The Avengers Avengers 2 and 3 idea *spoilers*

[Vulklin]

Here is my idea for Avengers 2 and 3

First off, introduce Ant-Man and Wasp. Ant-Man is working on Ultron. After fighting off a world invasion from Loki and his minions, SHIELD are interested in the Ultron robots Pym is working on.

Important to make Wasp a very likeable character, because it gonna be sad at the end. The audience needs to connect with her and relate to her.

Now, villains and plot.

I want HYDRA and they definitely fit the bill of the plot I have in mind. I will try and explain that part now.

My idea is to make Avengers 2 dark, kind of like Empire Strikes Back, where the Avengers LOSE at the end.
Loki tried to take over the world by force, with an army, in first one.
So cannot do that again really.

How about the villains plot is to take over the world and
a) they succeed
b) they do it through cunning, not brute force
c) the people actually welcome it, because the villains use a very successful propaganda machine

They can use people's disillusionment at financial crisis and war and poverty etc, using propaganda to make the people turn on the elected politicians

So there would be a worldwide military coup carried out by HYDRA, with the people actually supporting them

But obviously once HYDRA have power, the people will realise they made a big mistake

The leader of HYDRA would be Red Skull, thought to be dead, but actually he was merely transported somewhere else, not sure where yet. Main thing is that he is alive, not dead.

He has actually been back on Earth for a few years, trying to get HYDRA started up again. Later we learn he is working with Thanos and Thanos is the one who had the idea of taking over the world by cunning and propaganda, rather than force.

How does Ultron fit in? How does he turn villain?

Well my idea for this is. Towards the end of Avengers 2, the Avengers will become trapped, all hope seems lost. Wasp will have a choice to make. Due to her size, she can either escape the room and everyone else will die, or she can sacrifice herself and save the rest of the team. She loves to be an Avenger so she saves her team at the cost of her life.

So when Ant-Man hears of wife death, he is grief stricken, sad, angry, all the emotions. His latest Ultron is observing all these emotions, so they are now deeply implanted into the Ultron brain.

He will turn villain in Avengers 3, but seeds are planted in Avengers 2. So at first Ultron is used by SHIELD as a way of trying to fight back against HYDRA, who are running a totalitarian regime throughout the entire globe.

Thanos introduction. The Avengers are on the helicarrier just discussing the situation. All of a sudden, Thanos bursts through the roof and lands nonchalant right in the middle of the entire team of Avengers. He does not start attacking anyone, he is just calm, paying most attention to Thor and not really paying much attention to anyone else. Thor is the only one who recognises him, hinting at previous encounter. A SHIELD agent or two start panic firing as he lands, but he just stands there, bullets no effect whatsoever. Thor tells the agent to stop and takes up a ready position, awaiting Thanos' next move.
By the way, if you seen the episode of DS9, where the Jem Hadar first introduce, he just teleports straight into the centre of DS9, without a care in the world and deeming none of them a threat, that is exactly the same attitude Thanos has. He only considers Thor a threat and he knows he can take him.
So Thanos starts to pace around talking to each of the Avengers, boasting, quizzing, bullying, just basically showing them all he is totally unfazed by them.
After he is a bit too rough with some Thor is more vocal and confronts him, but at same time wary of escalating anything because he knows Thanos could completely **** up any of them in blink of an eye, if he so chooses.
Thanos then asks which one is the beast? When Banner identifies himself, Thanos walks over and studies him, then he lifts him up by the neck, with a joyful grin.
Banner says you wont like me when I'm angry line, to which Thanos replies No, but I WILL like you when you are angry, that is what I want to see, where is this....HULK.
Banner then transforms into Hulk, whilst Thanos is still holding him around the neck.
Once he has fully transformed and struggling to break free and roaring, Thanos turns to glance at Thor as if to say, not as impressive as I hoped for. Then he throws Hulk with tremendous force through the wall of the helicarrier.
Hawkeye reacts by firing an arrow straight at Thanos' head. It just bounces off and has no effect. Thanos looks down at the arrow and says "still these primitive weapons, with this technology?"
Then he leaves through the hole he burst through in roof, gets in throne chair that is on top of roof and teleports away.

Thoughts so far?

 

[flickchick85]

You have some interesting ideas there to be sure.

But one aspect jumped out at me: you want to introduce Wasp, one of the most famous and significant female Avengers, just to kill her to serve as a mere plot device for the Hank/Ultron arc? Somehow I doubt Whedon would approve.

I'd personally rather see other Avengers than Wasp/Ant-Man, but if they do go with those two, Wasp has to stick around. The female representation is sad enough as it is, imo.

Without going into details since a lot of people still haven't seen the film, I feel like they laid some interesting foundations for the sequel, especially when you take into consideration what Joss has said about it.

 

[Vulklin]

You have some interesting ideas there to be sure.

But one aspect jumped out at me: you want to introduce Wasp, one of the most famous and significant female Avengers, just to kill her to serve as a mere plot device for the Hank/Ultron arc? Somehow I doubt Whedon would approve.

I'd personally rather see other Avengers than Wasp/Ant-Man, but if they do go with those two, Wasp has to stick around. The female representation is sad enough as it is, imo.

I love Wasp, but I also want to make it dark

I forget to mention that Wasp would not be the only one to die either.

I am not sure who yet, but at least 2 others will die.

The big one will be at the end of Avengers 3 where Thanos kills Iron Man.

Basically I was trying to think of a way of how to defeat Thanos? I have Iron Man, Thor and Hulk vs Thanos at the end of Avengers 3 and it lasts for AGES. Ultron becomes a factor as Stark, Pym and Banner devise a weapon that would work in a way to weaken Thanos somewhat to bring him down to their level.

The scene goes that during the epic fight, Ant-Man arrives with Ultron and uses the weapons on him. It basically removes the cosmic energy from him and prevents him from harnessing anymore.

As soon as the weapon hits Thanos, catching him off guard as he is fighting the other 3. Thanos is staggered for first time in either film. He unleashes a powerful energy blast right at Ultron and completely destroys him in one blast.

So now Thanos is more at their level and has to actually work hard to fend off the triple threat of Hulk Thor Iron Man.

The other members of the team are fighting elsewhere

 

[nickkase]

Haha Grimnir from IMDB

 

[Vulklin]

Haha Grimnir from IMDB

post on there and bump it for me

 

[jaqua99]

Here is my idea for Avengers 2 and 3

First off, introduce Ant-Man and Wasp. Ant-Man is working on Ultron. After fighting off a world invasion from Loki and his minions, SHIELD are interested in the Ultron robots Pym is working on.

Important to make Wasp a very likeable character, because it gonna be sad at the end. The audience needs to connect with her and relate to her.

Now, villains and plot.

I want HYDRA and they definitely fit the bill of the plot I have in mind. I will try and explain that part now.

My idea is to make Avengers 2 dark, kind of like Empire Strikes Back, where the Avengers LOSE at the end.
Loki tried to take over the world by force, with an army, in first one.
So cannot do that again really.

How about the villains plot is to take over the world and
a) they succeed
b) they do it through cunning, not brute force
c) the people actually welcome it, because the villains use a very successful propaganda machine

They can use people's disillusionment at financial crisis and war and poverty etc, using propaganda to make the people turn on the elected politicians

So there would be a worldwide military coup carried out by HYDRA, with the people actually supporting them

But obviously once HYDRA have power, the people will realise they made a big mistake

The leader of HYDRA would be Red Skull, thought to be dead, but actually he was merely transported somewhere else, not sure where yet. Main thing is that he is alive, not dead.

He has actually been back on Earth for a few years, trying to get HYDRA started up again. Later we learn he is working with Thanos and Thanos is the one who had the idea of taking over the world by cunning and propaganda, rather than force.

How does Ultron fit in? How does he turn villain?

Well my idea for this is. Towards the end of Avengers 2, the Avengers will become trapped, all hope seems lost. Wasp will have a choice to make. Due to her size, she can either escape the room and everyone else will die, or she can sacrifice herself and save the rest of the team. She loves to be an Avenger so she saves her team at the cost of her life.

So when Ant-Man hears of wife death, he is grief stricken, sad, angry, all the emotions. His latest Ultron is observing all these emotions, so they are now deeply implanted into the Ultron brain.

He will turn villain in Avengers 3, but seeds are planted in Avengers 2. So at first Ultron is used by SHIELD as a way of trying to fight back against HYDRA, who are running a totalitarian regime throughout the entire globe.

Thanos introduction. The Avengers are on the helicarrier just discussing the situation. All of a sudden, Thanos bursts through the roof and lands nonchalant right in the middle of the entire team of Avengers. He does not start attacking anyone, he is just calm, paying most attention to Thor and not really paying much attention to anyone else. Thor is the only one who recognises him, hinting at previous encounter. A SHIELD agent or two start panic firing as he lands, but he just stands there, bullets no effect whatsoever. Thor tells the agent to stop and takes up a ready position, awaiting Thanos' next move.
By the way, if you seen the episode of DS9, where the Jem Hadar first introduce, he just teleports straight into the centre of DS9, without a care in the world and deeming none of them a threat, that is exactly the same attitude Thanos has. He only considers Thor a threat and he knows he can take him.
So Thanos starts to pace around talking to each of the Avengers, boasting, quizzing, bullying, just basically showing them all he is totally unfazed by them.
After he is a bit too rough with some Thor is more vocal and confronts him, but at same time wary of escalating anything because he knows Thanos could completely **** up any of them in blink of an eye, if he so chooses.
Thanos then asks which one is the beast? When Banner identifies himself, Thanos walks over and studies him, then he lifts him up by the neck, with a joyful grin.
Banner says you wont like me when I'm angry line, to which Thanos replies No, but I WILL like you when you are angry, that is what I want to see, where is this....HULK.
Banner then transforms into Hulk, whilst Thanos is still holding him around the neck.
Once he has fully transformed and struggling to break free and roaring, Thanos turns to glance at Thor as if to say, not as impressive as I hoped for. Then he throws Hulk with tremendous force through the wall of the helicarrier.
Hawkeye reacts by firing an arrow straight at Thanos' head. It just bounces off and has no effect. Thanos looks down at the arrow and says "still these primitive weapons, with this technology?"
Then he leaves through the hole he burst through in roof, gets in throne chair that is on top of roof and teleports away.

Thoughts so far?

Eh. Yes and no. I personally would like to see ultron and thanos switch. I have a very hard time believing that Thanos will be the villian in avengers 2. I just think you can't have Ultron follow thanos in terms of film. Thanos HAS to be the final villian, he is way too big of a threat. To go from Thanos, then to ultron, well, that would be a big down grade. I mean, with the Infinity Gauntlet appearing at comic con, and thor, its going to have some roll. And as far as we know now, Thanos wants the tesseract. For what? To infiltrate asgard and retrieve his gauntlet stollen from him by Odin maybe?. He is powerful, but he can't invade without the aid. Not to mention that there are rumors of a guardians of a galaxy movie, in which he can have a SMALL roll in.

However I do like the idea of jan dying and Ultron observing Pym's emotions. Avengers 2 has to be long. We have a few small villians, masters of evil maybe, a small version of them, like abomination, and a few other villians be kind of like a plot device to get Ultron involved. Then like you said, Jan dies works great for 2 reasons, 1. It gives Ultron a chance to see his creator display some nasty emotion, and 2, ill be honest with ya, Wasp, i hate that character..a lot. So i would be more than ok with her getting the shaft.

But i mean, having him being in the shadows of a guardians of the galaxy film to set things up could be great. But heading up to avengers 2..

Ultron shakes things up as the villian for last3/5ths of the film. they defeat him, and then maybe, after being teased, thanos appears on earth in full, maybe infiltrates a shield base quickly, beating on maybe two avengers and steals the tesseract, and leaves. we find out that his goal is to retrieve the infinity gauntlet. Maybe the after credit scene of thor 3 can be like, asgardians sprawled out on the ground, and Odin defeated, not dead by any means, but defeated, laying on the ground, weakly muttering "no.." or, "help us all" as we see Thanos retrieve the infinity gauntlet.

That is something I would totally like to see.

With The guardians of the galaxy movie possibly being the 2014 movie, and avengers 2 supposedly being more personal, I see Thanos being the main villian in avengers 3, NOT Ultron. I feel like this is the ultimate way to go. We see thanos for the first time in 2012, and then he is teased and teased until that "huge marvel film event" which could be avengers 3. Which stars the avengers, drax, warlock, and maybe Mar'vell if need be, and the universe, vs Thanos.

To me, if the next two avenger films will be like this, with the other non avengers movie building up thanos, I will be far more than satisfied.

 

[jaqua99]

I love Wasp, but I also want to make it dark

I forget to mention that Wasp would not be the only one to die either.

I am not sure who yet, but at least 2 others will die.

The big one will be at the end of Avengers 3 where Thanos kills Iron Man.

Basically I was trying to think of a way of how to defeat Thanos? I have Iron Man, Thor and Hulk vs Thanos at the end of Avengers 3 and it lasts for AGES. Ultron becomes a factor as Stark, Pym and Banner devise a weapon that would work in a way to weaken Thanos somewhat to bring him down to their level.

The scene goes that during the epic fight, Ant-Man arrives with Ultron and uses the weapons on him. It basically removes the cosmic energy from him and prevents him from harnessing anymore.

As soon as the weapon hits Thanos, catching him off guard as he is fighting the other 3. Thanos is staggered for first time in either film. He unleashes a powerful energy blast right at Ultron and completely destroys him in one blast.

So now Thanos is more at their level and has to actually work hard to fend off the triple threat of Hulk Thor Iron Man.

The other members of the team are fighting elsewhere

Nah


read the post i just made. When Thanos is the main villian, you cant have anyone else. You cant. He is too big. It would be doing his character injustice if they throw in another villian in the movie.

Like I said, I think they will be going with an Infinity Gauntlet story, and if that is the case, he's got to carry the movie himself. Not to mention, if they keep the correlation to the comics, it would be nice to see Thanos' defeat come at his own creation. He should not be defeated by Hulk Thor and Ironman.

Ultron and Thanos should not be the two villians in a movie. They each need their own. Ultron for 2. Thanos for 3.

 

[Vulklin]

I don't want to see Infinity Gauntlet storyline because the Avengers are not powerful enough to defeat Thanos without it, let alone WITH it

Plus that story has already been told in comics

Movies are a different universe

I know my idea would NEVER get made because it would not get past the producers for being FAR too controversial, but it is what I would like to see

Villains actually taking over the planet and WINNING for once

Thanos is the main villain in BOTH 2 and 3, Ultron and Red Skull and other are all supporting villains



an ending for Avengers 2 I had in mind was basically Thanos sat in that throne, somewhere on Earth, having just become the RULER of the entire planet

ending for Avengers 3 Thanos sat in the throne again after the conclusion of the earth invasion storyline, he is given the first of one of the gems, indicating the infinity gauntlet

so basically they managed to remove him from earth, but now he has his sights set on the UNIVERSE not just earth

maybe then they could do a THANOS MOVIE

 

[cherokeesam]

Killing Jan off is a terrible idea because (1) fanboys (and girls) will revolt, and (2) she wouldn't be in the movie long enough for uninitiated general audiences to know or give a damn about her, so the death lacks any emotional impact. As opposed to, say, someone who's become a fan favorite over the course of multiple movies... (uneasy cough)

And I'm not a fan of HYDRA/the villains taking over, and the Avengers basically playing "French Resistance." Might work for a one-shot farther down the line, but the Avengers still need at least three movies to live up to their full potential as THE Super-Team.

But I *do* agree with you that Thanos should appear in Avengers 2 (and possibly 3), because the setup is already there. Including the whole Infinity Gauntlet teases that jaqua99 mentioned. You wait 5 or 6 years for that payoff, and audiences will lose interest in Thanos....Marvel needs to strike while the iron is still hot.

 

[jaqua99]

I don't want to see Infinity Gauntlet storyline because the Avengers are not powerful enough to defeat Thanos without it, let alone WITH it

Plus that story has already been told in comics

Movies are a different universe

I know my idea would NEVER get made because it would not get past the producers for being FAR too controversial, but it is what I would like to see

Villains actually taking over the planet and WINNING for once

Thanos is the main villain in BOTH 2 and 3, Ultron and Red Skull and other are all supporting villains



an ending for Avengers 2 I had in mind was basically Thanos sat in that throne, somewhere on Earth, having just become the RULER of the entire planet

ending for Avengers 3 Thanos sat in the throne again after the conclusion of the earth invasion storyline, he is given the first of one of the gems, indicating the infinity gauntlet

so basically they managed to remove him from earth, but now he has his sights set on the UNIVERSE not just earth

maybe then they could do a THANOS MOVIE

Well we already saw the infinity gauntlet twice, so its going to be in this franchise most likely. Also, more than likely, its powers will be downscaled a lot lol. Thanos, power aside, is a very interesting power, he essentially defeats himself. So to have him wield such power. And have it be a created-by-himself defeat (subconsciously) then it could work. I mean, it seems like we will be getting the gauntlet. I would like to see something like the avengers and some of the guardians of the galaxy fighting him in another realm while he destroyed the solar system. And then at the end, have time set back, and everything right. Idk, to me that would be freakin awesome cause it not only displays thanos' power, and to the general audience, but it shows what a self conflicting character he is.

 

[Vulklin]

Killing Jan off is a terrible idea because (1) fanboys (and girls) will revolt, and (2) she wouldn't be in the movie long enough for uninitiated general audiences to know or give a damn about her, so the death lacks any emotional impact. As opposed to, say, someone who's become a fan favorite over the course of multiple movies... (uneasy cough)

And I'm not a fan of HYDRA/the villains taking over, and the Avengers basically playing "French Resistance." Might work for a one-shot farther down the line, but the Avengers still need at least three movies to live up to their full potential as THE Super-Team.

But I *do* agree with you that Thanos should appear in Avengers 2 (and possibly 3), because the setup is already there. Including the whole Infinity Gauntlet teases that jaqua99 mentioned. You wait 5 or 6 years for that payoff, and audiences will lose interest in Thanos....Marvel needs to strike while the iron is still hot.

it would have been better if ant-man and wasp were in from the start, but they not so

i actually want to kill off a total of 4 characters, not just wasp

the end of avengers would see iron man killed by thanos

i am bored of superheroes always surviving and no one ever being in any real danger

i want DEATH, Thanos is the villain after all t:

 

[jaqua99]

Killing Jan off is a terrible idea because (1) fanboys (and girls) will revolt, and (2) she wouldn't be in the movie long enough for uninitiated general audiences to know or give a damn about her, so the death lacks any emotional impact. As opposed to, say, someone who's become a fan favorite over the course of multiple movies... (uneasy cough)

And I'm not a fan of HYDRA/the villains taking over, and the Avengers basically playing "French Resistance." Might work for a one-shot farther down the line, but the Avengers still need at least three movies to live up to their full potential as THE Super-Team.

But I *do* agree with you that Thanos should appear in Avengers 2 (and possibly 3), because the setup is already there. Including the whole Infinity Gauntlet teases that jaqua99 mentioned. You wait 5 or 6 years for that payoff, and audiences will lose interest in Thanos....Marvel needs to strike while the iron is still hot.

Yes. But i dont know about having him as the main villian for 2. I just feel like it would do Thanos an injustice as a character by diminishing him as such a massive threat. And if they do keep him as big as a threat as we may be hoping, and he is in 2. then who will follow him? Like I said, going with someone like Ultron will just seem insignificant if we get Thanos as a massive threat as he should be. and he isn't setup for Avengers 2 guys. He appeared in the after credit scene, and we saw the IG. Thats it. For all we know This mid credit scene could have just let us know that he is going to be used in the future. and hell, if he gets teased 2 more times up until the 3rd avengers movie, then great. By that point we wouldnt be tired of him, cause we still wouldn't really know what they are going to do with him as a main villian.

Idk, just with the fact that all we see is him smiling, and it adds nothing to Marvel's future with him, it makes me think that he still could be used for 3, especially since they "said" avengers 2 will be more personal, and to me, that just screams Ultron.

You get my point?

I mean, this could be my biased talking. Thanos is my favorite character in the MU (sorry bigthor, he edges Thor by a hair), but I just wanna see them do him justice, and really save the mad titan for last, as a massive threat.

 

[Vulklin]

I think it would be great if Thanos is the villain for both sequels and then AFTER the sequels they have a Thanos movie

Thanos movie deals with infinity gauntlet and is set 95% in space, just like the space scenes in Avengers

That would be awesome t:

Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet vs Avengers would be crap because Avengers are way too weak to compete and it would involve watering down the gems to ridiculously low levels and have some plot device so they win

 

[Roose Bolton]

How does having a powerful threat make the story crap?

When you have a villain who can potentially kill all life in the universe, the stakes get raised to an unimaginable level, and it means that when the Avengers do defeat him that they've truly accomplished something. Also think about it, how many film versions of comic characters have actually saved the universe? The Avengers do that and the become known to the GA as truly the greatest superheroes ever.

 

[spider-neil]

this would make ZERO sense to the general audience but it would be freaking awesome

after every marvel movie the end credit sequence is thanos gaining an infinity gem

 

[Anti Goku]

If hulk got to his world breaker or beyond level he could pose a threat to thanos they have already shown that as long as hulk wants to live he won't die no matter what happens human form or not(bullet in the mouth)

 

[yads]

I don't care what it's about, so long as Joss writes and directs it and has 100% control over the story. If it goes into darker, more emotional territory (see: Angel season 5) I may literally explode with excitement.

 

[Vulklin]

If hulk got to his world breaker or beyond level he could pose a threat to thanos they have already shown that as long as hulk wants to live he won't die no matter what happens human form or not(bullet in the mouth)

how awesome would this be

a thanos solo movie

we follow the villain for a change, villain as protagonist

hulk is the main antagonist as a hero

 

[BigThor]

If hulk got to his world breaker or beyond level he could pose a threat to thanos they have already shown that as long as hulk wants to live he won't die no matter what happens human form or not(bullet in the mouth)

Thanos is still more powerful than World Breaker Hulk, he's not really a guy you can beat with strength alone no matter how much of it you have.

 

[Anti Goku]

True but that can't really be known for sure as thanos has never faced an opponent whose strength knows no end

 

[Anti Goku]

Also I believe that at somepoint they would need a solo movie to explain his origin etc... Other wise the general audience would probably wonder who the F$@% thanos is and why he is so strong

 

[psylockolussus]

this would make ZERO sense to the general audience but it would be freaking awesome

after every marvel movie the end credit sequence is thanos gaining an infinity gem

I agree! t:

 

[Roose Bolton]

Also I believe thanks at somepoint would need a solo movie to explain his origin etc... Other wise the general audience would probably wonder who the F$@% thanos is and why he is so strong

He's strong because he's ****ing Thanos ha, that's pretty much the best explanation for his powers.
Incorporating Drax will be the most important thing.

 

[Anti Goku]

Yes but the general audience would be wondering who he was and why he is so damn strong

 

[spider-neil]

THE best way to go is to make a thanos sole movie.

you start with him as a kid and you outline exactly why thanos wants to end all life in creation. this is also the perfect oppertunity to show him gaining the individual infinity gems. how great would that be, a movie from the VILLIAN'S point of view.

so when the avengers come to fight thanos, the reason why he is doing what he is doing is established.