatar.

 

[:eek:]

Sam Worthington is fine in Avatar.

Certainly no worse than most performances seen in most superhero-movies or other blockbusters. I mean, does anyone expect an Oscar-winning performance in these kind of movies? Sure, it might happen once in a while, but it's a very rare thing

 

[MOVIELORD101]

Certainly no worse than most performances seen in most superhero-movies or other blockbusters. I mean, does anyone expect an Oscar-winning performance in these kind of movies? Sure, it might happen once in a while, but it's a very rare thing

I agree with this. Worthington can act, unlike Jai Courtney. He just got saddled with junk immediately after Avatar, like that absurdly mean-spirited Clash of the Titans remake (the sequel was better, though) and more recently nothing but supporting roles in forgettable junk like Everest and Sabotage. The guy never got decent work after 2009 mostly, although Man on a Ledge was a surprisingly decent heist thriller that he actually was really good in.

 

[DarkKnight88]

It’ll be interesting in these sequels since I assume we won’t see him other than motion capture since his real body would have long been discarded by now.

 

[dark_b]

Rolex Had the Best Oscars Commercials with James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Kathryn Bigelow & Alejandro G. Iñárritu

this looks like the new Jake Sully model from the sequel. i dont think he looked like this in the first movie.

 

[Thome216]

Rolex Had the Best Oscars Commercials with James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Kathryn Bigelow & Alejandro G. Iñárritu

this looks like the new Jake Sully model from the sequel. i dont think he looked like this in the first movie.

It has been a few years. People can change quite drastically, esp if you are starting out with a clone body in 'general' condition. I could see his physique changing as he lives and gets acclimated to life on Pandora.

I liked the first movie, but have yet to see it all the way through since. It didn't resonate with me enough to sit through another viewing. That being said, I do hope the sequels draw in mondo-cash. I want Cameron to drown Disney in money so he can get back to his better movie franchise - Alita.

 

[Abudefduf]

While I don't believe that Cameron will ever get to finish this series, I've got to admit that I'm actually looking forward to the sequel. Can't wait to see what kind of weird critters live in the oceans of Pandora.