The Dark Knight Rises Bane

[RustyCage]

Haha, not exactly Two-Clay or anything. But they couldn't get the rights to Two-Face or Harvey Dent. So they gave Bruce a cop friend who was basically a less powerful black Harvey Dent. He became Clayface. I liked this character better than the Clayface on The Animated Series, I loved that one as well though.

..Hm. I'll look into it.

 

[MILPERSMAN]

In the first movie we have Ra’s al Ghul in a business suit and scarecrow in a business suit who only dons his mask a few times. The only one who had a taste for the theateractical was Batman. Who dresses like A bat with High tech toys only seen in a James bond movies. Batman had a racing tank that flies on rooftops. A guy dresses like a bat clearly has issues.

In the second movie we had a theateractical Joker who had a glass smile that he put lipstick on and paint his face white like a clown. He dresses in purple and one scene he dress as a nurse and in one scene a ceremony police uniform. He was highly unpredictable and he laughs at his near death experience at the end of the movie.

Now people expect the third movie to have Hugo strange who dresses up as a doctor and talla who looks like a Middle Eastern, or European women in a nice dress.

We need someone who stands out and That is Bane.
Black Mask is perfect because of his society of falce Facers. It gives us a reson to have Catwomen. He could also Hire a bunch of mercenarys to hunt the Batman down. He would also pay the mercanreys to don masks to his fitting and tastes. This gives us a reson for high profile mercenarys like Bane, Dead Shot, and Deathstroke to lool like they did in the comics.

 

[Spike_x1]

In the first movie we have Ra’s al Ghul in a business suit and scarecrow in a business suit who only dons his mask a few times. The only one who had a taste for the theateractical was Batman. Who dresses like A bat with High tech toys only seen in a James bond movies. Batman had a racing tank that flies on rooftops. A guy dresses like a bat clearly has issues.

In the second movie we had a theateractical Joker who had a glass smile that he put lipstick on and paint his face white like a clown. He dresses in purple and one scene he dress as a nurse and in one scene a ceremony police uniform. He was highly unpredictable and he laughs at his near death experience at the end of the movie.

Now people expect the third movie to have Hugo strange who dresses up as a doctor and talla who looks like a Middle Eastern, or European women in a nice dress.

We need someone who stands out and That is Bane.
Black Mask is perfect because of his society of falce Facers. It gives us a reson to have Catwomen. He could also Hire a bunch of mercenarys to hunt the Batman down. He would also pay the mercanreys to don masks to his fitting and tastes. This gives us a reson for high profile mercenarys like Bane, Dead Shot, and Deathstroke to lool like they did in the comics.

This has nothing to do with Bane, but really just something I've been curious about for a while. I always wonder why I see people bringing up Deathstroke's name on lists of villains they want in a Batman movie. Don't get me wrong, I like Slade's character just fine, but he's not a member of Batman's rogues gallery (neither is Deadshot, really, whose name I also see tossed around a lot. But at least Floyd has the benefit of getting his start in Batman comics, even if he's moved on since those days, so there's at least some basis for wanting Lawton in a Bat movie). Wouldn't people rather see Batman fighting one of his own villains, rather than stealing someone who is primarily a Teen Titans badguy?

Not trying to be antagonistic here, just honestly curious about this.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

This has nothing to do with Bane, but really just something I've been curious about for a while. I always wonder why I see people bringing up Deathstroke's name on lists of villains they want in a Batman movie. Don't get me wrong, I like Slade's character just fine, but he's not a member of Batman's rogues gallery (neither is Deadshot, really, whose name I also see tossed around a lot, but at least Floyd has the benefit of at least getting his start in Batman comics, even if he's moved on since those days, so there's at least some basis for wanting Lawton in a Bat movie). Wouldn't people rather see Batman fighting one of his own villains, rather than stealing someone who is primarily a Teen Titans badguy?
Not trying to be antagonistic here, just honestly curious about this.

Well, there was a Deathstroke figure in the Dark Knight action figure line, so that might have something to do with it, as far as him being associated with Batman/the series.

 

[Changeling]

Yeah i agree. Just save Deathstroke for the eventual TT movie and Deadshot for a Suicide Squad movie. Neither have any place in a Batman film imo... there are so many Batman rogues gallery characters to choose from... those guys arent even primarily Batman villains

 

[The Guard]

Deadshot most certainly is.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Yeah, Deadshot is definitely a Batman rogue. Sure, he joined Suicide Squad and got a life of his own, but so did Captain Boomerang and he's still a Flash rogue. Hell, so did Bane (well, Secret Six).

Introduced in Batman / numerous appearances in Batman throughout the decades from introduction through present = Batman rogue

 

[Spike_x1]

Yes, Floyd was introduced in Batman comics, but he's evolved into a villain for the entire DCU overall (and I say "villain" loosely, since it really depends on the given circumstance for him), and he's been that way for a long time now. He's fought Batman about as many times as he's fought any other member of the Justice League, so he might as well join, say, the ranks of Superman's rogues gallery too.

He has no ill feelings towards any hero in particular (yeah, he did have a grudge against Bats a looooong time ago, but Deadshot quickly moved on and outgrew that original mold to become the character we know today) and there are no strings tying him down to being labeled as a Bat villain, other than the simple fact that he premiered in one of Batman's books. It's even been shown that Floyd pulls his shots around Batman because he respects Batman and does not want to kill him.

No ill will towards Batman and actively tries not to kill the hero? Doesn't sound like a member of Batman's rogues gallery to me.

You could probably even make a serious argument that he's more deserving of being a Green Arrow character than a Batman villain, especially after his 2nd miniseries and shenanigans in Star City.

 

[Changeling]

I always thought that The Batman's Clayface was a pretty kickass character.

 

[The Guard]

So basically he's a good enough character to give the DCU a run for their money, both heroes and villains.

Noted.

All the more reason to use this villain who originated as a Batman villain in a Batman film.

 

[Spike_x1]

Nice rebuttal, but I'll stick with characters who actually want to harm Batman and/or have a grudge against him. You know those kinds of people I'm talking about, right? Oh yeah, they're commonly called Batman's rogues gallery. Unless you're talking about seriously altering his character and motivations, Deadshot does not want to hurt Batman and has nothing at all against the hero, therefore he is not a Batman villain.

In fact, he wants Batman to live and keep making the world a safer place.

I'm really trying to understand this point of view, but nobody has actually given a reason for why Lawton should be considered a Bat rogue beyond the fact that he got his start in a Batman book. Where a character premiered doesn't necessarily have any bearing whatsoever on their development and where they end up in the grand scheme of things. I mean, just like the Deadshot/Batman scenario, Sabretooth got his start in Iron Fist, but he's considered a Wolverine villain. If there was an Iron Fist movie in development, would people really be suggesting Victor Creed as a villain for it? Or would people know that Sabretooth should stick to the X-Men corner of the movie universe where he can work to his greatest potential as a character?

Give Deadshot his own film or a Suicide Squad movie (he has more than enough depth to carry both). Those are the areas that allow him to grow as a character while being accurate to who he is at his core. Give the Batman movie to the Batman characters.

 

[The Joker]

I have to admit I enjoyed their take on The Penguin.

 

[ironwez20]

Thank you. Of all the batman rogues why would they pick deadshot. If he is in the film i would be disapointed that they picked him over the riddler.

 

[The Guard]

Nice rebuttal, but I'll stick with characters who actually want to harm Batman and/or have a grudge against him. You know those kinds of people I'm talking about, right?

"Professional assassins"?

Oh yeah, they're commonly called Batman's rogues gallery. Unless you're talking about seriously altering his character and motivations, Deadshot does not want to hurt Batman and has nothing at all against the hero, therefore he is not a Batman villain.

In fact, he wants Batman to live and keep making the world a safer place

This really seems like splitting hairs to me.

Deadshot does not want to hurt Batman now.

Just like Batman currently works with Robin, Nightwing, Bat-Girl, and any number of other vigilante allies.

You seem to just ignore the fact that, when he was first created, Deadshot very much wanted Batman dead. For something like 50 years, he was portrayed as a villain. And Deadshot is an assassin, is he not? Or...was.

I'm really trying to understand this point of view, but nobody has actually given a reason for why Lawton should be considered a Bat rogue beyond the fact that he got his start in a Batman book.

Because traditionally, he's been a Batman villain.

Seems pretty obvious.

Lately, no. But traditionally, he is.

I wouldn't object to seeing him elsewhere, either, because's he's a fantastic character. He worked well on Justice League animated, and Kevin Smith utilized him for his SUPERMAN LIVES script. Heck, Deadshot was even featured in GOTHAM KNIGHT.

Where a character premiered doesn't necessarily have any bearing whatsoever on their development and where they end up in the grand scheme of things.

But it doesn't necessarily not not have any bearing on it either.

No one's arguing that he can't be more than a one dimensional killing machine.

I mean, just like the Deadshot/Batman scenario, Sabretooth got his start in Iron Fist, but he's considered a Wolverine villain. If there was an Iron Fist movie in development, would people really be suggesting Victor Creed as a villain for it?

No. Because traditionally, he has been an X-Men and Wolverine villain.

Or would people know that Sabretooth should stick to the X-Men corner of the movie universe where he can work to his greatest potential as a character?

I would imagine that people who care what Sabertooth "is" know that he works best both as an X-Men villain and a Wolverine villain, but that his character has a wide range of potential.

Give Deadshot his own film or a Suicide Squad movie (he has more than enough depth to carry both). Those are the areas that allow him to grow as a character while being accurate to who he is at his core. Give the Batman movie to the Batman characters.

I don't really see why both couldn't happen at some point.

 

[Dark Knight]

Deadshot or Bane will in this next film.

The signs point to it.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Deadshot has been featured in Batman titles about 20 times by my count, versus a handful of times against the Justice League and maybe twice against Superman.

Is this really an issue? Yeah, he's expanded beyond Batman. Yeah, in current continuity, they don't fight as much. But when you're considering who is and who isn't in someone's rogues gallery, you take an overall view. It's not a matter of "they hate each other now" - things change all the time in comics. Hell, Bane and Batman made nicey nice for a while, but it didn't get Bane kicked out of the gallery.

Catwoman hasn't been in direct conflict with Batman for the better part of twenty years; she's more of a Bat-family member now than anything, but she's still considered part of the gallery.

He was introduced in Batman. He's fought him more than any other hero. He's been in one his animated movies, he's been in one of his video games. He's got two pages devoted to him in the Batman Encyclopedia.

Do I think he should be picked over a more prominent member of Batman's rogues? I don't know, depends on the story Nolan wants to tell. And if he chose to use Deadshot, there'd be more than enough justification for it. It's not like he's Silver Banshee or Atomic Skull, for Jiminy Crickets.

It would make sense, especially if Nolan also uses Strange. One of Deadshot's most famous and memorable moments is during Strange Apparitions.

 

[Galactus123]

I hope that Bane will be the other villian. He should look like this:

 

[Spike_x1]

Deadshot has been featured in Batman titles about 20 times by my count, versus a handful of times against the Justice League and maybe twice against Superman.

Yes, he's appeared plenty of times in Batman's books. They've even fought on a handful of occasions, but how many times has Lawton actually tried to kill Batman? Answer: surprisingly few. Like I said before: during the instances where they've directly fought, he almost always pulls his shots around Batman.

Is this really an issue? Yeah, he's expanded beyond Batman. Yeah, in current continuity, they don't fight as much. But when you're considering who is and who isn't in someone's rogues gallery, you take an overall view. It's not a matter of "they hate each other now" - things change all the time in comics.

Deadshot hasn't really changed his stance on this since as far back as the mid 80's by my count, and that was still relatively fresh after he was brought back in Strange Apparitions, after his initial origin story. The vaaaaast majority of his criminal career (and almost all of his development as a character) since that time has had nothing to do with Batman, hence why I don't think he should be consider a Bat rogue.

So, no, despite what The Guard wrote above, Deadshot is not "traditionally" a Batman villain. "Traditionally," Floyd is independent of Batman's corner of the DCU. It's only when he deviates from the norm that he comes into conflict with Batman.

Hell, Bane and Batman made nicey nice for a while, but it didn't get Bane kicked out of the gallery.

The difference is that Bane spent over half the years since his debut trying to kill or cripple Batman (and the fact that those stories were big epic events). If he and Bats are still on good terms in the comics twenty years from now, and he makes leaps and bounds as a character outside of any stories relating at all to Batman, then I wouldn't count him as a Bat villain either.

Catwoman hasn't been in direct conflict with Batman for the better part of twenty years; she's more of a Bat-family member now than anything, but she's still considered part of the gallery.

Not by me. If she were in a movie, then yeah, show her stealing stuff. But we then get a better look at her character and motivations as the movie unfolds and we see that she doesn't want to kill Batman either, assuming that we want them to stay true to the character. Just like Mr. Lawton.

He was introduced in Batman.

Inconsequential.

He's fought him more than any other hero.

Might be relevant if I were arguing that Deadshot was a Flash villain.

He's been in one his animated movies, he's been in one of his video games.

If Gorilla Grodd appeared in a Batman movie and videogame, would people think he was a Bat rogue?

He's got two pages devoted to him in the Batman Encyclopedia.

You might actually have something there, depending on how much of his entry relates to confrontations with Batman and emphasis on his relationship to the hero.

Do I think he should be picked over a more prominent member of Batman's rogues? I don't know, depends on the story Nolan wants to tell. And if he chose to use Deadshot, there'd be more than enough justification for it. It's not like he's Silver Banshee or Atomic Skull, for Jiminy Crickets.

It would make sense, especially if Nolan also uses Strange. One of Deadshot's most famous and memorable moments is during Strange Apparitions.

Alright. Stepping back and looking and at this from a practical standpoint of how Deadshot could play out in a feature length movie while still being true to the character.

Let's say Deadshot is set to appear in the next Batman movie. Cool? Okay, so how do you explain why Floyd (a man with nigh-perfect aim) never shoots Batman in the head 0.5 seconds into the fight? The Gotham Knight movie never explained it, which reduced Deadshot to just another guy with guns vs. Batman and took away his entire gimmick as a character. And in the heat of the moment when you're watching that movie, you might even let the lapse in his abilities slide, since it was a brief fight in a brief movie and the creators don't take time to let the audience think about it.

But how do they do it in a 2 hour movie, where events like that are naturally decompressed and reflected on? Let's say that Strange hires Floyd to kill Batman. What does Lawton say when Hugo asks him why he doesn't just shoot Bats in the face? Either Deadshot doesn't want Batman dead (immediately de-fanging him as a threat to Batman), or he actually is trying to kill Batman, but still keeps missing his shots. Now if Deadshot unintentionally misses his shots, what's the difference between him and just another crook with a gun?

 

[ChinoXL]

I guess bane can be introduced hypothetically speaking as another trained student at the same time who went the opposite corrupt path but that is so typical..i'd still love to see a correctly done BANE

 

[RustyCage]

I hope that Bane will be the other villian. He should look like this:

I sincerely doubt he would, and wouldn't want him to.

 

[ChinoXL]

I don't mind if they change his look and keep one signature symbol of his old costume but he definitely should not look anything like he does in the comic

 

[RustyCage]

I don't mind if they change his look and keep one signature symbol of his old costume but he definitely should not look anything like he does in the comic

Yeah, that's what I had in mind. I think the mask is important for that reason. Just, ugh, nothing like the B&R version of it.

 

[Nathan]

Bane just doesn't really wear much though. I'd give him combat boots and pants and either a wifebeater or any other random, sleeveless shirt.

 

[RustyCage]

Bane just doesn't really wear much though. I'd give him combat boots and pants and either a wifebeater or any other random, sleeveless shirt.

I'm sure Nolan would go for a more functional Bane.

 

[returntovoid]

Why don't they merge Bane into Deadshot???