Bad Robot/Jonathan Nolan Bringing "Westworld" to HBO

[Sithborg]

We did see the one Host who greeted William in the dancing scene with the first park.

 

[Bruce Malone]

In the world of the show outside the park does "robot sentience" not exist? It seems like conscience robots are something totally usual and dismissed by characters on the show but I have to imagine there are more advanced robots in the in-universe world than ones in an amusement park?

 

[Teelie]

There must be. These are advanced robots to the point they literally are indistinguishable from humans aside from subtle differences. If for nothing else I can see them used for jobs too difficult, stressful or dangerous for humans to do.

 

[Sithborg]

Well, they have mentioned that the park is only the visible part of the company, hinting that there are other applications.

 

[Kaleb]

HBO submits Evan Rachel Wood,Thandie Newton, Anthony Hopkins,Ed Harris,James Marsden,Jimmi Simpson and Jeffrey Wright as nominees for 2017 Golden Globe awards

 

[kvz5]

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Still from an upcoming episode,Is it me or is does this look like a ''younger/cleaner'' version of Lawrence,maybe this is the first time MIB/William met?
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There goes our confirmation after tonight's ep.

 

[Kaleb]

About time Logan got what he deserved.

 

[Kaleb]

Music that took place during that massive orgy scene.

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[Sithborg]

About time Logan got what he deserved.

I'm kind of curious what actually happens when a guest "loses".

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That was a great episode. Glad Lawrence respawned. It was interesting to see Teddy break down. Also interesting in that is more of a software issue than a hardware issue. The biomechanical versions may be cheaper, but I suspect that they may be just as tough if they go on a kill spree.

Which brings up the Ford/MIB talk. Which was just great. Adds some interesting questions about the maze. And some interesting little surprises in the programming. Teddy just grabbing the knife when MIB jokingly threatened Ford was a little freakish.

Dolores going full Terminator was also very freakish. I don't think she is going to be very happy if she accesses all her memories. Though with what the wood cutter revealed, it is an interesting question of whether she is hearing Arnold's echos of coding, or the third party who has satellite uplinks hidden in hosts. Also nice confirmation that the hosts aren't supposed to acknowledge talk of the real world. Which I suspected with that one family that came across her painting.

I am very, very intrigued on where this is all going.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah I've been wondering if Guests can be strangled to death or beat to death and if so what's the point of making the guns incapable of shooting Guests.

Also based on the preview for the weeks ahead Thandie Newton's character is going to tear management a new *******. It looks like a full blown skynet cluster**** is going to rain down on the facility.

 

[harlequinade]

Yeah I've been wondering if Guests can be strangled to death or beat to death and if so what's the point of making the guns incapable of shooting Guests.

Also based on the preview for the weeks ahead Thandie Newton's character is going to tear management a new *******. It looks like a full blown skynet cluster**** is going to rain down on the facility.

You can piece the released footage together and it appears that
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[Sithborg]

It is interesting that VR exists. I like the little tidbits that drop about the real world.

 

[Kaleb]

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So anyone notice the knife in next weeks preview that William pulls out, I think that's the strongest hint MIB=William (unless something happens to William and MIB takes his knife)

 

[The Shape]

This episode seemed to all but confirm that William is the MiB, especially with the role that Lawrence is playing in it all.

 

[squeekness]

Trying to figure out all these time lines and things is hurting my brain.

 

[stillanerd]

Okay, I wasn't quite on board with the whole "Two timelines" and "William is the Man in Black" theory, but after this episode? I think it's definitely more than likely. Not to mention we already know there are definitely events which are out of sequence. Question is what order are they in? I think based on the episodes thus far, it might go something like this:

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The conversations Dolores is having with Bernard? Those are actually conversations Dolores is having with Arnold from 34-35 in the past. Those are scenes in which Arnold, grieving over the loss of his son and disillusioned from his grief, is setting the stage to have Dolores destroy Westworld from within, setting up "the maze" etc. Sometime after this, Arnold commits suicide, but not before uploading his virus into the park system.

The scenes with William and Logan are taking place four to five years after Arnold's death. Westworld is on the verge of bankruptcy, and the company William and Logan work for are on the verge of buying the park. The name of that company? Delos. Of course, this is also 30 years in the past, and leading to "the incident." I'm guessing this involves the eventual death of Logan (who hasn't yet died in this episode). Such a death, of course, would result in a major overhaul of Westworld, and, since Teddy is also a major exec, would prompt Delos buying and overseeing the company.

Thus, after the incident, storylines are readjusted and hosts are reprogrammed. The level of violence the hosts can inflict on guests are also toned down considerably; they can't physically harm the guests in any way (i.e. no punching and choke holds), and bullets which used to knock them down and leave bruises are much weaker. This is also when Ford creates Teddy as means for keeping Dolores on the farm, so that she doesn't break from her loop again.

Sometime in-between those 30 years, Ford also creates Bernard, an android duplicate of Arnold. He does this, in part, because he wants have some insight into Arnold's psyche so as to prevent another incident, but also because he misses his friend and co-founder. It's also an ideal way for Ford to spy on people within the company, especially Theresa.

The "present day" is where we see William as the Man in Black attempting to relocate the maze again. And it's also when the virus has been re-triggered, thanks to Ford's "reveries." Dolores is also starting to remember how she broke from her loop, has done so again, and is re-tracing her steps alone to locate the maze again, while also having flashbacks to the time spent with the younger William.

Again, this is just a working theory, and there's definitely some gaps in this like

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How the church fits into all this

but that's how I'm looking at this thus far.

 

[squeekness]

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Are you sure the MIB is William and not Logan? He acts more like Logan. William seems too nice to turn that ugly later in life.

As for the timelines you suggested that all makes sense to me, thanks.

 

[stillanerd]

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Are you sure the MIB is William and not Logan? He acts more like Logan. William seems too nice to turn that ugly later in life.

As for the timelines you suggested that all makes sense to me, thanks.

You're welcome. But again, it's just a working theory about how those timelines line-up...if we are actually see two separate points of time edited to make it seems as though they' linear, that is.

As for

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MIB being William? If Westworld is akin to MMORPG, and the MIB is the most experienced player whose being playing this "game" for 30 years, then it's natural to think he's become more and more desensitized over time compared to how he first saw the hosts. And it's not like the MIB is entirely evil, either. Remember, MIB is some kind of humanitarian in the real world. Also, I think we're seeing, in this latest episode especially, that William is losing both his naivety and innocence. He's already abandoned Logan, figuring the scumbag deserves what he gets, and he's clearly in love with Dolores. But if this incident happens, and Dolores is reprogrammed as a result, then it's akin to Dolores as William knows her being killed. He may just see her afterwards as someone who looks like her, but no longer the woman he feel in love with. That's bound to make even the most kind person become cynical and callous like the MIB is towards the hosts.

 

[Kaleb]

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looks like the same knife

 

[JtheDreamer]

William and the MIB being the same person is odd to me on just a physical level. Those two actors look absolutely nothing alike.

 

[dark_b]

they dont need to look the same for storytelling purposes IMO.

i think we got to much used with CGI de-aging and fake looking old age prostehtics. Guy Pearce in Prometheus?

 

[JtheDreamer]

they dont need to look the same for storytelling purposes IMO.

i think we got to much used with CGI de-aging and fake looking old age prostehtics. Guy Pearce in Prometheus?

It's just slightly off-putting for me personally. Not to mention they don't even sound anywhere near the same. I wonder if they tried to cast an actor with similar features.

 

[squeekness]

they dont need to look the same for storytelling purposes IMO

This is what I was thinking. I've seen some pretty poor matchups even for siblings, lol.

 

[Marvolo]

I think they resemble each other enough.

On another note, took me a second to realize that Laurence and William had disappeared from the train there at the very end. They were sitting there drinking from the flask and then they were gone. That was pretty weird, and I dont understand why or how that happened?

 

[The Shape]

I think they resemble each other enough.

On another note, took me a second to realize that Laurence and William had disappeared from the train there at the very end. They were sitting there drinking from the flask and then they were gone. That was pretty weird, and I dont understand why or how that happened?

Further evidence of the multiple time period theory, IMO.

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Delores is on the train with William and Lawrence 30 years ago after she strayed from her loop and possibly finds the entrance of the maze, or something relating to Arnold. Something big happened back then, and I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

We then see a flash of her alone on the train (probably in present day) as she retraces the steps she once took (outside of her loop again) with William and Lawrence to find the entrance of the maze or Arnold or whatever it was she once found, after being called on or re-awakened again to do so.

Whatever the truth is, the show has been fairly explicit in suggesting or explaining that this is not the first time that Dolores has strayed from her designated loop, or experienced the kind of "awakening" that she is currently having.