The Dark Knight Rises Bane

[Nathan]

Joker still has a white face. Dent is still scarred. Why would they suddenly change it up with Bane?

The circumstances might have been different from the comics, but the characters still looked like they were supposed to look.

 

[Majik1387]

I hate hearing all this no mask nonsense when V for Vendetta should have put that lame reasoning to rest

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Joker still has a white face. Dent is still scarred. Why would they suddenly change it up with Bane?

The circumstances might have been different from the comics, but the characters still looked like they were supposed to look.

Because of how little Nolan got Murphy to actually wear the scarecrow mask, he seldom had it on throughout the movie.

 

[regwec]

Right, so it would have been much more logical to have a scarecrow mask tattooed onto his face?

 

[Majik1387]

That's because the majority of screen time that Murphy had, he was being Jonathan Crane, not Scarecrow. Should he have been wearing the burlap sack in the courtroom and giving Rachel the tour of Arkham?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I know this is from a few pages back, but it was below my post so...

It's kinda weird because in America, I think race is a bigger topic than any other country out there due to our history; everything unfolded in the worlds eyes because we're such a young country. I could be wrong too, because in some of smaller countries (possibly third world with genocides), it happens (like in countries in South Africa).

But like what you said, I've met people from Argentina who had blond hair and blue eyes.

I live in Bangladesh, and even though we don't have the same kind of problems as South Africa, I admit, racism is still present. But what's more apparent around here are discrimination surrounding religion, even though we're officially a secular nation. But that's describing only some of the population, it's not as big a topic as it is in the U.S. or elsewhere. Oh well, just thought I'd share.

But more to the point, it's not Bane's race that's important. It's where he grew up, and it's scarier than Arkham Asylum. Well okay maybe not, but it's close. And real. That's what they need to focus on.

America is not homogeneous. I have a friend who studied in mainland China and their population is homogeneous to the point where if you don't look Asian, people will stare at you while you walk down the street as they did her (imagine a 5"10 athletic brunette from the midwest).

Plus, we're all inherently xenophobic anyway which I suspect is an evolutionary trait. History is full of examples of one race/population trying to eradicate another race/population.

In today's politically correct world, this xenophobia translates into heightened racial awareness and the tumultuous issues that creates.

I agree with almost everything you said here, except that bit about xenophobia being inherent. It's not. It's as much a cultural construct as anything else.

Back to Bane breaking the Bat - I don't think I want another movie where Bruce reconstructs his 'symbol', goes through another training session yadda yadda. It's too much Begins.

 

[Saint]

I think he may be more interested in a chaotic dog-eat-dog scenario in which he can be the strongest figure amongst all the anarchy.

You may have hit the nail on the head right there.

Also, this:

Then there was the time he ridiculed Catman for comparing himself to Batman. "You are his pale brown shadow," he says. I enjoyed that, haha. The truth about Bane is that he wishes he were the kind of man that Batman is. I think he may even wish he had that kind of moral integrity, but he doesn't. He's too concerned with himself to become that sort of person.

There was another Secret Six issue that illustrated that point well; Bane is given venom for the first time in years in order to save his life, as a result he rages out of control, losing his mind, breaking supervillains over his knee and screaming about how "You all forgot who I am! I broke the Bat!" At the end of the day, whatever integrity and honour he may have, his need to prove himself makes him capable of some pretty evil stuff.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

@ Majik - Just noticed ur sig, a fellow Agent of Cracked

 

[Saint]

That's because the majority of screen time that Murphy had, he was being Jonathan Crane, not Scarecrow. Should he have been wearing the burlap sack in the courtroom and giving Rachel the tour of Arkham?

Important truth.

 

[regwec]

Personally, I think I could get on with Bane quite well. He's a bit like Ra's al Ghul in that regard- a bastard, but not a bad fellow by the same token.

 

[Timstuff]

According to some people, this is what the "Nolanized" Batman would look like. That is if, the real Christopher Nolan was the same thing as the internet version, and if they actually knew what "realism" meant:

 

[Micah12345]

According to some people, this is what the "Nolanized" Batman would look like. That is if, the real Christopher Nolan was the same thing as the internet version, and if they actually knew what "realism" meant:

lol so true

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Right, so it would have been much more logical to have a scarecrow mask tattooed onto his face?

Thats not what i'm sating at all, i'm saying the tattoo aspect merely as a idea i had of how Bane might be portrayed (from his prison background). I personally dont think He will wear the comic accurate mask. Thats my opinion.

That's because the majority of screen time that Murphy had, he was being Jonathan Crane, not Scarecrow. Should he have been wearing the burlap sack in the courtroom and giving Rachel the tour of Arkham?

Did you see the scene Just before demon Batman arrives, Crane is scarecrow, crane removes mask, crane is scarecrow, crane removes mask. He does not keep it on continuely for one whole scarecrow scene (except when he's on horse back)

 

[Nave 'Torment']

@ Saint, love how they used the pound graphic to totally ruin the scene there - isn't that something the letterer should've been concerned with? The dude just friggin ripped his arms off and is beating him with it like he was on SAW or something, and the letter feels WHAM to be the best onomatopoeia. Good job.

 

[Saint]

Personally, I think I could get on with Bane quite well. He's a bit like Ra's al Ghul in that regard- a bastard, but not a bad fellow by the same token.

Like Ra's, he possesses ridiculous charisma and a motivation that seems less petty than "I want money!" I think it boils down to ego for both men, which of course is pretty petty, but they're like politicians; they're fantastic at dressing it up. They're on message all the time.

 

[Saint]

@ Saint, love how they used the pound graphic to totally ruin the scene there - isn't that something the letterer should've been concerned with? The dude just friggin ripped his arms off and is beating him with it like he was on SAW or something, and the letter feels WHAM to be the best onomatopoeia. Good job.

Well, Secret Six usually aims to play up the humour, so that was probably the goal there.

 

[regwec]

According to some people, this is what the "Nolanized" Batman would look like. That is if, the real Christopher Nolan was the same thing as the internet version, and if they actually knew what "realism" meant:

According to some people. that look is so downright "realistic" that it should be sported by all movie characters, including extras. Movie postmen, young mothers, schoolteachers, talk show hosts, and pole dancers should all be wearing kevlar and ceramic plated helmets. Because that's what people do in real life.

Real life. I hate to seem unkind (really), but a psychologist would have a field day with assessing comic-book-and-internet-users-who-may-fear-real-life-and-think-everyone-should-wear-body-armour.

 

[Majik1387]

@ Majik - Just noticed ur sig, a fellow Agent of Cracked

Important truth.

According to some people, this is what the "Nolanized" Batman would look like. That is if, the real Christopher Nolan was the same thing as the internet version, and if they actually knew what "realism" meant:

Did you see the scene Just before demon Batman arrives, Crane is scarecrow, crane removes mask, crane is scarecrow, crane removes mask. He does not keep it on continuely for one whole scarecrow scene (except when he's on horse back)

I'll have to rewatch that scene again to see what you're talking about.

 

[Saint]

According to some people, this is what the "Nolanized" Batman would look like. That is if, the real Christopher Nolan was the same thing as the internet version, and if they actually knew what "realism" meant:

Except Christiopher Nolan would not want Batman to wear a helmet. That's why Batman doesn't wear a mask in The Dark Knight--and when he does wear a mask, he's always taking it off so we can see his face. Remember in the interrogation scene? Batman takes his mask off like six times.

In all seriousness, I suppose it's entirely possible that Bane's mask may be absent or rarely used. Given the way these movies have played out, though, I would expect it to be used the same way the Scarecrow's mask was used, and the same way Batman's mask is used: intelligently. He'll wear it when it makes sense, and won't wear it when it doesn't. He's not going to wear it sitting around the house, the same way Batman doesn't wear it when he's standing around in the cave or the bunker. When he's out on the streets, though, that's a different case entirely.

 

[namtaB]

I agree with almost everything you said here, except that bit about xenophobia being inherent. It's not. It's as much a cultural construct as anything else.

I agree that its a cultural issue, however, I think its rooted in competitive evolutionary behavior. I should have been clearer in defining what I meant.

The reason I say this is b/c every age has had civilizations try to eradicate one another largely due to competition. This is occurring right now b/w Israel and Palestine.

If anthropologists are to be believed this goes back even further to homo sapiens wiping out neanderthals.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I think the "Bane won't wear a mask" argument will turn out like the "Joker won't wear purple" and "Two-Face will only have subtle scars" arguments. Or, at least, I hope that will be the case.

It's completely absurd. It's the third movie, and people still persist with their notion of what Nolan does instead of what actually ended up on the screen.

Scarecrow wore a mask. He wasn't "Scarecrow" till the third act, but when he "became" Scarecrow, he went out to terrorize wearing his "costume". That carried through to TDK, in which he is a full-fledged masked villain. He walks, talks, and does his business wearing the mask. So will Bane.

The characters in Nolan's Batman movies keep their costumes on more than the characters in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man movies, heh.

 

[ronny]

I know we don't like the idea of tattoos on Bane's face, but do you think he may have some prison tattoos on his body? I hear that all the prison gangs have these various symbols that indicate how many people they've killed or their rank in the jail heirarchy. I could imagine Nolan giving him some stuff like that.
Nothing on the level of Chopper Read or Max Cady, but enough to add to his mystique.

His luchador mask, prison tats and various other things could tell us a lot about his background without the need for a long origin scene or something. I said before that his costume should follow the same kind of logic as Boba Fett's from Star Wars and I stick by that. If it looks kind of mismatched, with different little elements indicating his travels and skills, he could look very unique indeed.

This guy travelled the world, learned several languages, is perhaps the second or third best hand-to-hand guy in the world (Between or behind Ras and Batman). I think someone like Bane would want something to show for these experiences.

Plus, it just makes him more imposing when you see that he's been around and is well travelled, he's almost like a gunfighter to arrives in town to take on the sheriff. Someone mysterious, mean and bloody frightening.

 

[-Arya-]

Well having tattoos on his body is perfectly fine with me and I'm sure Bat-fans will allow Nolan to have some margin of freedom with the character in that respect. I hope anyway....

 

[revolucion]

What if Bane in this movie wears a mechanical suit/ exoskeleton that greatly enhances his strength rather than using the venom plot? Would that be better in regards to realism or would you guys prefer to see him use venom to get jacked?

 

[Saint]

I know we don't like the idea of tattoos on Bane's face, but do you think he may have some prison tattoos on his body? I hear that all the prison gangs have these various symbols that indicate how many people they've killed or their rank in the jail heirarchy. I could imagine Nolan giving him some stuff like that.
Nothing on the level of Chopper Read or Max Cady, but enough to add to his mystique.

Bane's not the type to run with a gang (unless he's the leader, ha), so I think gang tattoos should be out. If he has other tattoos, well, I guess that would be fine, but it doesn't really speak to me. Would he care about that sort of thing?

His luchador mask, prison tats and various other things could tell us a lot about his background without the need for a long origin scene or something. I said before that his costume should follow the same kind of logic as Boba Fett's from Star Wars and I stick by that. If it looks kind of mismatched, with different little elements indicating his travels and skills, he could look very unique indeed.

This guy travelled the world, learned several languages, is perhaps the second or third best hand-to-hand guy in the world (Between or behind Ras and Batman). I think someone like Bane would want something to show for these experiences.

Plus, it just makes him more imposing when you see that he's been around and is well travelled, he's almost like a gunfighter to arrives in town to take on the sheriff. Someone mysterious, mean and bloody frightening.

That's an interesting approach, yeah.