Batman - a Vertigo character at heart.

[Shawkur]

If we are going talk about scenarios that will never happen, maybe he should be part of the Marvel Universe.

 

[Kurosawa]

Batman is flexible enough as is. There's no Batman story that you would need a Vertigo imprint to tell.

 

[Drz]

Batman: Europa might be another very grounded Batman story, since its about Batman needing Joker's help againts some deadly virus, and Azzarello has mostly written his own-verse Batman. I'd be dumb if Batman needed Joker's help if it was mainstream Batman with JLA at his back. ^^

 

[obin_gam]

Good morning mates! had to skip off to bed, workday today and all....

GyLocke is saying the same thing as I was gonna say, hehe, he's just using much better semantics than me thanks dude!

Now, to topic;

I love my crazy Batman psychedelic insane stories,! I love Morrsion and what hes been doing (save for the Final Crisis-mumbo jumbo), I think Batman TBatB is an awesome cartoon (much much better than previous one.) Hell, I rank the Batman movie from -66 as the third best one out there! And I wouldn't trade that Batman for the world. Same with the Punisher, Franken-castle was really well made and a really interesting idea to make The Punisher-mythos take advantage of what it could in the 616.

I also love more down to earth stories about vigilantes. Bendis' new book "Scarlet" comes to mind. And ofc Punisher Max. I dont know about the inner workings and behind the scenes of the Max-universe, but I never read Ennis' Punisher book as a part of a greater universe. In there, The Punisher was all by himself, imho.

What a Vertigo book for Batman would do is not having him being forced to acknowledge greater events. I think that is my real problem - events. And cosmic ones. Like, you know... murdering of super gods or whatever they are called... If this happens in the DCU, the Batman books must acknowledge it somehow no matter how unfitting it is for a hero that is a no-superpower-just-brains-kind-of-hero, and to make him take part in otherworldy shenanigans is kind of unfair. He is bound by the fact that he lives and breeds in the DCU to take part in such things. Again, What a Vertigo book would do is not let a city thats much much more grounded than seemingly every other city in the world, and let that city grow by itself inside a bubble of confienment safe from über-gods and time-travel.

tl;dr - 1) I love my crazy Batman psychedelic insane stories,I also love more down to earth stories about vigilantes.
2) In Vertigo, Batman doesnt have to acknowledge greater and fantastical events.

 

[Frankenmation]

What a Vertigo book for Batman would do is not having him being forced to acknowledge greater events. I think that is my real problem - events. And cosmic ones. Like, you know... murdering of super gods or whatever they are called... If this happens in the DCU, the Batman books must acknowledge it somehow no matter how unfitting it is for a hero that is a no-superpower-just-brains-kind-of-hero, and to make him take part in otherworldy shenanigans is kind of unfair. He is bound by the fact that he lives and breeds in the DCU to take part in such things. Again, What a Vertigo book would do is not let a city thats much much more grounded than seemingly every other city in the world, and let that city grow by itself inside a bubble of confienment safe from über-gods and time-travel.

Here's my rebuttal: who gives a flying ****?

EDIT: I mean, really, I've never understood this, why is it so important to fans that Batman needs to be separate from the rest of the DCU? What's the big deal if time travel and gods and aliens and other fantastical stuff are mentioned in Batman's world? I'm sorry if I come across as a jerk but this just seems to be more of the usual "Batman is a grounded character and it makes no sense to have fantasy elements waaah" rubbish that I've heard a million effing times before. If there's anything that Batman seems to be "bound" by, it's this insane need to place a million restrictions on him like "Batman must be grounded". "Batman must be dark" "Batman can't kill" "Batman must always be whining about his dead parents" "Batman must always fight gangsters and serial killers" crap.

Putting fantastical stuff in Batman's world means that you get more story opportunities but I guess Batfans just want the same story over and over again so I guess it makes sense.

 

[GyLocke]

Here's my rebuttal: who gives a flying ****?

EDIT: I mean, really, I've never understood this, why is it so important to fans that Batman needs to be separate from the rest of the DCU? What's the big deal if time travel and gods and aliens and other fantastical stuff are mentioned in Batman's world? I'm sorry if I come across as a jerk but this just seems to be more of the usual "Batman is a grounded character and it makes no sense to have fantasy elements waaah" rubbish that I've heard a million effing times before.

I tried to elaborate on "why" in a somber manner, but obviously you don't really care.

Why the **** am I arguing on the Internet?

I should just stick to whining and whining about other fans whining

 

[Drz]

But honestly who cares when there re grounded Batman books? Streets of Gotham and Detective Comics are all you guys ever need if you don't wanna read Batman with time travel, gods and so on. Dark Knight: Boy Wonder starts in February 2011, you got Batman: Europa in January 2011 and then you got the Bermejo Lee OGN Batman coming and so much more. It just seems complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[Frankenmation]

I should just stick to whining and whining about other fans whining

No better place to do it than SHH!

 

[obin_gam]

It just seems complaining for the sake of complaining.

... the only ones I see complaining around here is you guys

I didnt make this thread to complain, because I really have nothing to complain about. A thought occured about "what if batman were at vertigo, how would it look" and then it evolved to "wait a minute he fits right in there ffs!" and so then I wanted to hear SHHs opinion about it.

 

[Frankenmation]

If I and others here are complaining it's because your original post was basically more or less a variation on the usual "fantastical stuff doesn't fit in Batman's world" or "we need 'mature' Batman stories" stuff that's been said a million times, and I can't speak for others but I'm kinda tired of hearing it.

But to answer your original question, I think Batman at Vertigo wouldn't really be that much different than the one in the comics right now, except for the amount of swearing would be bigger. As Manic said before if the main Batman was like the one in Brave and the Bold it would be a different story.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If I and others here are complaining it's because your original post was basically more or less a variation on the usual "fantastical stuff doesn't fit in Batman's world" or "we need 'mature' Batman stories" stuff that's been said a million times, and I can't speak for others but I'm kinda tired of hearing it.

But to answer your original question, I think Batman at Vertigo wouldn't really be that much different than the one in the comics right now, except for the amount of swearing would be bigger. As Manic said before if the main Batman was like the one in Brave and the Bold it would be a different story.

This, that and the statement of Vertigo being Batman's "real" home when he has no place there to begin with. Vertigo works best with no DC specific characters to begin with. I don't want to see Vertigo diluted like Marvel's MAX line has become.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ummmm....yes you can argue about whether or not Grant Morrison is taking Batman out of his comfort zone. Throughout his history, Batman has done some wacky ****, way before Grant Morrison took over the direction of the character. The character has ranged from the absurd such as Adam West dancing the Batusi in ABC's Batman all the way to Christian Bale flat out incapacitating his foes in Christopher Nolan's the Dark Knight.

Honestly, I would say that you can't argue that Morrison is not doing anything new with the character. Between giving Batman a son in Batman, making Dick Grayson Batman in Batman & Robin, and now franchising Batman in Batman, Incorporated, Morrison is taking the character in a fresh new direction. Which has been needed IMO. I don't want Batman to be the same ol', same ol'. He needs to progress as a character, just like every character out there.

As a matter in fact, I like Morrison's take on Batman than the far more thuggish and crude Batman that popped up around Identity Crisis/Infinite Crisis.

I second this soooo much!!!


Also, for anyone who doenst like crossovers, there's always detective comics, confidential and so many other titles about street level batman who flies solo.

 

[doih]

Schumacher

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This, that and the statement of Vertigo being Batman's "real" home when he has no place there to begin with. Vertigo works best with no DC specific characters to begin with. I don't want to see Vertigo diluted like Marvel's MAX line has become.

Eh, MAX is s***ty because it's effectively just an excuse for creators to go bonkers with the cursing and smut. Plenty of great stories have come from interaction between the DC and Vertigo lines, most recently with the Martian Manhunter helping Madame Xanadu out in her current (wonderful) Vertigo series. I've always felt that Vertigo and DC should open themselves up to more coordination for those writers who want to have a few characters jump back and forth.

That said, I don't think Batman needs to exclusively be a Vertigo character. A Vertigo Batman series might be interesting, but I don't even think that's really necessary unless, as with the MAX line, creators just want to have Batman cussin' up a storm and investigating very graphic mysteries about strippers or something.

 

[The Batman]

... the only ones I see complaining around here is you guys

I didnt make this thread to complain, because I really have nothing to complain about. A thought occured about "what if batman were at vertigo, how would it look" and then it evolved to "wait a minute he fits right in there ffs!" and so then I wanted to hear SHHs opinion about it.

Your topic is "Batman: A vertigo character at heart." You say in the poll options that vertigo is his "Real Home". You talk disparingly about the DCU in your first post....and now that people have grilled your ass on it, you suddenly like every version and "just" want a vertigo batman.

At least have enough conviction to stick by your original, and true, opinion.

 

[obin_gam]

At least have enough conviction to stick by your original, and true, opinion.

cuz you either has to be one one side or the other, cant be both now can you

good stories are good stories are good stories. thats one thing. i just think there could be even more awesome stories of Batman if he got to be by himself.

and regards to the op, its in the michael moore school, you know; Exaggerate to make a point.

 

[Frankenmation]

good stories are good stories are good stories. thats one thing. i just think there could be even more awesome stories of Batman if he got to be by himself.
.

...last time I checked, there were plenty of Batman stories out there where he was by himself, but don't worry, I have a solution to your problem: whenever you're reading a Batman comic and suddenly, another DC character or anything cosmic appears, simply take the page and rip it out, and PRESTO! He's by himself. Apply vigorously.

 

[CConn]

cuz you either has to be one one side or the other, cant be both now can you

good stories are good stories are good stories. thats one thing. i just think there could be even more awesome stories of Batman if he got to be by himself.

and regards to the op, its in the michael moore school, you know; Exaggerate to make a point.

But Michael Moore is a jackass. Not a good person to emulate.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

good stories are good stories are good stories. thats one thing. i just think there could be even more awesome stories of Batman if he got to be by himself.

What kind of crazy backwards logic is this? Seriously, my mind can't fathom just how little sense this post makes. This post is the equivelant of keeping the egg shells and throwing out the egg, and then clubbing a baby harp seal because the colour blue ate your children from the past future. No, scratch that, what I just wrote makes FAR more sense.

Basically, you're saying that that there would be more awesome stories if we were to restrict the diversity of them? That by culling down the different types of stories that people want to see that involves Batman to a strict definition YOU personally, in your own opinion, find better would be a good business plan? That anyone that loves seeing Batman team up with Superman, fight martians with the Justice League and help out Wonder Woman should just accept that Batman by himself is the only way to make a good story with him?

I respectfully disagree.

 

[yenaled]

Sandman Mystery Theatre is the only pulp detective that Vertigo ever needs.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Expressing my disagreement with OP by posting awesome pics.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Funny who times have changed. If you did this poll 5 - 10 years ago you would've gotten at least 40% of all votes for your Vertigo approach.

 

[yenaled]

Not true.

 

[Hush]

Clearly he is an Archie Comics character. Doofus.

 

[The Batman]

cuz you either has to be one one side or the other, cant be both now can you


and regards to the op, its in the michael moore school, you know; Exaggerate to make a point.

its not that you cant have both, its that at this point you're clearly backpeddling, and now you're throwing dumb ass logic in to justify your initial posts. Never, in my near decade of posting on these boards, have I seen someone exaggerate their posts ON PURPOSE, in the manner that you have. When its done, its plainfully obvious that person is being witty/sarcastic. Here you just sound like the typical insular fanboy.

I have, however, seen many a time when someone says something stupid, then tries to sound more intelligent after people have ripped them a new one.

Much like this thread.