The Dark Knight Bale's rendition; what should stay and what should go?

Octoberist said:
how about this: Bale's voice should be more consistent. I tolerated Bale's BatVoice and it worked fine. But I did notice how it would change, from his scene with Rachel at the train station, to his scene with Gordon at the end of the movie.

If it's more consistent, then i'll be fine. I'm surprised that Bale didn't redub some of the scenes.

Well its only natural that Batman's voice would change early in Batman's career. I would prefer it to be more consistent in the later movies however.
 
What would you like to see stay in his performance? martial arts/ sword fighting

What could he improve on? martial arts/ sword fighting

What do you feel he should get rid of? the porn star voice

What should he add? He should play Batman darker, less Superman, more Punisher.

After seeing his performance do you trust him with taking liberties in the role as much as you trust Nolan if you liked BB? ablibing is required

I want the suit to have a square jaw line, their suit in Begins was round like Batgirls suit. Also I want to see at least one suit used in the movie that is made of the memory material rather than bulky armor.
 
thorstone said:
What would you like to see stay in his performance? martial arts/ sword fighting

What could he improve on? martial arts/ sword fighting

What do you feel he should get rid of? the porn star voice

What should he add? He should play Batman darker, less Superman, more Punisher.

After seeing his performance do you trust him with taking liberties in the role as much as you trust Nolan if you liked BB? ablibing is required

I want the suit to have a square jaw line, their suit in Begins was round like Batgirls suit. Also I want to see at least one suit used in the movie that is made of the memory material rather than bulky armor.

wow...just.....wow....
 
thorstone said:
What would you like to see stay in his performance? martial arts/ sword fighting

What could he improve on? martial arts/ sword fighting

What do you feel he should get rid of? the porn star voice

What should he add? He should play Batman darker, less Superman, more Punisher.

After seeing his performance do you trust him with taking liberties in the role as much as you trust Nolan if you liked BB? ablibing is required

I want the suit to have a square jaw line, their suit in Begins was round like Batgirls suit. Also I want to see at least one suit used in the movie that is made of the memory material rather than bulky armor.

Sounds like we have a Frank Miller fan.
 
StorminNorman said:
Please reread what I say.

"Shouldn't Batman SOUND like an animal over a man in control"

I know what you meant, I was being an idiot :O

But Bale's voice just seemed so forced, and sometimes made me cringe. Maybe he could tone it down a bit... I don't know. Batman kicks ass, so that's all that matters :)
 
I wasnt a big fan of the Keaton whisper.
When I read the comics and see Batman with his top and bottom teeth showing while he talks Im just not thinkin' whispers.
 
If people in the comics actually question whether Batman is an animal or human, I think the comic Batman would sound very similar to Bale.
 
I liked just about everything in his rendition...I do think we need to see more of Bruce Wayne at social gatherings and events...and his professional tone while in Wayne tower with the board of directors or doing walkthroughs and meeting with important buisness associates...stuff like that...a little more of Wayne mingling.
 
Batty Belfry said:
Yes! The interrogation scenes, first with Flass then Crane had me sitting in my seat going $&*! Yeah! This was the predatorial and slightly unhinged Batman I always wanted up on the screen. I think Bale understands the character insanely well. I don't think he should change anything.

I agree. Bale is a fine actor and was great as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. I can't really see anybody else playing the role, and Bale should not change a thing. His only challenge is to duplicate the same role he portrayed in the first movie.
 
StorminNorman said:
Please reread what I say.

"Shouldn't Batman SOUND like an animal over a man in control"
Is a man in control that is beating you within an inch of your life any less intimidating than one who seems out of control? Would Flass have been any less freaked-out as he dangled from twenty stories up had Bale whispered to him? For all of Bale's animalistic pretense, how many people in Begins actually mistook Batman for anything other than human? Or as Loeb put it… “some ***hole in a costume
 
I prefer my Batman authoritative, not out-of-control. There's a difference between the two.
 
I don't want him to just duplicate his performance in Begins. If he does that, he'll just sleepwalk through the whole franchise playing Bats the same way. Don't get me wrong, I think he nailed it, but with a character like Batman, you can play the part so many ways.
 
BatScot said:
Is a man in control that is beating you within an inch of your life any less intimidating than one who seems out of control? Would Flass have been any less freaked-out as he dangled from twenty stories up had Bale whispered to him? For all of Bale's animalistic pretense, how many people in Begins actually mistook Batman for anything other than human? Or as Loeb put it… “some ***hole in a costume

...Seems like Scarecrows men did...
 
I Am The Knight said:
I don't want him to just duplicate his performance in Begins. If he does that, he'll just sleepwalk through the whole franchise playing Bats the same way. Don't get me wrong, I think he nailed it, but with a character like Batman, you can play the part so many ways.

Come on, do you really think Bale would sleepwalk through anything? Hell, I have no doubt that Bale actually sleepwalking is acting gold anyway.
 
StorminNorman said:
Come on, do you really think Bale would sleepwalk through anything? Hell, I have no doubt that Bale actually sleepwalking is acting gold anyway.

He was good even as a kid, and I've yet to see him acting poorly so yeah, he's great. I'm curious as to where he'll take the character in the sequel, but of course that will depend on the screenplay mostly. Can't wait!
 
It would have been the saving grace of those films, but they were too utter horrible (B&R mostly, Forever is watchable from time to time) so that would have been weird....
 
See...I think Batman Forever is the one that not even Bale could of saved.

Ironically enough he tried out for Robin :)
 
I know, I always found that too freaky, but anyways, he landed the perfect role several years later.....
 
Just think how horrible it would of been for Bale to be wasted on BF and BR :(
 
''Hi Freeze, I'm Batman''. Geez. Bale would have never done Batman like that for sure....
 
Honestly I thought Bale was perfect. My issues with the movie have nothing to do with him. I didn't like the love intrest with a uninteresting charecter that wasn't in the comics Bruce/Batman had plenty of love intrests that they could of used if they really had to do the damn love story.I have a few problems with the suit but I can deal with it my biggest problem has and will always be the Batmobile I hated it.
 
I think that the 'romance' between Bruce and Rachel worked because it was downplayed. It wasn't mushy. It was done alright where I accepted as is.
 
There were things I would like to see added to Bale's performance in the sequels, and perhaps a thing or two I would like to see marginalized, but nothing I would outright remove.

However, these changes are not because I felt Bale's Batman was lacking--quite the opposite. Bale portrayed an excellent version of a young Batman. He was raw, emotional, explosive, and even a little naive--very much like Batman in his first year. However, accepted Batman history shows the Dark Knight going through a character arc that brings him down from the righteous, emotional enforcer we saw in Begins to a very tragic figure that we've seen in comics since the death of Jason Todd, and then (very recently) back to a sort of middle-ground.

It's really a matter of his view of the world. In his early career, as in Begins, he really believes he can save Gotham and vanquish evil. It affects his manner--everything he does is very excited and forceful, because he's pushing towards this goal. Later in his career, though, Batman loses hope. He becomes less naive and begins to realize that his quest will never be complete; evil will always be there. He still does his job, because he knows it to be right--but he knows he can never win.

This worldview gave rise to changes in Batman that were well represented in Keaton's portrayl. He becomes calmer and more collected, because now he's in no hurry. He becomes quiet and methodical and genuinely darker. He's less enthusiastic, he's literally lost all hope.

These elements we saw for the past decade in the comics and in Keaton's portrayl are what I would like to see incorporated into Bale's portrayl. Obviously Batman will always be prone to explosive anger, but I would love to see it hidden behind a calmer, more methodical exterior. The kind of Batman who whispers and stands in the shadows, who strikes with maximum impact but minimum effort. I don't htink seeing this character arc is a pipe-dream; we saw a similar one in Begins. In the film--in the scene on the plane, specifically--Bruce speaks about being Batman as if it will be a limited engagement. He says he will stay in Gotham only as long as he needs to. He believes he can be Batman, save the city, and leave. By the end of the film, this has changed and Bruce knows Gotham is where he belongs, where he will always be. He tells Ra's this very plainly. He knows he'll always be Batman.

What I saw in Begins, even after he put on the mask, was the gradual birth of Batman. Aside from the character arc I just mentioned, there is another subplot about Bruce's motivations--Bruce slowly comes to learn that he can't be Batman for himself. This attitude is finally reflected when he says to Gordon that he needs no thanks. Indeed, the true Batman is not seen till the very end of the film, where appropriately the title is finally shown; Batman has just then begun.

So, following from this I expect equally significant progress in Batman II. Specifrically, to the darker, tragic Batman I spoke of above.

After this stage, Batman in the comics has recently come back from this slump. We also saw this stage in The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman's hope is somewhat revived and he returns with a new zeal for his mission. This stage I would like to see in the third film.

It's a maturing process. In Begins we saw the young, enthusiastic Batman. In Batman II, I'll be looking for the reserved Batman, and in the third a middle ground, the final, mature Batman who has come to know that hope is a necessary component to his mission. I think the death of Rachel would effectively begin stage 2, but I haven't given much thought to what might begins stage 3. Robin, perhaps--of course, Robin would only exist in a support capacity (survelliance, computer and detectve work) rather than as a real sidekick. He would, of course, have to be no younger than sixteen and no older than seventeen. I think Robin COULD work, but only if used very carefully. It might be safer to avoid him entirely, but I think it would be unfortunate to miss him.
 

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