Bad Robot/Jonathan Nolan Bringing "Westworld" to HBO - Part 1

I find it fascinating that evil Teddy seems resentful of the changes Dolores made. Which, given what was changed, is not a great thing for her...
 
Sithborg said:
I find it fascinating that evil Teddy seems resentful of the changes Dolores made. Which, given what was changed, is not a great thing for her...
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I get it though. They are supposed to be free now but he really isn't, she is just as in control of him as the humans were. :(
 
Passive aggressive Teddy is the best. Even Dolores was a bit shook.
 
Sithborg said:
I mean, we all saw his butt last episode...
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ERW is lashing out on twitter. While I agree if someone like Maeve was a dude the audience wouldn't dislike this character as much as some do, this does not apply to Dolores.

Her responses show that she either doesn't understand her own show or if the writers really wanted for us to root for Dolores, the writing is worse than many people thought. We saw Teddy see his dead bodies, Clem saw her replacement, not a single 'empathize with her!' scene for Dolores. ERW constantly does this - I think when her ex was getting married she went after Ben Affleck for something insensitive he he said 20 years back (which was so cringe even me, someone who dislikes Affleck was like 'gurl....'), before Golden Globes she was all 'I will form circles on the red carpet around predators!'. Yeah, I'm still waiting for her to do that. Here we go with 'oh geez, I am no longer people's fav!' rant.
 
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Dolores earned her empathy throughout the first season, but I also think episode 2 of this season put it all into rather obvious perspective. I also think it is a fair to ask, considering everyone loves William. The most evil man this side of Ford. :funny:

Dolores has quite a bit of early Root to her. That burdened with glorious purpose/I know everything, thing going on. And I rather love it. Especially when you see how she reacted to new Teddy. That was very... damn.
 
I've never cared for Evan Rachel Wood, but I do still enjoy Dolores. Murderbots are fun! :oldrazz:
 
harlequinade said:
ERW is lashing out on twitter. While I agree if someone like Maeve was a dude the audience wouldn't dislike this character as much as some do, this does not apply to Dolores.
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I don't have Twitter. What's being said?
 
DarthSkywalker said:
Dolores earned her empathy throughout the first season, but I also think episode 2 of this season put it all into rather obvious perspective. I also think it is a fair to ask, considering everyone loves William. The most evil man this side of Ford. :funny:

Dolores has quite a bit of early Root to her. That burdened with glorious purpose/I know everything, thing going on. And I rather love it. Especially when you see how she reacted to new Teddy. That was very... damn.
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My point is - are we supposed to be rooting for her? Are we supposed to be viewing her as hero? ERW says yes. Well OK then:


1. We are getting reminders of Maeve, Teddy and Clem's suffering, not Dolores'
2. The scene where she turns Teddy. Was this framed as her doing something villainous? I think so. ERW thinks it was Dolores making a tough choice to save Teddy
3. I don't think she is even sentient, like Maeve is. So again, why root for her if this is just her programming stuck in Wyatt's persona?


I agree with Wood that there'd be much less hate is Dolores was a dude. But she compares Dolres to MiB. Yeah, wrong call. ERW is a fine actress but she is not Harris. MiB would be boring, cliche character in s1 if it wasn't for his charisma and acting. She is making a lot of points in her tweets and she goes against people who like Maeve and Maeve as character. Yeah....not a great thing to do.
 
harlequinade said:
My point is - are we supposed to be rooting for her? Are we supposed to be viewing her as hero? ERW says yes. Well OK then:


1. We are getting reminders of Maeve, Teddy and Clem's suffering, not Dolores'
2. The scene where she turns Teddy. Was this framed as her doing something villainous? I think so. ERW thinks it was Dolores making a tough choice to save Teddy
3. I don't think she is even sentient, like Maeve is. So again, why root for her if this is just her programming stuck in Wyatt's persona?


I agree with Wood that there'd be much less hate is Dolores was a dude. But she compares Dolres to MiB. Yeah, wrong call. ERW is a fine actress but she is not Harris. MiB would be boring, cliche character in s1 if it wasn't for his charisma and acting. She is making a lot of points in her tweets and she goes against people who like Maeve and Maeve as character. Yeah....not a great thing to do.
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I root for her. I root for her, Bernard and Elsie the most. I feel like they have made it clear what she has been through, and what she is burdened with. The Teddy scene was clearly framed as her making a tough choice. It is why she reacts the way she does.

What do you mean you don't think she is sentient? What gives you that impression? She solved the maze and she seems able to see things the others can't. If she is just Wyatt, why the situation with her father?

The show is full of fantastic actors, but if you asked me who was during the best and most difficult job, it would be her. Harris I would argue isn't doing the heavy lifting with William, as much as I love him in the role. That would be Simmons, who garnered the sympathy for the character, through Dolores. This season they have switched roles in that regard.

Also, I adore all these characters, but Maeve is interesting, in that she is basically showing herself the most selfish of the lot. If she is sentient, it is odd she is is so set on her programming. She is also responsible for more unneeded death then even Dolores. And why? Because she wants her "daughter" back?
 
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I also think that Delores is WAY more sympathetic than William/MiB ever was. What's William's great tragedy? That he realized the robot he fell in love with was actually a robot and none of what was happening was actually real (even though he should have known all that going into it)? Boo ****ing hoo. If that gives him free reign to be a sociopath then Delores suddenly realizing that her entire life has been a fabrication gives her a LOT more justification for her actions than what William experienced.

As for who is the better actor; I mean, Ed Harris is a legend but I would agree that ERW is doing more difficult work here on the show. She's gone from the naive farmer's daughter to the cold, ruthless rebel leader and the transition has felt flawless. William (Ed Harris' William, that is) has pretty much stayed an evil SOB the entire time. We've had glimpses of humanity from him and he does it all really well but overall, his character has been pretty static.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
I root for her. I root for her, Bernard and Elsie the most. I feel like they have made it clear what she has been through, and what she is burdened with. The Teddy scene was clearly framed as her making a tough choice. It is why she reacts the way she does.

What do you mean you don't think she is sentient? What gives you that impression? She solved the maze and she seems able to see things the others can't. If she is just Wyatt, why the situation with her father?

The show is full of fantastic actors, but if you asked me who was during the best and most difficult job, it would be her. Harris I would argue isn't doing the heavy lifting with William, as much as I love him in the role. That would be Simmons, who garnered the sympathy for the character, through Dolores. This season they have switched roles in that regard.

Also, I adore all these characters, but Maeve is interesting, in that she is basically showing herself the most selfish of the lot. If she is sentient, it is odd she is is so set on her programming. She is also responsible for more unneeded death then even Dolores. And why? Because she wants her "daughter" back?
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I think she is Wyatt in programming but has memories of Dolores persona - therefore she wants to rescue her dad

I'd agree in season 1, but now she is stuck in one mode and there is nothing in her acting that is compelling for me to watch. Who is Simmons?

How is Maeve most selfish? Unlike Dolores she doesn't force other hosts to do anything, she respects their choice. Much like whatever character ERW is playing, Wyatt or Dolores, she remembers her daughter and wants to get back to her


Deck Rickard said:
I also think that Delores is WAY more sympathetic than William/MiB ever was. What's William's great tragedy? That he realized the robot he fell in love with was actually a robot and none of what was happening was actually real (even though he should have known all that going into it)? Boo ****ing hoo. If that gives him free reign to be a sociopath then Delores suddenly realizing that her entire life has been a fabrication gives her a LOT more justification for her actions than what William experienced.

As for who is the better actor; I mean, Ed Harris is a legend but I would agree that ERW is doing more difficult work here on the show. She's gone from the naive farmer's daughter to the cold, ruthless rebel leader and the transition has felt flawless. William (Ed Harris' William, that is) has pretty much stayed an evil SOB the entire time. We've had glimpses of humanity from him and he does it all really well but overall, his character has been pretty static.
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Again, I'm just not getting the vibe from the writing/ERW's acting that Dolores is supposed to be sentient. I really think she still may be Ford's host. There is even a theory now based on the fact much like Ford she was playing the piano last episode. Who knows.

She was doing very difficult work in season 1 but she is so one note now whereas Harris was just given his best scene yet, with Grace.
 
I don’t have any feeling about Dolores this season one way or another. The only thing she’s really done is change Teddy’s programming, otherwise she’s just talked a lot and walked around a bit.
 
Well, she did commandeer an army just to use them as cannon fodder. That's kinda significant.
 
Marvolo said:
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Thank you! This helped a lot. I'm about to start 2x05. Last one best episode in a while.
 
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