Avengers 2 and X-Men DoFP are both using Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

Discussion in 'Marvel Films' started by blalex620, May 23, 2013.

  1. psylockolussus

    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    Yeah me too. A few years ago, I imagined Dr. Strange or Ms. Marvel or Ant-Man joining in Avengers 2 and not Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver.
     
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  2. Silvermoth

    Silvermoth Avenger

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    For people who have little interest in the twins, don't worry. You will ;)

    Don't worry too much about the panther or Ms marvel. They'll come soon enough. Marvel doesn't have to adapt all their characters straight away after all!

    As for the origins, some people have talked about terigenesis (how the Inhumans got their powers) or that maybe the twins are descended from two superheroes from WW2.

    Getting back to my first point though, trust in joss. The twins haven't had much of a role in comics in the last 10 years which is why I think some people have the 'don't care' attitude but they really are great characters and great Avengers. If you read some of the stories when they were Avengers you will realise why they are definitely Avengers material not X-men material
     
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  3. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    -_-

    They are equal parts Avengers and X-Men material. Thus the legal disputes. Especially in the Ultimate universe which has been the most prominent in the last 10 years.

    Nevertheless, I am okay with their addition so long as they have absolutely nothing to do with mutant-kind (which is lucky because they aren't allowed to).

    On the other hand, if they imply Pietro and Wanda are mutants without actually saying it I will be pissed because there has been no mention of Wolverine, Magneto, Xavier or any of the other FAR more important mutants of the Marvel universe.

    And on the other, other hand, if they introduce them without any explanation of their powers I will be just as pissed because that's not what the MCU is.

    I like the terigenesis/Inhumans idea, or just about anything having to do with the High Evolutionary. I'm actually rather against the Extremis/brain slot idea at this point. As it's terribly boring.
     
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  4. Mr. Dent

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    They're not equal parts X-Men and Avengers material. They're 90% Avengers. In Wanda's case 95%. Fox can use them because they're mutants.
     
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  5. The Englishman

    The Englishman Marching On Together

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    I wouldn't say Quicksilver is 90% Avengers, not with him spending a lot of the 90's in X-Factor.
     
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  6. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    I'd say Wanda is 90% Avengers, 10% Brotherhood; and Quicksilver is 60% Avengers, 20% X-Factor, 10% Brotherhood, 10% Inhumans.
     
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  7. Raiden

    Raiden Wakanda Forever

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    Is it confirmed that SW will appear in DOFP?
     
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  8. xeno000

    xeno000 IRON MAN WAS RIGHT!

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    No, and hopefully she won't be in it.

    I'm happy that Whedon hasn't changed his plans to use Wanda & Pietro in TA2. If anything, he seemed even more enthusiastic about them when he was on Fallon's show.
     
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  9. venom892

    venom892 Coming Home

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    Given Fox's track record, I'd be surprised if they even refer to Quicksilver by name in the film. He'll have a role equal to Toad in X1 at best. So I doubt they'll be any confusion when he shows up in A2.
     
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  11. animex

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    singers movie since x2 have tanked domestically, so let him use quiksilver, dofp will tank and fox will give up the x-men.


    S a B w g S a t i D
     
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  12. rayc1971

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    why are they in avengers2 before antman or wasp or blackpanther leave them for the xmen.we really don't need them in the second avengers movie really
     
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  13. rayc1971

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    Valkyrie did good in respect to its budget superman returns and jack the giant killer not so much.
     
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  14. marccoogs

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    Whedon shouldnt worry. Im sure Quicksilver's role is so small in DoFP, that it wont make much of a difference.
     
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  15. Eddie

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    :huh:... They were Avengers well before Black Panther, and they were part of the second real "group" of Avengers, so an introduction in the second film makes a great deal of sense.
     
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  16. Hawkingbird

    Hawkingbird I want to be Kate Bishop

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    Hmmm, questionable. Would they really hire a fairly well known actor for a small cameo?
     
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  17. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    I think when it comes to BP's absence, it's more about the fact they are adding two albinos to an already whitewashed cast. Black Widow wasn't a member until long after Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Panther or the Maximoffs, and yet everyone understood it was for diversity. The only diversity the Twins provide is in the color of their costumes.

    Does it make sense to continue avoiding the addition of Ant-Man and Wasp? Founding members of the team?
     
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  18. Warhammer

    Warhammer Half Monk, Half Hitman

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    Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are cool and all...but honestly, I'd prefer Henry Pym, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, or Black Panther before them.
     
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  19. def28

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    Antman has a movie coming out the same year.They are clearly busy planning the character into the MCU. He can very well show up TA2 as well. And if he doesn't, another Scientist may just not fit. Why shove characters in when you can't do them justice? Especially when a film on said character is being released months away.

    From the sound of things, SW and QS are gonna be causing trouble for The Avengers. They will serve a different purpose then Black Panther, Antman and Wasp. Besides, after 2015 we will have pretty much all the early recruits. It's a pretty legit line up.
     
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  20. pr0xyt0xin

    pr0xyt0xin Shaper Savant

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    I certainly hope so.
     
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  21. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    Falcon is *probably* joining the team for TA2, and War Machine is *possibly*, so there's some racial diversity right there. If Scarlet Witch joins in TA2, she will be only the second woman to join the sausagefest, so there's some gender diversity right there. Quicksilver doesn't add any diversity to the mix, granted, but he's sort of a package deal with Wanda. :oldrazz:
     
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  22. Wine-N-Cheese

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    Whitewashed? I know they're usually drawn white, but Wanda and Pietro are Romani.

    I have to ask, why all the requests for Antman, Wasp, Black Panther and Ms. Marvel (who is actually Captain Marvel now)? Is it because they were on that cartoon?
     
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  23. cherokeesam

    cherokeesam SHIELD Director Coulson

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    Actually, Wanda and Pietro are the children of Polish Jews. They were just *raised* Romani.

    As for who should join the roster first: people are just trying to follow the actual order of the founders in the comics; but that went against canon in the first movie with the inclusion of Cap, Widow and Hawkeye as founders. The actual 1960s sequence of membership, according to canon, should have been: Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Wasp and Ant-Man as founders; Hulk drops out the next issue; Cap is discovered and inducted; Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch join, while everybody else drops out, leaving only Cap's "Kooky Quartet" of himself, Wanda, Pietro and Clint; Wasp and (Gi)Ant-Man rejoin after a couple of issues; Swordsman, Hercules, Black Panther, and the Black Knight join, and Vision is created for the team; and Black Widow doesn't join until many years later.
     
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  24. Mr. Dent

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    Because it's what people know. People don't know Wanda and Pietro well and therefore don't see their worth to the Avengers. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of it was just because they were in the cartoon like you said though.

    Well if they were going by the order of who joined first then it does make sense for SW and QS to be the first new Avengers after the original team.
     
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  25. Wine-N-Cheese

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    They're half German Jew from Magneto and half Romani from Magda. You're right about being raised Romani, though.

    Yeah, I figured. It's getting rather irritating. Everyone should just love them, as I do!
     
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