Bad Robot/Jonathan Nolan Bringing "Westworld" to HBO - Part 1

The WGA Directory posted the Season 4 writing credits:
  • 4x01: written by Lisa Joy & William Bromell
  • 4x02: written by Matt Pitts & Christina Ham
  • 4x03: written by Kevin Lau & Suzanne Wrubel
  • 4x04: written by Kevin Lau & Suzanne Wrubel
  • 4x05: written by Wes Humphrey & Lisa Joy
  • 4x06: written by Jordan Goldberg & Alli Rock
  • 4x07: written by Desa Larkin-Boutte & Denise Thé
  • 4x08: written by Alison Schapker & Jonathan Nolan
 
So I just watched all 3 seasons of Westworld. I had seen the first season before, and thought it was excellent, but bailed on season 2 after the first episode. Truth be told I felt strongly that this was a classic 'one and done' show where it really said all it needed to in that first run.

Watching it all through, Season 2 is much better than the clunky premiere. Has a couple of really good episodes, especially the one featuring Delos' attempt to cheat death and the Black Mirror style existentional nightmare he's left in. It's a damn messy season though. The big twists at the end of the first season really landed, it felt carefully constructed and complimented the hosts' own experiences as they came to terms with their existence. Season 2's multiple timelines are far more convoluted, contrived and unnecessary. Bernard scrambling his memories feels like an excuse to make the plotline vague, and sadly dooms a pivitol character to spending the entire season just being confused. Characters seem to disappear for long stretches, most notably Maeve's companions who are absent the entire (long) time she spends inanimate and in ruins on a table, randomly reappearing just in time for her to get up and become involved in the story again.

Overall I still enjoyed Season 2 a fair bit, but the finale lacked a lot of the elegance of the previous year's climax. It was the various story-threads collapsing into eachother more than it was this whole thing coming together. It felt kind of sloppy. The worst offender was how William's story was resolved, or more accurately, wasn't. His post credit scene was the first time I really questioned just what the hell the show was doing. If someone can explain it to me, if there's something I missed, I'd genuinely appeciate the help. Cause from what I can see, his last few scenes were kind of nonsense. We see his attempt to shoot Delores (literally) backfire, and then he proceeds to follow Delores and Bernard down the elevator to the Forge. We never see William arrive there, or cross paths with the people he's following, we next see him laid out on a stretcher away from the facility. Then the post-credit scene shows William, bearing the same wounds from before getting off the elevator... but it's presumably in the future, or a simulation, or something? That is twisty to the point of sheer confusion. I hoped it would become clear somewhen during season 3. It didn't.

Speaking of Season 3, I really wanted to like it. It got off to a decent enough start, and I liked Aaron Paul's character, but by the end I found myself not caring about anything. I understand that the story being told had moved beyond 'Westworld', but where did all the characters go? So many gone by this point, and many of the remaining ones are shadows of their former selves. Maeve in particular spent so long reduced to a campy, sword wielding hench(wo)man. I was happy to see Tao Okamoto promoted to regular, but she was barely in it. Many of the familiar faces were elaborate fake-outs, cameos that made me long for the show that used to feature them. The finale problems of season 2 are much worse in season 3. Nothing really comes together. Bernard, William and Tessalores are basically irrelevant to the story by then. And the William post-credit scene this time around is just as bizarre as before, only this time I no longer had faith that it will become something interesting down the line.

The production value and acting is great, and I'll check out season 4 when it drops. I'm curious, but not particularly hopeful.
 
Geeze, I thought the worst part of the show was finally behind us but it looks like Dolores lives on.
 
Kind of dropped off after the end of season 2, then heard some not so good things about season 3. Also, the main fan base has become kind of insufferable and deluded due to not excepting any kind of legitimate criticism to actual flaws, using quotes like, “This world wasn’t made for you”, or saying that it’s too smart and you have to watch it more than once and look closer.

However, watching this trailer kind of has piqued my interest. Is season 3 worth checking out, or did I make the right choice in checking out when I did?
 
Kind of dropped off after the end of season 2, then heard some not so good things about season 3. Also, the main fan base has become kind of insufferable and deluded due to not excepting any kind of legitimate criticism to actual flaws, using quotes like, “This world wasn’t made for you”, or saying that it’s too smart and you have to watch it more than once and look closer.

However, watching this trailer kind of has piqued my interest. Is season 3 worth checking out, or did I make the right choice in checking out when I did?


If you tuned out in the 2nd season, I'd honestly say that was a good stopping point.
 
If you tuned out in the 2nd season, I'd honestly say that was a good stopping point.

Good to know. If I end up hearing any good things about season four, I might jump back in and catch up. Otherwise, I’m not in a super big hurry. Already have a super big backlog of things to catch up on, including new things I am currently watching, and I don’t really have a lot of time for other stuff unless it’s super engaging and worth my time.
 
Just finished rewatching season 3. Amazing how much I forgot... geez.
 
Just watched the first episode of season 4 and it's already a step up from season 3. S3 was pretty forgettable, I can barely remember much of it at all.
Hopefully S4 can maintain the quality of the season premiere.

Still love the opening credits, same music but they change the visuals. Westworld and Arcane have the best opening credits, both music and visuals and I never skip them.
 
Happy to see Teddy back. This series is still just background noise to me and I've given up on it reaching the high that was its first season, but hopefully there'll be more interesting twists like Teddy's reappeareance.
 
I was happy with the opener, and seeing Teddy again. :)
 
So if I’m understanding right… that one guy came after Delores/Christina because the NPC characters she’s creating in the game have similar backstories to real people? Do I have that right?
 
Love seeing Aaron Stanford on tv again albeit briefly (really should watch 12 Monkeys again)
 
So if I’m understanding right… that one guy came after Delores/Christina because the NPC characters she’s creating in the game have similar backstories to real people? Do I have that right?
On that story line I have no clue what's going on. I thought she died so is this all in her mind? Is she in a game? I have no idea......
 
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I'm convinced something happened during the 'war' and Caleb has now been replaced by a host.
 
So if I’m understanding right… that one guy came after Delores/Christina because the NPC characters she’s creating in the game have similar backstories to real people? Do I have that right?

Definitely the vibe I was getting. It's almost like Delores/Christina is somehow the new Rehoboam without knowing it, forecasting peoples lives in the games with her stories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehoboam
 
...first episode I felt like the general audience. I was pretty bored and not feeling anything surrounding the characters or plot. Felt like the badass ending of S3 became a wet fart.
 
Tonight's episode went by so quick. I'm loving all the Ed Harris this season. Maeve and Caleb have fun chemistry.
 

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