Just a thought. I heard that schumaker always wanted to do a film version of year one, and that he would rather have his own franchise instead of continuing burton's. I also know that schumaker directed a time to kill and phantom of the opera, both of which I have heard are very good movies. I was wondering if batman and robin was schumaker's way of giving the middle finger to the WB. They didn't let him do the movie he wanted, and they wanted him to try to sell toys with the movie, so instead he just went ahead and made a totally rediculous movie, knowing that he would probably still make a lot of money and ruin the franchise at the same time. Schumaker claims to be a bat-fan. Knowing that he made a time to kill and phantom of the opea, it seems clear to me that he is totally capable of making good movies. Maybe just made this (and to a lesser extent) the way it was because he was pissed about not being able to do what he wanted. This is probably not true, its just something I was thinking. I was just surprised to see that the same person who made batman and robin made a time to kill and phantom of the opera. It doesn't seem like the same person.