Avengers: Endgame vs Justice League: The Snyder Cut

[Adhesive Boy]

Endgame isn't my favorite Avengers movie but this is a complete blowout anyway. Snyder just isn't a good filmmaker and having to take 4 hours to tell this story was laughable to me. There's so much unnecessary fluff and his use of slow motion is basically taking Abrams' obsession with lens flares and applying it to something that interrupts the movie much more.

I also find it hilarious how Snyder clearly doesn't care about Superman but also writes him in a way to make the rest of the team in this team up movie seem unnecessary. Endgame's biggest flaw to me was how Captain Marvel was used but even that can't compete with ZSJL.

 

[Erzengel]

I still have to finish JL but even though I wasn't a fan of Snyder's movies, I'm still surprised by this matchup as while we are talking about streaming vs. box office, that this was even playing field.

 

[Kane52630]

I still have to finish JL

The last 30 minute DLC is truly something you need to see.

 

[Deck Rickard]

The last 30 minute DLC is truly something you need to see.

Yeah, Joke Reacher definitely makes that scene... memorable.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm going to say Justice League is better cause it doesn't have Nebula calling Ant-Man an idiot, Professor Hulk, Hawkeye killing Yakuza in Japan cause he's mad he lost his family, Carol Marvel, Cap holding Mjolnir, Thor aiming for the head, Cap doing Falcon's thing and holding a post snap support group, Tony hug his dad, Thor has a talk with his mom.......


All this has no emotional weight compared to:

Spoiler

Martian Manhunter pretending to be Martha Kent to hug and chat with Lois cause..
Martian Manhunter going by Bruce Wayne's house to say "Invasion coming, be ready" for Bruce to say " Mmm 'kay" and Marty just flies away, with no role to play in the big battle.
"LOIS LANE IS THE KEY" Batman had premonition

It was a gift from the Lannisters.

Sorry for not replying sooner, didn't open notifications to see who quoted me where for a week.

 

[Detective Conan]

With respect, I don’t feel JL has enough of a sense of gravitas. I think it tried to with Cyborg’s character and it did okay there. But there’s very little sense that what we’re watching is impacting the world. And a global threat like Steppenwolf should do that. Maybe I missed some stuff but we don’t really get a sense of how governments and normal people are reacting to the crazy **** going down. Which makes the Swanwick/MM thing even more baffling. Even if he didn’t want to out himself, he still obviously knew what was happening and could have used his position to address the threat or at least support the heroes instead of leaving it all up to Bruce Wayne’s wallet.

Endgame, in contrast, had a first act that showed how much the blip affected people. We get plenty of insights into how hard it hit the heroes, governments and normal people. It’s a little slow but it gives real weight to what happened. It’s a stark contrast to the lighthearted fun that is common in Marvel’s output and it’s a striking shift.

You’re not wrong about Steppenwolf but I even with that, I see still feel Snyder’s characters take the situations in the narrative more seriously than the Endgame characters, and doesn’t have bathos stuff like Fat Thor which was a major turn-off for me.

As for the action... this is subjective and most of it is CGI on both sides but I don’t know. I just think Marvel does CGI better than Snyder. They still have some shaky moments but more often than not, CGI action in Marvel’s films looks fairly real. I can’t say that for any of Snyder’s output except maybe Man of Steel.

Thanks for pointing this out in a thread about subjective opinions about what movie is better overall.

 

[DA_Champion]

Infinity War > JL > Endgame for me.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Endgame > JL > Intifinny War.

 

[Fosterson]

Infinity War>Endgame>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JL

 

[metaphysician]

third act of Endgame looked as drab and colorless as Snyder movies.

And yet it didn't matter the slightest, because the audience was invested in these characters and their fates. Almost like the issue with Snyder isn't his color pallete, but the use his puts to it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

And yet it didn't matter the slightest, because the audience was invested in these characters and their fates. Almost like the issue with Snyder isn't his color pallete, but the use his puts to it.

This. The guys at Double Toasted put it best in their Endgame review when they said something to the effect of, there are like 100 characters in that final battle, and you care about ALL of them. That’s an amazing achievement that Snyder and WB have never come close to pulling off. I doubt they ever will.

 

[Primal Slayer]

ZSJL doesnt have near the emotional feel to it as Endgame had (for me). I felt the stakes, we had all of our OG Avengers present and dealing with the outcome of the snap. Everyone played a role in saving everyone, we had Natasha sacrifice herself for the greater good. No one came in and was over powered to the point where everyone else was useless.

It's not even a fair comparison lol.

This scene

has NOTHING on this scene

 

[Deck Rickard]

ZSJL doesnt have near the emotional feel to it as Endgame had (for me). I felt the stakes, we had all of our OG Avengers present and dealing with the outcome of the snap. Everyone played a role in saving everyone, we had Natasha sacrifice herself for the greater good. No one came in and was over powered to the point where everyone else was useless.

It's not even a fair comparison lol.

This scene

has NOTHING on this scene

Damn right. I’ve watched that scene with Cap SO many times. It’s just glorious. And then when the portals open up and everyone else gets there... simply majestic. Supermute blocking an ax was so meh.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

I don't consider Endgame top tier MCU so I'll go with the Snyder cut

 

[Erzengel]

Finally finished the Snyder Cut. Endgame for me.

 

[Vaibow]

Endgame isn't my favorite Avengers movie but this is a complete blowout anyway. Snyder just isn't a good filmmaker and having to take 4 hours to tell this story was laughable to me. There's so much unnecessary fluff and his use of slow motion is basically taking Abrams' obsession with lens flares and applying it to something that interrupts the movie much more.

I also find it hilarious how Snyder clearly doesn't care about Superman but also writes him in a way to make the rest of the team in this team up movie seem unnecessary. Endgame's biggest flaw to me was how Captain Marvel was used but even that can't compete with ZSJL.

I got to agree.. after watch JL:ZSC I thought to myself, what the hell was he doing filming nearly 4 hours worth and then when he was allowed to finish it, it had nothing to keep me invested - it was just too long, going from one arc to another. Also, they made Superman to be this amazing person, this hopeful character yet, in the three films he featured in, the first he was introduced and we saw someone hiding away then reluctant to show himself, we didn't see him embrace who he was. The second, half the population hated him, he hated himself and batman hated him... then died. Then, his third movie, he comes back and sleeps walk to the end. It was so anti-climatic. Donner verse in one movie made the world care about superman, Dean, Welling, TH all made people watching care.

This is what I would have done - have individual up and coming directors that needed a break all sit around a screen and each director take a hero and use the footage to make a small episode 30-40 min, showing each characters arc. Cyborg's story, Bruce's, Barry etc then have it end with them all going off to battle, with one episode being the final show down.

Then on HBO show one a week with the final battle joining it all. Give them a budget and a window for any reshoots etc, would have been far more interesting that what we got.

 

[ernesth100]

Oh this is a good one. But Endgame by a long shot. The build up just doesn't compare.

With the SnyderCut it's more of the payoff of fans who truly put in the effort to get the film they deserved.

With Endgame is the culmination of several years of characters, shows, spin-offs and growing and changing with us.

Now I can't knock the validity of both film. But the SnyderCut is still Justice League just a more complete version. I'd even argue its a bit too fan-servicy in some areas(looking at you Martian Manhunter).

 

[Batmannerism]

ZSJL doesnt have near the emotional feel to it as Endgame had (for me). I felt the stakes, we had all of our OG Avengers present and dealing with the outcome of the snap. Everyone played a role in saving everyone, we had Natasha sacrifice herself for the greater good. No one came in and was over powered to the point where everyone else was useless.

It's not even a fair comparison lol.

This scene

has NOTHING on this scene

To be fair Captain America wielding Mjolnir is one of if not THE greatest single moment in the MCU, maybe even cbms in general. Watch some audience reactions to it, people really lose their minds - I certainly did.

 

[Primal Slayer]

To be fair Captain America wielding Mjolnir is one of if not THE greatest single moment in the MCU, maybe even cbms in general. Watch some audience reactions to it, people really lose their minds - I certainly did.

But it's also the lead up that helped create the moment. If it happened in A1 it probably wouldn't be half as memorable.

 

[Batmannerism]

But it's also the lead up that helped create the moment. If it happened in A1 it probably wouldn't be half as memorable.

I completely agree - which goes back to a key reason that many, myself included, believe why the MCU was so much more successful than the DCEU - it invested time in developing the characters both separately and together, so that Endgame really felt like something special.

If WW had come before B v S that might have helped a little. Introducing WW and Batman and killing Superman in the same film was more than any audience could really appreciate.

And then bringing Supes back in the very next film ? Yeah, not a great plan.

Anyway, that's well covered ground, so I'll stop there.

 

[Captain Tired]

I know it's kind of trendy to write off the idea of a shared DC cinematic universe on account of how well and truly WB screwed things up right from the off, but I genuinely wish DC had a properly successful and comprehensive equivalent of the MCU. I said right from the start that a lot of DC fans should simply shoulder a little humility and subscribe to the MCU's indisputable blueprint for success. Following that example would have paid off much better in the long-run, regardless of whether or not it looked like DC was 'copying' Marvel. As if either company has never 'copied' each other before.

 

[Zarex]

I know it's kind of trendy to write off the idea of a shared DC cinematic universe on account of how well and truly WB screwed things up right from the off, but I genuinely wish DC had a properly successful and comprehensive equivalent of the MCU. I said right from the start that a lot of DC fans should simply shoulder a little humility and subscribe to the MCU's indisputable blueprint for success. Following that example would have paid off much better in the long-run, regardless of whether or not it looked like DC was 'copying' Marvel. As if either company has never 'copied' each other before.

One poster put my quote suggesting WB/DC should just copy what Marvel is doing in his or her signature to mock me. But it seemed like a no brainer to me to follow a proven formula only with much more popular characters like Superman and Batman.

 

[Frodo]

I know it's kind of trendy to write off the idea of a shared DC cinematic universe on account of how well and truly WB screwed things up right from the off, but I genuinely wish DC had a properly successful and comprehensive equivalent of the MCU. I said right from the start that a lot of DC fans should simply shoulder a little humility and subscribe to the MCU's indisputable blueprint for success. Following that example would have paid off much better in the long-run, regardless of whether or not it looked like DC was 'copying' Marvel. As if either company has never 'copied' each other before.

Ironically, MOS was originally conceived by Goyer and Nolan as being Superman's Batman Begins, i.e. it was it's own thing and not really a foundation for a cinematic universe.

After the fact , when Snyder came onto the project, he may have had a 5 film arch or other ideas, but it was originally, at least from Goyer and Nolan's perspective, not even supposed to lead to a interconnected universe. It was supposed to lead to Superman , stand alone, solo films, much like the previous film iterations.

It was only after MOS didn't perform up to WB's expectations that they insisted on putting Batman, WW, Aquaman ,etc in it , meaning a sequel, and using it as a foundation for a cinematic universe.

So, it was a cinematic universe built on a foundation that was attempting to model itself more off of TDK Trilogy than the MCU .

But in doing so, WB wanted to rush to an Avengers style film and abandoned whatever the original conceit Goyer and Nolan had in mind for the MOS series.

 

[Sithborg]

Even though I have not, and will not see Snyder Cut, this is easy. Even in my extremely jaded view on the MCU, hell, I even hated Infinity War, Endgame was still able to produce the emotion of being glad I watched it. To see the fairwell to some characters I had liked a long time ago. There is no way in hell Snyder will be able to do that in 4 hours.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Even though I have not, and will not see Snyder Cut, this is easy. Even in my extremely jaded view on the MCU, hell, I even hated Infinity War, Endgame was still able to produce the emotion of being glad I watched it. To see the fairwell to some characters I had liked a long time ago. There is no way in hell Snyder will be able to do that in 4 hours.

It's the same movie, only with better cinematography, FX and a dull Cyborg subplot.